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If you want to read comics... well... read this!!!


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WestJet's Bad Customer Service
By Hervé St-Louis
Oct 21, 2009 - 8:46:16 AM

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Companies like Westjet built their reputation and their sales on “good customer service” and are proud to share stories about how they “helped” many customers and so on. Yet when one of their employees treats a customer badly, it’s never Westjet that did it. It’s the employee. Why does Westjet accepts and claims the credits when it makes them look good and rejects the blame when it makes them look bad?




I tried to change a reservation for a flight for Calgary to Montreal, and it took as much time to get the issue resolved with Westjet’s call centre than it the flight would have taken me. I spent close to four hours on the phone with Westjet. The first operator I spoke to said I could use Westjet’s Website to fix my reservation. The problem is that it needs you to enter a user account. I tried to email myself the information to my email address, but that widget on Westjet’s Website was broken. So unless you have a profile with Westjet and can remember that password, you have to use the call centre to make changes.

I first tried the French call center. In the past I’ve waited over an hour for French service because Westjet think French-speaking customers don’t book flights after regular business hours. So service in French is severely curtailed. French service at Westjet is generally horrible. It took years for Westjet to amend its Website properly for French-speaking users. Not all the functionalities worked like in the English site. It’s hard to explain, but as a customer using the French Website in the past, it was always painful and badly written, of course. Every time I go to Westjet’s Website, I have something in the back on my mind telling me that I can’t trust the information on the French Website and that I need to verify everything in the English version.

Speaking of French, Westjet apparently is not under the Official Language Act of Canada and therefore does not have to offer French Canadian travelers the same service in French it offers to other Canadians, in English. They do try but some attendants to flights from and to Montreal often can’t even understand when you ask them for water in French. Once a passenger, sitting next to me had tell the flight attendant what “water” in French meant. I have family members that use Westjet but don't speak English. They are French speakers only which is legal in Canada. I always cringe when they board a Westjet flight because I know they may not get proper service. As a company that operates throughout Canada, Westjet should adhere to the Official Language Act of Canada. Unfortunately that will never happen with Stephen Harper and his conservatives in power.

When boarding a flight, Westjet will often use a recording to offer the security and safety instructions in French. The problem is that they run these recordings after the flight attendants have done the live demonstration in English. By the time they put that dated French recording, many passengers are coughing, talking, making noises, because for them it’s useless information they don’t understand anyway. Often, the pilots will start the motors while the French recording is playing, muffling it with the noise from the plane’s engines. The problem is that for French users, they have to listen to a safety recording while most people around them think it’s ok to not pay attention anymore. Why doesn’t Westjet run all French recordings first while passengers are still paying attention, and before the plane’s engine makes a substantial amount of noise so that by the time the live demonstration is performed, both English and French users have received professional and audible instructions in their language?

After giving up on the French call center after 20 minutes, I tried the English one. I waited an hour and 21 minutes on the line. Apparently Westjet is changing its reservation system and although one operator told me that there were several hundred people working at the call center at that point, they can’t take a phone call within an hour. Obviously after waiting over an hour on the phone (I made the mistake of using my cell phone which means I’ve burned through my monthly plan in just one phone call), I was cranky. The operator threatened me and said that she would drop the call if I didn’t stop being cranky. I asked her name because I didn’t recall her giving it at the beginning of the phone call. She answered “You can go back waiting another hour on the line” and dropped my call. So there I was waiting again for Westjet to deign make a reservation change on my flight.

The second call, I waited more than an hour and half. The second operator was nicer (here’s Westjet taking credit for that one). Although at one point she had me pulling my own hair. The replacement flight was cheaper than my original one, yet she insisted that I had to pay more for my flight (excluding the reservation change fees, of course). I kept asking her how a flight that was cheaper than the original could cost me more. Until she figured that she had made a mistake and was quoting me the credit I was supposed to get instead. It’s been over eight hours now, and I still haven’t received my email confirmation for the change in reservation from Westjet that the operator promised I would receive quickly. I always receive flight reservations from Westjet, so blaming my spam filter won't work this time.

After what happened to me last night, I’ve decided that I would avoid Westjet flights when I can. I’ve used them in the past to go to comic book conventions, to go to conferences and business meetings, to see my friends and relatives in Montreal. They’ve had my business for years, but unless they upgrade their so-called famed customer service, I’ll avoid them like the plague.
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//French-bashing pointless drivel removed.

Strike 1, crazy aviator. Even crazy people are responsible for obeying forum rules, so stop with the hate.

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I want to die like my grandfather did, peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming in terror like his passengers...
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I live in the only Bi-lingual provience in our great country.

In fact, I live in what is considered the most bi-lingual city in the entire country.

Dieppe, New Brunswick.


Not only is the language a non issue, everyone here gets along and those of us that are squareheads do our best to communicate with those French speaking New Brunswickers, and they do the same.

