WestJet Mainline/Encore Hiring pool
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Maybe that might have something to do with it. I will try to re apply. Although I am sure I did not specify which seat the first time I applied. Would like to talk to an actual person one of these days lol.
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I tried your suggestion to re apply. I apparently did it wrong, It just goes back to the same old application and status. Think I will try again with a new email and see what happens. I was talking to one of my former students (who will remain nameless) and he informed me he got an interview and it went well. He has a fraction of what I have so I know something is going wrong for me and its not the company or my qualifications.
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Is an internal recommendation still mandatory to get on?
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I should hope not. This is not a frat house. Should be hiring good pilots, not your buddies. Although if they happen to be the same, bonus. I don't seem to know what it takes to get onboard, but you may very well be right.
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Racer pilot,
Do you have 500 mpic? That requirement tripped up a couple of friends of mine who had lots of time on the pc12
Do you have 500 mpic? That requirement tripped up a couple of friends of mine who had lots of time on the pc12
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are you talking about Mainline Bede ?
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I have over 3000 multi PIC turbine. Plus another 600 or so multi PIC piston.
another 1700 or so tail wheel and aerobatic.
as well as charter ops and multi crew glass cockpit, MPL, ATPL, CRM, and more.
I have even taken part in a Dash 8 ground school before.
another 1700 or so tail wheel and aerobatic.
as well as charter ops and multi crew glass cockpit, MPL, ATPL, CRM, and more.
I have even taken part in a Dash 8 ground school before.
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Maybe you've got too much experience, and they wonder if you'll take the wages on offer?
Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two!
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maybe that's it. How is it there are lots of ways to not have a job I am fully capable of doing, probably far better than most. If I am over qualified, they should be begging me
I am capable (and have been) teaching F18 pilots how to do long forgotten maneuvers, but I can't join the forces because I don't have a bachelor of arts degree. I can't join the airlines because I am over qualified. I can't go overseas because I don't speak a foreign language when aviation is mandatory English. I even help AME's when fixing the airplane when asked as a mechanical engineering technologist, but I do not have a job when my students are working as highly trained individuals.
Starting to think its not about talent, but about who will work for nothing and shut up about it.
I love flying, always have. And the people in it are far above par, So what is my reward for years of dedication to an amazing industry.....?????
Yup, you may sense my frustration.
But I will still smile when you meet me and ask about flying.
I am capable (and have been) teaching F18 pilots how to do long forgotten maneuvers, but I can't join the forces because I don't have a bachelor of arts degree. I can't join the airlines because I am over qualified. I can't go overseas because I don't speak a foreign language when aviation is mandatory English. I even help AME's when fixing the airplane when asked as a mechanical engineering technologist, but I do not have a job when my students are working as highly trained individuals.
Starting to think its not about talent, but about who will work for nothing and shut up about it.
I love flying, always have. And the people in it are far above par, So what is my reward for years of dedication to an amazing industry.....?????
Yup, you may sense my frustration.
But I will still smile when you meet me and ask about flying.
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Watermeth, WJ and WJE have 500 mpic requirement.
Race Bob, you're not over qualified. Strange you never got a call.
Race Bob, you're not over qualified. Strange you never got a call.
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500 MPIC wasn't a requirement when I got hired at WJ a few years ago.
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An eMail stating my application has been received & thank you for applying - was sent to me after I submitted my application.
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Think that's just computer generated reply. I did not even get that the first time I applied, following suggestion above, I re-applied and got that same email. But I got it within seconds of sending, so I don't think anyone actually looked at it that fast lol. But so happy to see that I got the email this time around. Now if only they would re-start hiring again.....
Think there are a lot of us on here who have been trying for a while.
Think there are a lot of us on here who have been trying for a while.
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Are they not hiring right now? Their taking a tail a monthracer-pilot-rob wrote:Think that's just computer generated reply. I did not even get that the first time I applied, following suggestion above, I re-applied and got that same email. But I got it within seconds of sending, so I don't think anyone actually looked at it that fast lol. But so happy to see that I got the email this time around. Now if only they would re-start hiring again.....
Think there are a lot of us on here who have been trying for a while.
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Yes, both mainline and Encore are currently hiring.leftoftrack wrote:Are they not hiring right now? Their taking a tail a monthracer-pilot-rob wrote:Think that's just computer generated reply. I did not even get that the first time I applied, following suggestion above, I re-applied and got that same email. But I got it within seconds of sending, so I don't think anyone actually looked at it that fast lol. But so happy to see that I got the email this time around. Now if only they would re-start hiring again.....
Think there are a lot of us on here who have been trying for a while.
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Interesting that decision making is only credible if you have two engines hanging off of you.Bede wrote:Watermeth, WJ and WJE have 500 mpic requirement.
Race Bob, you're not over qualified. Strange you never got a call.
