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palebird wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:25 pm
Wow, how did Trudeau kill the economy? Well he killed it, knocked it on it's head, kicked it in the balls, whatever euphemism you like. Don't believe I said he had anything to do with the rest of the world but suit yourself. You do not put a full stop on everything and actually believe things will just pop back to normal once everyone comes to their senses and crawls back to work. Yes I have been through all the mentioned crisis before this, all the oil shocks. Nobody, at any time, said everybody stay home. We simply got on with it. Some people took big hits. So it goes. But, apparently, we are "woke" these days and we will wait out whatever it is at home. What a farce. How pitiful this country has become. Good luck everybody. Oh , and seeing as how it seems to have turned into an oil thread, oil will be back with a vengeance. But Canada will not be participating. See above.
I hope the efforts of our leaders are effective.

You need to study:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth
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palebird wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:25 pm
Yes I have been through all the mentioned crisis before this, all the oil shocks. Nobody, at any time, said everybody stay home. We simply got on with it. Some people took big hits. So it goes. But, apparently, we are "woke" these days and we will wait out whatever it is at home. What a farce.
Any chance that’s because oil shocks and pandemics require different responses? Hard to get on with it if you or your loved ones are in the ICU or dead.
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dialdriver wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:45 pm
I hope the efforts of our leaders are effective.

You need to study:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth
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Here is an excellent explanation of exponential growth as it pertains to virus’s like COVID-19:

https://youtu.be/Kas0tIxDvrg
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palebird wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:25 pm
Wow, how did Trudeau kill the economy? Well he killed it, knocked it on it's head, kicked it in the balls, whatever euphemism you like. Don't believe I said he had anything to do with the rest of the world but suit yourself. You do not put a full stop on everything and actually believe things will just pop back to normal once everyone comes to their senses and crawls back to work. Yes I have been through all the mentioned crisis before this, all the oil shocks. Nobody, at any time, said everybody stay home. We simply got on with it. Some people took big hits. So it goes. But, apparently, we are "woke" these days and we will wait out whatever it is at home. What a farce. How pitiful this country has become. Good luck everybody. Oh , and seeing as how it seems to have turned into an oil thread, oil will be back with a vengeance. But Canada will not be participating. See above.
I agree. Everything isn’t going back to normal if this lasts for more than a quarter. On the other hand. The Spanish flu was 1918. Spread by everyone coming home from war.

According to Wikipedia.

The Spanish flu, also known as the 1918 flu pandemic,[1] was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic. Lasting from January 1918 through December 1920, it infected 500 million people—about a quarter of the world's population.[2] The death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million[3] to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest epidemics in human history.

Governments didn’t respond to early sighs of the virus because.

To maintain morale, World War I censors minimized early reports of illness and mortality in Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States.[6] Papers were free to report the epidemic's effects in neutral Spain, such as the grave illness of King Alfonso XIII, and these stories created a false impression of Spain as especially hard hit.[7] This gave rise to the pandemic's nickname, "Spanish flu".[8][9] Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify with certainty the pandemic's geographic origin.[2

BUT


The roaring 20’s followed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Twenties

We will recover. It just won’t look the same after.


Mexico is taking your position.

https://time.com/5807102/mexico-coronav ... trictions/

We will see how it works for them. There are almost no cases in Mexico. On the other hand hardly any testing.

The reason for no action? Mexico believes they can’t afford to stop tourism as it is a huge part of the economy.

We may watch a humanitarian disaster as their tourism industry dries up anyway. Chaos ensues.

Hopefully not. For their sake I hope your right.

But this is exactly what would happen in Canada if we did nothing. Everything would be normal for another couple of weeks to a month. Then all hell would break loose and planes would be empty anyway. People would be stranded all over the world. Hospitals would get over run and people would die needlessly. Business would go broke.

As much as I am worried as well. An organized shutdown is far superior to Chaos if the shutdown is going to happen anyway.
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with Swoop suspending all international and transborder flights, are swoop pilots laid off?
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Swoop pilots got a reduced block of 53 hours on an MOA for April. (To be clear, I'm not a Swoop pilot. Just saw the MOA).
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tbayav8er wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:56 am
Swoop pilots got a reduced block of 53 hours on an MOA for April. (To be clear, I'm not a Swoop pilot. Just saw the MOA).
what about those in training?
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CanadianPilotQc wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:35 am
tbayav8er wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:56 am
Swoop pilots got a reduced block of 53 hours on an MOA for April. (To be clear, I'm not a Swoop pilot. Just saw the MOA).
what about those in training?
At Encore, the current trainees I believe are going home and getting paid the MMG for now. Training is suspended at the moment, as far as I know. Not sure about Swoop.
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tbayav8er wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:03 am
CanadianPilotQc wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:35 am
tbayav8er wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:56 am
Swoop pilots got a reduced block of 53 hours on an MOA for April. (To be clear, I'm not a Swoop pilot. Just saw the MOA).
what about those in training?
At Encore, the current trainees I believe are going home and getting paid the MMG for now. Training is suspended at the moment, as far as I know. Not sure about Swoop.
It's an interesting time... the trainees are going to be making money while there are others who are applying for EI.
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Spanish Flu, was named as such due to propaganda efforts during the First World War. H1N1 (also known as the Spanish Flu) was ravaging all sides during the finale of the war; but it was seen as being detrimental to morale to talk about the scourge of the disease whilst the boys were slogging it out. So, the focus was changed - and being that the Spanish King had a nasty case of the flu; Spanish Flu was born.