I've visited Quebec many a time, and I can say it's rather disturbing the arrogance SOME of the population has there, I won't paint everyone with the same brush, but I think Quebec should take a look at little ol' New Brunswick and how we all can get along just fine.

Nobody bitches about petty crap, and nobody here tries to force their language on me, even my wife (Who is a French speaking WestJetter) doesn't force me to speak the language although I'm sure she wouldn't be disapointed if I learned.

Some of these people in Quebec really need to be taught a lesson. Quebec is NOT a country, you are Canadians, and if you don't like that, get the hell out of my country.

I'm all for your "Distinct Society" just don't force it on the rest of us.

Even the license plates are designed to cause tension with "The English" people of this country.

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I do want to add, that I have friends who are Quebecers, and they are great people who could care less about the crap the guy in this article rants about, they're not all like that by any means, but those that are are so vocal about it, it makes the entire proveince look bad.

Sorry for such a long rant, it's just always been a sore point with me.
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This is absolutely amazing. A customer (excuse me...guest) has a valid complaint, and in one nanosecond it turns into a french bash fest.
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Rockie wrote:This is absolutely amazing. A customer (excuse me...guest) has a valid complaint, and in one nanosecond it turns into a french bash fest.

Yeah you're right. Pilots shouldn't turn on the motors when the french announcement is being made on the PA.
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I removed the offending post, and warned crazy_aviator.
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Yes, even crazy-aviators must play by the rules , Point taken ! I apologize ! For clarification, i must say that a great majority of french speaking, english speaking and bilingual quebecers dont agree with unfair business practices and are happy to co-exist with the rest of Canada AND the rest of Canada is more than happy to accomodate Quebecs distinct "status" etc If the playing field is level !
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This event occurred during the cutover to Sabre.

Think about doing a brain transplant. Now think about it when the patient is running a marathon. It's not as easy as it sounds. Another airline is cutting over this month and they are shutting down their entire system for the better part of a day.

Stuff happens in the airline world. It's how company's handle stuff that seperates the mediocre from the great. The Google Alerts on this matter were very few and far between.

There's been far more interest / Google Alerts on the blocking of a total of about 1,500 seats on a total of 26 round-trip flights between Alberta and Hawaii in March and April, flights representing something less than .2% of the company's total capacity during the period. That is a publicist's dream.

As for french announcements...let's be real here. When was the last time you ever heard the safety announcements done live on any airline in Canada? English and French, they are done by pre recorded audio / video. My experience on WJ is that mid flight announcements are usually 50% canned and 50% live, in both languages.
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Rockie wrote:This is absolutely amazing. A customer (excuse me...guest) has a valid complaint, and in one nanosecond it turns into a french bash fest.
I would like to see the tapes pulled and actually hear IF an employee actually said that to on of the customers. I highly doubt it. And you know what? Why is is WJ is very good at understanding the needs of their customers but when it comes time that they ask the customers to be a bit understanding they can't? Also I have a valid complaint. It is a safety concern that there is all the French speaking pilots and ATC still speaking french on the radio. And this is a SAFTEY issue. Something that should be taken very seriously. I had a incident happen flying out of quebec city once. We were lined up for take off. A C206 calls in (french) and talks to the tower. The tower responds in french. 10 seconds later we were cleared for take off. We get about 1500-2000 feet and we get an RA on the TCAS. We inform the tower and he says " that was a C206 transiting from east to west who was supposed to remain outside the zone". He obviously didn't. I was pissed. If we heard their transmission in ENGLISH we would have been aware of the traffic and would have at least been prepared for it or even elected to delay the take off. The gov't is going to wait until there are deaths before something is done about this crap. So please let's not get into the english/french debate. Until something is done on the safety side of things I don't want to hear about it.
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French girls. Dirty french girls. Mmmmmmmm...
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You can't really bitch about customer service if you don't speak english, the other offical language in canada. If you don't like it stay in quebec where you can get by in french only.
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Ya know guys... Human nature really astounds me sometimes! Here's a little clip from somewhere that I posted mostly to say that it is not just the standby passengers that have issues getting from A to B, but also the regular guests are facing difficulties.

Here's an individual that because of the circumstances at WJA gets to wait a little longer than usual on the phone trying to deal with a problem. One thing leads to another and frustration gets the better of this person and she ends up having to phone back one more time and wait in the line up. This is really the only bad thing that happened to this person.

BUT!!! Because it is in our nature to blow off steam when we get pissed off, we go on a rant about every thing else that is wrong with WJA! Just like standby passengers who can't get on, regular passengers get mad too when things don't go their way. Funny, eh!?!?!

And in comes the cavalry of AVCANADA and off the bi-lingual war we go! Completely falls into the trap that really is not a trap, but because we get so emotionally involved on this forum... "who are you to rain on my parade"-syndrome prevails and we have the mods deleting and warning left right and center!

It is just a RANT from a guest that wasn't happy! Just let the steam blow off and life will be back to normal. In both french and english!

