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Air Canada goes after Westjet CEO
Unproven allegations say Beddoe knew about 'espionage'

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Saturday, July 03, 2004

Air Canada has accused Clive Beddoe, the brash chief executive of bitter arch-rival WestJet Airlines Ltd., of being deeply involved in a corporate espionage conspiracy that has landed both carriers in a nasty court battle.

Yesterday was the first time Air Canada pointed the finger directly at Mr. Beddoe, considered one of Canada's star CEOs, and comes three months after it launched a lawsuit against the Calgary carrier and two of its employees, including a co-founder. The lawsuit alleges WestJet unlawfully accessed an internal Air Canada Web site that contained confidential information about its business.

The allegation against Mr. Beddoe is contained in a legal brief filed yesterday with the Ontario Superior Court of Justice. It has not been proven in a court, and WestJet's lawyers plan to file a formal response on Tuesday.

Siobhan Vinish, a WestJet spokeswoman, said the company has "complete confidence in the judicial system and we know when this case is put before the judge the strength of the facts will prevail."

Air Canada's legal brief, prepared by Earl Cherniak, one of Canada's top litigators, says the lawsuit "involves corporate espionage on a massive scale.

"WestJet has not denied using [Air Canada's] confidential information but has refused to disclose the extent and detail of such use. ... Based on the evidence that has been adduced and [WestJet's] lack of disclosure, this court should infer that the misuse and dissemination of the confidential information was extensive and included all the senior management of WestJet, including the CEO, Beddoe."

Previously, the only senior WestJet executive targeted in the lawsuit was Mark Hill, a Beddoe confidant and vice-president of strategic planning. But evidence filed this week revealed at least two other senior WestJet vice-presidents knew of the Web site access. One of the executives assigned a member of WestJet's high-tech department to build software that would allow WestJet to automatically penetrate the Air Canada site and gather key information, namely Air Canada's load factors -- the number of seats filled on its flights.

Air Canada's allegations against WestJet suggest its competitor tapped the internal Web site for 240,000 transactions between May, 2003, and last March, using a password belonging to Jeffrey Lafond, a WestJet financial analyst now on paid leave. Mr. Lafond is also named in Air Canada's lawsuit.

Mr. Lafond had Web site access as part of a severance package he received when his former employer, Canadian Airlines, merged with Air Canada in 2000. With Web site access, he was allowed to book two free trips a year on Air Canada for five years.

WestJet is alleged to have used this information to challenge Air Canada on its most profitable routes by adjusting its schedule based on data unlawfully obtained.

Montreal-based Air Canada has lost market share in recent years to WestJet and was forced to file for bankruptcy protection more than a year ago under the weight of $13-billion in debt.

In its statement of defence, WestJet argues the so-called confidential information it is alleged to have acquired unlawfully is available to the public through various Web sites.

Moreover, WestJet lawyers say the airline never used any information from the Air Canada Web site. Any lost sales and profit Air Canada allegedly suffered, WestJet says, was due to its own "mismanagement of its business, its decision to persist in selling seats on flights for less than cost, its high-cost structure and the poor treatment of its customers."

WestJet said it will pursue a countersuit against Air Canada, largely based on its rival's "unlawful seizure" of garbage bins from Mr. Hill's Victoria-area home. Air Canada hired private investigators to take Mr. Hill's trash, and sent shredded paper to a Houston company to be digitally reconstructed.

In its legal brief, Air Canada alleges Mr. Hill attempted to get rid of shredded copies of computer-generated reports based on Web site data after he was tipped off by an Air Canada employee. (That employee was later hired as WestJet's head of marketing.)

Air Canada learned of Mr. Hill's access last December after receiving a phone call from an anonymous WestJet employee.

Air Canada's lawsuit comes as the airline is in the final stages of its bankruptcy reorganization and WestJet is in the initial stages of a major expansion into eastern Canada. When the suit was filed and the allegations became public, Mr. Beddoe offered his resignation to WestJet's board of directors. The board rejected the gesture.

