George Taylor wrote: ↑
Thu May 02, 2019 7:05 pm
Hey, Mein Kampf, I’ll take the same liberties as you and post whatever I want, and participate as I see fit.
The language was there before and now it’s not.
My comment was aimed more at the poster responding to your post with an emphatic "that should be a NO vote!" (with five exclamation points and a bunch of finger emojis). Lay Offs and status are an important issue and getting a full understanding of the situation is important. I'll be the first to admit that the wording isn't very clear. Nonetheless, calling someone "my fight" and somewhat alluding to being a nazi for suggesting that folks read through their contract and get clarification on items they are not certain about is not really appropriate. I would also suggest it's not historically accurate either - the nazi's historical legacy isn't for making rational informed decisions...
Hopefully someone can post this clarification on the WJ ALPA forum. As an Encore pilot I do not have access to it. Because the mainline CA covers both Swoop and mainline whereas the Encore TA covers only Encore things are quite confusing.
In the mainline CA, Section 1-1 deals with Scope.
Section 1-1.03 provides a max amount of regional aircraft at "WestJet Encore and/or through a CPA or similar arrangement"
Section 1-1.04 provides that Swoop can operate up to 30 NB aircraft (without additional mainline capacity)
Section 1-1.05 is the important one where (a) there will be 90% of active WJ pilot positions and (b) No pilot shall be laid off as a direct result of a number of different commercial agreements.
While the Encore TA does have some similar language in section 2-4.01, it is less robust. There is no numbers of aircraft scope and there are significantly less types of commercial relationships specified that the company cannot use to affect lay-offs.
So, while hopefully no one at any of WJ/Swoop/Encore will have to deal with lay-offs, it would generally be much easier for the company to start with lay-offs at Encore than at mainline or Swoop.
BUT, if we have one-list for both flow AND lay-offs, there could potentially be Encore pilots more senior than either Mainline or Swoop pilots as there is right now. If we went straight to one list for example, there are a significant number of Encore pilots senior to the most junior Swoop pilots and even a few of the most junior mainline pilots. However, right now only senior Encore pilots hold a bid onto a mainline position, but really junior pilots can hold a bid into Swoop positions as most senior pilots, in support of Mainline pilots, haven't bid into Swoop.
If we had one list for lay offs too, the junior Swoop and mainline pilots (part of the same bargaining unit) would be susceptible to being bumped by senior Encore pilots.
Moving on now to the One List LOA document. It does say that WJ/Swoop pilots being laid off get to bid on open Encore positions but Encore pilots don't get to bid on open Swoop/WJ positions in sections 8.01 and 9.01. Although many mainline folks are reading this provision as "I don't get to bump Encore pilots if I'm laid off" the real way to read it is "Senior Encore pilots can't bump junior Swoop/WJ pilots if THEY get laid off".
Things ARE messy no doubt. 3 companies, 2 unions. But please let's read through all the documents and discuss things.