I thought it was funny! Nothing more!!!
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How are the regular guests doing?

http://www.nnsl.com/editorials/letters.html
Reliability is essential for Northern airlines
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There has been a lot of hype about WestJet staying on in Yellowknife. Is it a good thing to have more competition among the airlines? Or does it cause more harm to the airlines we already rely on?

My daughter recently booked a flight with WestJet to come up to Yellowknife for the Thanksgiving long weekend (i.e. for 72 hours). After driving two hours from Brooks, Alta., she arrived at the Calgary airport only to be told that due to mechanical problems, the 8:35 flight had been cancelled. The ticket agent informed her she had only two choices: sit in the airport for 24 hours and catch the next flight out at 8:35 Saturday morning or receive a refund - a refund that would barely cover 1/3 of another ticket since her original purchase was at a sale price. Being of limited means, she took the first option, though after much haggling she was offered a flight to Edmonton at 7 p.m. plus a free hotel room for the night then a flight from Edmonton on Saturday morning.

At this point she called me, her mother, to let me know she would be arriving 24 hours later. I didn't think that they (her and her son) should be sitting in an airport for almost 12 hours so I called WestJet and got them to book her on a 1 p.m. flight to Edmonton (why didn't they do that originally?) From there she flew out on on First Air, paid by me.

So to get back to the original two questions; there is no competition if one of the airlines simply doesn't deliver. Yellowknifers frequently travel down south for a weekend and need to rely on getting back and forth in a timely manner - and if you are stuck in an airport for 24 hours, well that's half your weekend!

As for harming the other airlines - I think WestJet does more harm to themselves when they tell a young mother and her child that they can just "hang out" in an airport for 24 hours!

In the future when I want to fly south I think rather than make a purchase based on how cheap a seat can be, I'll rely on the airlines that have proved themselves - whether they are seriously Northern or the airline of the North.


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I share some startling facts that many you won't believe.

Every airline has cancelations, loses bags, denies boarding, bumps passengers, pisses passengers off, has delays, has mechanicalsetc.

Every one.

If you think that one exists, you're a noob.
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Donald wrote:How are the regular guests doing?

http://www.nnsl.com/editorials/letters.html
Reliability is essential for Northern airlines
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There has been a lot of hype about WestJet staying on in Yellowknife. Is it a good thing to have more competition among the airlines? Or does it cause more harm to the airlines we already rely on?

My daughter recently booked a flight with WestJet to come up to Yellowknife for the Thanksgiving long weekend (i.e. for 72 hours). After driving two hours from Brooks, Alta., she arrived at the Calgary airport only to be told that due to mechanical problems, the 8:35 flight had been cancelled. The ticket agent informed her she had only two choices: sit in the airport for 24 hours and catch the next flight out at 8:35 Saturday morning or receive a refund - a refund that would barely cover 1/3 of another ticket since her original purchase was at a sale price. Being of limited means, she took the first option, though after much haggling she was offered a flight to Edmonton at 7 p.m. plus a free hotel room for the night then a flight from Edmonton on Saturday morning.

At this point she called me, her mother, to let me know she would be arriving 24 hours later. I didn't think that they (her and her son) should be sitting in an airport for almost 12 hours so I called WestJet and got them to book her on a 1 p.m. flight to Edmonton (why didn't they do that originally?) From there she flew out on on First Air, paid by me.

So to get back to the original two questions; there is no competition if one of the airlines simply doesn't deliver. Yellowknifers frequently travel down south for a weekend and need to rely on getting back and forth in a timely manner - and if you are stuck in an airport for 24 hours, well that's half your weekend!

As for harming the other airlines - I think WestJet does more harm to themselves when they tell a young mother and her child that they can just "hang out" in an airport for 24 hours!

In the future when I want to fly south I think rather than make a purchase based on how cheap a seat can be, I'll rely on the airlines that have proved themselves - whether they are seriously Northern or the airline of the North.


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OMG really? cmon! so it's westjet's fault that this guest didn't think to compare frequency as well as price when shopping for airline tickets? would this guest rather fly on a non-airworthy, unsafe and illegally operated aircraft? this guest's mother is more concerned about the amount of time her daughter would have to spend sitting safely in an airport than in a non-airworthy aircraft miles above the ground doing mach whatever? the first thing i tell people when we get talking about what i do, is that i don't get upset when a flight is delayed or canceled because it usually means that a fellow pilot has put their foot down in the interest of safety and refused to fly until things either get fixed, the weather gets better, they get something to eat or get some sleep. i mean cmon, really?

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Sounds to me like you owners get a bit testy when the shine rubs off a little. Welcome to the real world...glad to have you.
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rockie,

if your post was in response to mine i don't work for westjet. you could insert any airline's name in the article and my response, as it applies to all of us.
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I replied to that Comic Book Bin article a couple times. I wasn't even that harsh on the guy (seriously, I work for a WJ competitor :roll:)

Magically those posts deleted themselves...
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