Mr. Beddoe was a Calgary-based real estate developer and amateur pilot who, in the early 1990s, decided to build a discount passenger airline modelled after the highly successful and profitable U.S. carrier Southwest Airlines.

WestJet, launched Feb. 29, 1996, managed to connect with customers by offering competitive prices and cheery customer service. And the British-born, plain-talking Mr. Beddoe struck a chord with investors, who lapped up stock when the company went public in 1999 on the Toronto Stock Exchange.

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Looks like the stock is on it's way down again :( ... time to buy I guess!


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Fortunately you are in a position that you can make your own financial decision to buy stock in WJ. The employees of WJ have very limited options in this regard so that employee group have my sympathies. Before this is all over a lot of innocent investors/employee’s are going to get burned. Unfortunately the perpetrators who have already made millions will lose a bit but will still have tens of millions left to buy their favourite toys. Think Enron..


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Rebel wrote:
Unfortunately the perpetrators who have already made millions will lose a bit but will still have tens of millions left to buy their favourite toys.


isn't that the way it always goes?


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This soap opera is as bad as the Liberal's making Canadians fear the PC's prior to the election with their absurd TV ad campaign.

AC seems to be using the same fear mongering hoping to boost their rep by the time they come out from under the umbrella.


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No one forced or coerced WJ management into committing commercial espionage. The facts indicate that WJ management knew full well the consequences if they got caught. Their own arrogance into thinking that they are above the law is what the people of Canada are afraid of.


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Ah what a tangled web we weave when at first we practice to decieve...

Somebody high up might be in serious trouble if what they did what is alleged and it is found illegal or criminal. Read the link on Bill C-45 and you'll see what I mean.

http://www.canada.justice.gc.ca/en/dept ... index.html


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Rebel wrote:
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No one forced or coerced WJ management into committing commercial espionage.


Did you also believe that the PC's under Harper were going to buy aircraft carriers for the Navy? ;)

I'll believe the allegations when they have been proven by a court and only then. It seems many already believe the unproven allegations by AC even the day they read them in a newspaper.


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Schlem

Where have you been? WJ has already admitted under oath in court that they hacked a confidential AC site using a computer program specially ordered and designed for that task by WJ management.

The question to be decided by the courts, did WJ use the illegally acquired information to further their own commercial interests and if they did, how much commercial damage did they do to AC.

There very well may be an criminal investigation arising out of that court ruling.

In any case there will be a changing of the guard at WJ...


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Sorry Schlem, Rebel is correct. WJ has already admitted they accessed AC's computer system and how they did it. All they are trying to do is claim the data they stole was publicly available and that they didn't use it anyway, therefore, their actions inconsequential.

As Jim Lahey might say, "they've got themselves into one hell of a digital shit hole and they're gonna need shit wings to get themselves out of it."


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Well, in any case, I feel bad for any consequences WestJet employees may have to bear at the end of all of this. It is normally the foot soldiers who pay the price for the generals´errors.

I recall over a year ago, a political cartoon that showed Robert Milton grabbing an AC employee by his feet and shaking him to have the coins fall out of his pocket (AC was looking for wage reductions from employees). The cartoon had Milton saying, "SOMEBODY must pay for OUR mistakes!!!"


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Wilbur wrote:
Sorry Schlem, Rebel is correct. WJ has already admitted they accessed AC's computer system and how they did it. All they are trying to do is claim the data they stole was publicly available and that they didn't use it anyway, therefore, their actions inconsequential.

As Jim Lahey might say, "they've got themselves into one hell of a digital shit hole and they're gonna need shit wings to get themselves out of it."


You just said it... if it's proven the data was publicly available then it wasn't stolen and there is no fault. If AC is dumb enough to have that valuable of information on a website that is publicly available then they deserve what they get. As I said... nothing is proven.

