skyhighh wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:34 am
I love when mainline pilots talk about the entitlement of Encore pilots. When they got hired they were told by company, their mainline peers, etc... That there was a one list and that after a few years they will flow to mainline with their seniority attached to it. Back then it was the only way to get to mainline as WJ wasn't hiring. So, pilots did it because WJ was where they wanted to be. (Not everyone wants to go to Air Canada).
Since then, flow has stopped multiple times (adding many years at Encore) and their peers at mainline took away the one list because they either can't read or didn't care enough to vote (Not counting the OTS voting no for personal agenda).
Now there is a PTA vote that brings more cash to the mainline pilots, fix the language of the old LOU and provide
exactly everything that was "missing" in the old LOU. And what do people say? "Not enough, company is doing something shady, lets vote NO, that will teach them a lesson".
The new PTA gives mainline pilots everything they wanted on the last vote and still, it is not enough! Mainline pilots want to leverage the company, not with their career... but the career of their peers because they think they deserve better. Who is entitled now? Any mainline pilot saying they want to vote NO to help the Encore pilot group is full of cow poop. The Encore pilots are and have been clear on what they want... Which is what they were promised upon hiring by management AND WJ pilots. If the WJ MEC of NC can't negotiate without the leverage of the One List... well maybe these guys should be replaced or the WJ pilots should show more unity towards their MEC/LEC.
As for experience at WJ... this one grinds my gears... Most captain at Encore has 5.000+ hours, extensive 705 experience, flew for many years WJ colors, WJ SOP, WJ passengers... shared all benefits with mainline (How many of the WJ pilots got GREAT profit share, enjoyed a rise of share price at 20% paycheck matched at 100%), while Encore got peanuts... But to the eyes of some WJ pilots they are inexperienced entitled 20 years old... You guys are hiring 2000h pilots.... ANY pilot flowing to mainline from Encore has double that, double the experience and know more about WJ than any OTS. And still you'd rather help the new kid on the block instead of the ones who fought for you, with you and feed your planes. What kind of mentality is that?
And yes Encore will soon be hiring 250h pilots... but by the time they flow to mainline they will have more hours and more experience than any OTS you're hiring now.
Now about SWOOP... Everyone bitch about Swoop and the working conditions there. If the PTA get voted down... what do you think will happen to Encore pilots? Well... they will have no choice but go to Swoop because there is no way the flow reopen to mainline any time soon because of the lack of Captains, the incoming fatigue rules and future duty rigs. By voting NO to the PTA you will shoot yourself in the foot big time...
So to the Cloak, FlyYYC, Impact, etc... stop your uneducated propaganda, stop calling the Encore pilots entitled inexperienced kids and look at yourself in the mirror because the only entitled ones destroying this industry, moral and unity is you. It's not because your plane is slightly bigger than a Q400 that you are better than them. You ONLY fly a 737, I'm sorry but you're not that special. It's an entry level airplane in most countries.
Anyway... No hard feelings, just sad to see how Encore is being treated but I guess it's the industry, always trying to eat their young. The reason why Canadian working conditions are so shitty, airlines know that pilots will turn on each-others for
I said in my post that the pilots already on the list prior to the vote should stay on the list. Not sure how I am spreading uneducated propaganda but sure...