We actually don't know where the bloody thing originated, lots of theories though...
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The virus, SARS-Cov2 is a member of the coronavirus family of viruses, and causes the disease, COVID-19. There are currently 2 strains of the virus as it mutated early on during communal spread in Wuhan.

Italian politicians had a lukewarm, half committed response to the pandemic early on. 630 people died yesterday. 800 people died today. Italy has already surpassed China in total deaths. I predict they will pass them in total cases by the end of March, sadly. This is what half measures, and exponential growth look like.

I'm proud to live in a country where we listen to scientists and take preventative measures to try to avoid ending up in Italy's shoes. I don't give a sh** what the person running our country's name is, as long as it isn't Trump and they prevent exponential growth and succeed in flattening the curve. They're outsourcing disposing of bodies in Italy because they're piling up too fast and they don't have the resources to burn them (forget funerals, this is prime communal spreading grounds).

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid that New York city may be heading in that direction.

No, it's not just a flu. No, it's not only dangerous for old people. No, we shouldn't panic, but we should be strategic and realistic. The reality is that if every country banned travel and forced quarantines on every citizen for 2 weeks, and 100 percent of citizens obeyed the quarantine perfectly, this would be over.

Life will go on. The economy will recover, and eventually airlines will recover too. This will likely occur in waves of spread/incidence, and during the lulls perhaps airlines that survive can have a small return to significant revenue. But to regard this as anything other than a once/century pandemic is naive, and dangerous.

Flame away. Just wash your damn hands and keep your distance from people.
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RippleRock wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:46 pm
In this era we are all very, very quick to de-identify, de-gender-ify, and de-culture-ify so as not to offend anyone or any group, even if that behavior results in millions of deaths over time. That's political correctness gone amok.

Problem is, especially in this instance, the reason the outbreak occurred in the first place gets lost in "political and racial correctness" even when it is in humanities very best interest to identify how it spawned in the first place, and take measures to ensure it doesn't keep happening. Culture be damned.

Flame away.
I couldn't care less what it's called, or who it offends. I read some very uninformed, dangerous and stupid comments on here and wanted to offer some reality and facts (and yes, my opinion in some cases, which I tried to clearly distinguish).

And I totally agree that there should be mountains moved in order to prevent this from happening again, however uncomfortable the answers are. But now isn't the time. Now is about minimizing the death toll, and minimizing how long this thing wreaks havoc on the world for.

Step 1 is for all of us to accept reality.
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Right….lets do damage control for now. But when its over, and people have visions of empty streets, empty grocery shelves, loved ones on ventilators, empty bank accounts and poor job prospects lets then look carefully at the cause so it doesn't happen again.

Remember AIDS, or SARS? Same cause.

You think we would have learned. Bush meat, live animal markets, and the cultures that drive them. Refusing to acknowledge it will destroy us if we don't get it. We've been warned THREE times now.
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RippleRock wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:41 pm
Right….lets do damage control for now. But when its over, and people have visions of empty streets, empty grocery shelves, loved ones on ventilators, empty bank accounts and poor job prospects lets then look carefully at the cause so it doesn't happen again.

Remember AIDS, or SARS? Same cause.

You think we would have learned. Bush meat, live animal markets, and the cultures that drive them. Refusing to acknowledge it will destroy us if we don't get it. We've been warned THREE times now.
I'm with you there brother.
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Just as terrifying as the “bush meat” in China is the level of antibiotics pumped into the animals in North America. We are going to have our own disease issues from all the antibiotics resistant superbugs that are evolving as a result.

Before anyone gets on me for it I know that covid 19 is a virus and not a bacterial infection so antibiotics aren’t for it.
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Is it still just a hiring freeze at WestJet or have pilot layoffs begun?
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Dry Guy wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:52 am
Is it still just a hiring freeze at WestJet or have pilot layoffs begun?
No layoffs for now. MOA until April 30th, reduced hours 55 MMG at mainline and 53 hrs at Swoop.....reduces costs and gives time to assess and plan.
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Very pleased to see the company communicating with the employee group with daily updates/briefings and webinars. Hang in there folks! The next little while will get rough but once we hit the bottom the only direction is up.
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sjatana wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:58 pm
Very pleased to see the company communicating with the employee group with daily updates/briefings and webinars. Hang in there folks! The next little while will get rough but once we hit the bottom the only direction is up.
Unless the bottom is bankruptcy or the chop shop.
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Curiousflyer wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:15 am
sjatana wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:58 pm
Very pleased to see the company communicating with the employee group with daily updates/briefings and webinars. Hang in there folks! The next little while will get rough but once we hit the bottom the only direction is up.
Unless the bottom is bankruptcy or the chop shop.
Funny enough, I'm at the bottom.
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Hard to say, is westjet alpa facing layoffs?
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JoeyBarton wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:07 pm
Hard to say, is westjet alpa facing layoffs?
Yes. Significant ones. We should know more this week. ALPA and the company are meeting to figure out numbers and possible mitigation, etc.
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JoeyBarton wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:07 pm
Hard to say, is westjet alpa facing layoffs?
530-1700
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Blue42 wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:06 pm
JoeyBarton wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:07 pm
Hard to say, is westjet alpa facing layoffs?
530-1700
That’s a pretty big split, what is the deciding factor for the lower versus upper range?
How many pilots total at WJ, including Encore and Swoop?
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2300 total

1700 is doing nothing and leaving 77.5 mmg 530 is extreme measures which we have not seen.
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