Funny how AC isn't going after JetsGo for espionage since JetsGo also made huge strides in expansion during the same time frame WJ did.

Great quote! :)


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Your quote:

"Funny how AC isn't going after JetsGo for espionage since JetsGo also made huge strides in expansion during the same time frame WJ did"


JetsGo has the corporate integrity not to commit corporate espionage something that WJ appears to be sadly lacking in..


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Rebel wrote:
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JetsGo has the corporate integrity not to commit corporate espionage something that WJ appears to be sadly lacking in..


Has it been proven WJ commited corporate espoinage? I think that's what we're all waiting to find out. Did JetsGo also take advantage of a possible loophole in AC's website? Who knows.


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Bashing AC is quite alright and a good thing to do. No one complains

Saying anything negative whatsoever about WJ is wrong, uncalled for and brings hordes of defenders.

Why is that?

There's lots of crooked stuff going on at WJ. Make your peace and accept it.

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Blastor wrote:
Bashing AC is quite alright and a good thing to do. No one complains

Saying anything negative whatsoever about WJ is wrong, uncalled for and brings hordes of defenders.

Why is that?


Nothing is proven and until it is all any of us can do is speculate so why bash WJ?

Why does AC publicly state that WJ has been using illegal means to get an advantage until AC sees it proven? It's all hype and is there to make it look like their problems were caused by WJ and not by their own mismanagement.


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Well, fortunately, unlike the recent elections, the outcome will not be decided by the weight of public opinion of WestJet vs. Air Canada, but rather by the weight of the legal evidence hauled into the court, presented by the lawyers, and interpreted by the judge in correspondence in accordance with the laws of Canada (either of which, thankfully, are involved in popularity contests either).

It is an unpleasant situation for all parties involved, no doubt, and it will be interesting to see the outcome.


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Schlem,

WJ used a former AC employee's password to access a non-public employee website. They wrote a computer program that allowed them to automatically access it a quarter of million times over several month period. WJ is not disputing those facts.

They are only trying to cook up a bunch of BS claims that the data they stole could have been obtained from other websites. Do you know of any public website where you can view the passenger counts on individual AC, or any other airline's, flights? Then as a second line horse-shit defence, for when their first line of BS fails in court, they would have everyone believe they didn't really use the data they stole.

Sorry to burst your WJ bubble, but their management has F'd up big time and is now up to their necks in it. Depending on how this all unfolds, their share values are going to suffer, they may owe AC a pile of cash, and some of their senior management could face criminal charges.

You asked why AC hasn't gone after Jetsgo? Simple, Jetsgo hasn't been caught red handed breaking into their computer systems and stealing data.


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Schlem:

Just to clear the issue up for you. The AC employee travel website is NOT for public access. If it were, then any Schlem could log on and count loads and book flights. However such is not the cases. You require an employee number and password to access the site and the information. Considering that Clive and the rest of his Re/Max Realty buddies do not have AC employee numbers and passwords I do not think your public information postion holds much water. Secondly, WJ says the information they obtained was not useful. Well if you knew anything about litigation, all the the counsel has to do is prove they accessed the information illeagally, and show a correlation between the information received and the strategic departure and arrival times they set that just happen to match the the same times when AC loads are the heaviest. Did you really expect Clive to stand up in court and say Mia Cupla. They had to admit they had the info but the only lame defense they can put up is that the info was not valuable. It appears valuable enough build a software program and access the site 240000 times in 10 months. Hang on westjetters we are about to encounter some moderate to severe turbulence thanks to brillliance of your esteemed CEO of last year Clive.


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A change in leadership is in order...


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Your comments are leavein me bewildered. If you were to leave your car door unlocked, does that give me the right to break in and steal whatever I like....... I am very happy that WJ is going through this and will give back what they have taken. And too the employees, this is what you get when all your money is in stocks not soo good now is it. WJ can buy our next A340-500


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Hi folks,

If any of you did not read my post in the Westjet section, here it is again (just once for those who read it). This is going to bite them huge.