So the single pilot IFR caravan drivers aren't qualified because their valuable experience is logged in a single engine machine? Or am I reading the information wrong? Similarly, how is it that mpic is the determining factor for decision making ability and not spic or even loads of 704/705 second-in-command in a flight deck similar to a Q400? Last I heard, it's a joint crew decision up front. Surely an individual after so many hours in the right seat in a commercial operation should have enough experience to make decisions in a Q400 setup? Jazz is doing it with 250 hour wonders... Kind of unfair to asses an individuals decision making ability based on multi-pic. How about a 4000 hour NCA or Sunwest Dash F/O with 2000 hours on type flying in restrictive outfits like contrails where upgrades are hard to come by and perhaps want to get an out to an environment like WJE where upgrades are total time / seniority based? Are we seriously arguing that a guy or gal like this isn't suitable for an upgrade assessment when the time comes at Encore just because he or she doesn't have prior multi-pic? If an individual spends 10 years in the right seat of a 737 and can't upgrade, then the 500 hours of mpic won't be the reason they can all of a sudden upgrade 10 years down the road. Surely after 10 years of flying in a commercial outfit like WJ, a First Officer should have seen enough to be a worthy Captain. The 500 mpic prior is great, but can't seriously be the end all be all for why this person will be a great F/O and one day Captain? There are a lot of 704 and 705 F/O's that don't have much mpic but can make "good decisions" in complex scenarios that otherwise a navajo driver couldn't identify if their life depended on it. I don't care what anyone says, but with adequate time on type and suitable captain's an F/O can quite nicely transition into the left seat of a Q400. So bombing around 500 hours in a navajo doing VFR legs is more valuable than 500 hours in a commercial IFR operation flying similar equipment to what Encore / Mainline operates? Because you have to put on engine covers by yourself when parking a navajo at night in cyzf and that job is delegated to someone else in an operation like Encore? I'm interested in someone arguing this to be the case. I'd like to think a lot more goes into the qualifications of an individual other than quantitative measures in a logbook.DaveP wrote:Hi
It's still required in the matrix. We use the 500 as a base for simply building your decision making skills.
Cheers
Just my 2 cents
*Edited for grammar, yes it was bad
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What is the percentage of flowthrough in the fall mainline courses? Still around 25%?
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HB777,
I pretty much share the same sentiments. As the scenario you described is the position that I'm in. 3000 on the Dash with internal references and couldn't even qualify for an interview. Just a computer generated reply saying thanks but you don't meet our qualifications. We don't have to agree or like it but Encore's min requirements are what they are.
I pretty much share the same sentiments. As the scenario you described is the position that I'm in. 3000 on the Dash with internal references and couldn't even qualify for an interview. Just a computer generated reply saying thanks but you don't meet our qualifications. We don't have to agree or like it but Encore's min requirements are what they are.
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HB777,
I'll take a stab at defending it. When you're flying that navajo, you are likely dealing with more than the plane. The pressure from the company to just get the job done while the plane is falling apart. It builds character, and learn how to deal with a lot more issues that you will see outside from the 705 world. Instead of watching the 705 captain just turn down anything because it's out of the normal, someone flying navajos in the winter knows what it is like to make life and death decisions every day, flying into small airports with no winter maint, with a plane that just keeps breaking. Those first 500 mpic hours are when you are on your own, or probably with an FO who just got off the ramp and hasn't flown for 2 years. It's those moments where you have close calls and think, man, I won't ever do that again. They build character, and good decision making.
The FO for life does not have to see the underlying pressures of getting the job done, or putting your licence and job on the line. Things that a 705 captain doesn't have to worry about either.
I am curious about this though, could you name one situation where a seasoned navajo driver couldn't get out of but a 705 FO could?
I'll take a stab at defending it. When you're flying that navajo, you are likely dealing with more than the plane. The pressure from the company to just get the job done while the plane is falling apart. It builds character, and learn how to deal with a lot more issues that you will see outside from the 705 world. Instead of watching the 705 captain just turn down anything because it's out of the normal, someone flying navajos in the winter knows what it is like to make life and death decisions every day, flying into small airports with no winter maint, with a plane that just keeps breaking. Those first 500 mpic hours are when you are on your own, or probably with an FO who just got off the ramp and hasn't flown for 2 years. It's those moments where you have close calls and think, man, I won't ever do that again. They build character, and good decision making.
The FO for life does not have to see the underlying pressures of getting the job done, or putting your licence and job on the line. Things that a 705 captain doesn't have to worry about either.
I am curious about this though, could you name one situation where a seasoned navajo driver couldn't get out of but a 705 FO could?
There are a lot of 704 and 705 F/O's that don't have much mpic but can make "good decisions" in complex scenarios that otherwise a navajo driver couldn't identify if their life depended on it.
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I definitely see your point! It can surely go both ways though.