complexintentions wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:04 am
Oh, and guys, you don't need to tell every Shannon and London controller you're CPDLC every time you check in, they know.
Thank you! This one's a personal pet peeve.
The only people that you need to say "CPDLC" to are non-radar guys (i.e. oceanic. Shanwick, Gander Radio etc)
If they have you on radar, they already know.
Rant over! That felt good
altiplano wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:10 pmI'm not saying it that way, it makes less sense than just a clear readback.
Reading it back the way you're supposed to IS the clearest way. No one really cares what you think about who's the "master of the English language" or what you "believe is superfluous" or other such irrelevant nonsense.
The redundancy is by design, to mitigate the increased risk of such a conditional clearance, hence the last word is repeated as the most important one - "BEHIND".
But hey, you be you.
Just another North American pilot everyone rolls their eyes at on the radio.
Oh, and guys, you don't need to tell every Shannon and London controller you're CPDLC every time you check in, they know.
You think we don't roll eyes at some Europeans? Especially when they have engine fires on take off on the West coast and still elect to continue to the UK. Actually, we don't roll our eyes, we usually just say WTF!!!!!!?
ahramin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:49 pm
That's funny Tango Niner since there is no requirement to tell Gander or Shanwick radio that you are CPDLC since they already know.
CPDLC isn't something that shows up on radar, it's something included in your flight plan.
Even less to say! Excellent! Thanks for the info Ahramin.
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complexintentions wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:04 am
Oh, and guys, you don't need to tell every Shannon and London controller you're CPDLC every time you check in, they know.
I hear more Europeans and Asians say this than North Americans.
Legacy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:32 am
You think we don't roll eyes at some Europeans? Especially when they have engine fires on take off on the West coast and still elect to continue to the UK. Actually, we don't roll our eyes, we usually just say WTF!!!!!!?
There are no restrictions on 3 Engine flight with a 4 Engine aircraft - it's different than a twin. There is no requirement to land at the nearest suitable airport.
One variant of the Type I fly will actually fly further on 3 Engines. If you're not too heavy the aircraft will even maintain current altitude and speed.
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ahramin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:49 pm
That's funny Tango Niner since there is no requirement to tell Gander or Shanwick radio that you are CPDLC since they already know.
CPDLC isn't something that shows up on radar, it's something included in your flight plan.
Yet 2 days ago... Shanwick came back with Confirm CPDLC ? So l will go back to bug others and just keep telling Shanwick and Gander Oceanic on initial contact that I'm CPDLC.
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Legacy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:32 am
You think we don't roll eyes at some Europeans? Especially when they have engine fires on take off on the West coast and still elect to continue to the UK. Actually, we don't roll our eyes, we usually just say WTF!!!!!!?
There are no restrictions on 3 Engine flight with a 4 Engine aircraft - it's different than a twin. There is no requirement to land at the nearest suitable airport.
One variant of the Type I fly will actually fly further on 3 Engines. If you're not too heavy the aircraft will even maintain current altitude and speed.
IIRC, the calculations and restrictions are based on a one-engine out scenario. With a twin, you're losing half of your thrust, whereas with a quad, you're only losing a quarter.
ahramin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:49 pm
That's funny Tango Niner since there is no requirement to tell Gander or Shanwick radio that you are CPDLC since they already know.
CPDLC isn't something that shows up on radar, it's something included in your flight plan.
Yet 2 days ago... Shanwick came back with Confirm CPDLC ? So l will go back to bug others and just keep telling Shanwick and Gander Oceanic on initial contact that I'm CPDLC.
With you there Benwa. The first time I *didn't* say CPDLC to an oceanic guy, he wanted confirmation of same.