Schlem, I don't know where you get your info from, member of Big Red, that website is sacred to only AC employees. Nobody, with exception of my wife has privy to my employee and pin number. There is going to be some hand-slapping over this and like I say down below, the first to get it are the employees. Click the autopilot off Green Team, hang on, as your going to catch a wave of turbulence.

Wouldn't that be something for the history books. Clive Beddoe and all of his arrogancy, trying to get the edge on his competitor, helps his competitor emerge from bankruptcy by bailing AC out. Only in this industry can something like this happen. WJ is going to get stung huge by this and all those stock options will be kissed good bye from who first - THE JUNIOR PEOPLE. To be junior in this industry is the worst place to be. Granted, the people who initially went there will feel the pinch as much of their pension money will go to Air Canada and guess what will happen, UNION at WJ. About time!!!


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I'd thought about staying out of this one, but I just cant.

Some of the crap I'm reading here from you Big Red guys is unbelievable. All this talk about WJ execs facing criminal charges, possible jail, and turning over all profits to AC is nuts. It's not going to happen; period. Not with our court system, and not with AC's history and performance on WJ's side.

All WJ did was try to use a method that was available to them, and placed in their lap by a disgruntled AC employee (gee imagine one of those!!), to further inhance the companys value to their shareholders. WJ didn't steal money from it's shareholders, or line Execs pockets at the expense of shareholders. It just used info that it obtained, to adjust routes to compete head on with AC and let the public decide which carrier it wanted to travel on. WJ didn't sabotage AC's planes, or base operations etc; it just found out the peak times that travellers wanted to travel, and to where; then adjusted its route structure to compete head on with AC and let the public decide; period.

Even if WJ is found liable for injuries to AC to a small degree (which I personally think is doubtful that will happen); all that WJ will be required to pay is a couple of million in punitary (wrist slap, don't do that again) damages. After this WJ will be allowed to continue along it's merry way, providing superior value and service to it's customers, making a profit for it's shareholders and employees, and kicking AC's tired worn out butt across the country, as it has done for the last 8 and a half years; long before this hacking site thing ever emerged.

Remember, WJ was kicking the sh!t out of AC, long before any of this lawsuit ever emerged. WJ tried something that AC never had in the last 15 years. WJ provided excellent service for good value. They also treated employees fairly, compensated them reasonably, and gave them the opportunity to share in the fruits of their labour. In other words, if you work hard, and serve the customer well, and help the company to prosper, then you shall do well as well. What an intertesting concept eh!. That's sure as hell a concept AC and especially it's unions never grasped!

AC has been handed a dominance and near monopoly by our government, been allowed to continue predatory pricing practices, over pay employees for years while the airline was government subsidized (this means you and I paid AC employees whether we travelled AC or not, without a choice) and they still managed to mismanage themselves into a position that their corporate debt exceeds that of Alberta and Saskatchewan combined.

Based on the above, I can sure see where the courts will decide that WJ hacking their site for 10 months is the cause of all their problems, and will make them pay accordingly. Get a grip people!

As far as Unions...don't get me started. The AC and Canadian Airlines Unions have helped the employees so much that they are all now facing permanent vacations and massive pay cuts (which were a long time coming). The Unions have promoted a mentality that it doesen't matter how well you do your job, just stay under the radar long enough to get seniority, then your job is safe, you can treat the customer like sh!t, work as little as possible, and be grossly overpaid for doing it. Unfortunately, April 1, 2003 should have shown you that unions don't work. I imagine all the WJ employees are rushing to sign up based on AC and CAI unions success. Riiiggght!

Before you ask, no I don't work for WJ (although I would like to some day). Have no intention of working for AC either...based on my previous vast travels on AC, I couldn't stand to be as happy at my job as the AC employees I encountered were.

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