Boot that talibani sounding Muslim lookin thing off ma plane

[azimuthaviation]

Misfortune my butt. The Muslims deserve the credit because only a "real believer" would be crazy enough to strap bombs on themselves and push the button.

Suicide is a purely Muslim phenomenon? Or just that method? Were all the Kamikaze pilots Muslis as well? Or just crazy?

[grimey]

ya there were 700 000 muslims in the 2001 canadian census, most own guns

My bullshit meter says not.

579,640. Close enough that it's not worth arguing over. There are likely over 1 million now.

http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/demo30a-eng.htm

But yes, I doubt that "most" of them own guns. Gun ownership in Canada is at around 5-10%, I doubt any religion with a statistically significant population is 5 to 10 times that.

[Beefitarian]

The problem caucasions have with being suicide bombers is the ones that are that crazy can't act normal. I don't know if that made sense but I'm saying the guy would be like Daffy Duck. Everyone in town would be onto him well before he could get set up.

[TeePeeCreeper]

But yes, I doubt that "most" of them own guns. Gun ownership in Canada is at around 5-10%, I doubt any religion with a statistically significant population is 5 to 10 times that.

Agreed.

[azimuthaviation]

Ok well even a tenth of that is 60 000 armed muslims scattered across canada. How easy is it for any of them to open fire either alone or in a group onto a crowd of people. But how often every year do you hear about a mass shooting attack by a nationalisticly or religiously motivated muslim? how often every decade? But some people are convinced of a threat nonetheless

[robertsailor1]

Nope the Japanese were just as bad but they too believed their Emperor was a God. Give me some examples of suicide terrorists on a grand scale that didn't believe in some sort of God. Sane people just don't behave that way...when you don't believe in Gods and you commit suicide your considered insane.

[azimuthaviation]

Sanaa Mehaidli was one of the first suicide bombers ands the first female suicide bomber, she was a member of the atheist Syrian Socialist Party, her video will said she did it for land and country. She managed to kill 2 Israeli soldiers and Israel stole her body and removed it from Lebanon, a war crime and ransomed it back. Hezbollah returned her body 22 years later where it was finally buried in her home town.

Soha Bechara was a Christian Lebanese ember of the Lebanese communist party who attempted a suicide bombing against antione lahad then when the bomb didnt detonate she shot him twice. She was a fervent secularist and atheist, her motivation was fighting occupation. She spent over a decade in Israels notorious Khiam prison until she too was released by Hezbollah

[robertsailor1]

I asked for examples of suicide as a means of killing others on a "grand scale" as in hundreds or even thousands like the Muslims or Japanese have been involved in, not a person or two because even atheists who get into a love triangle have been known to kill their family and then finally themselves and of course they are insane. They are not expecting 72 virgins or protecting their god or becoming a martyr or some other goofy reward.

[azimuthaviation]

100 000 Canadian soldiers died in the two world wars, what goofy reward were they looking for when they died? Some people think the freedom and survival of their people and way of life are worth dying for, and arent looking for goofy rewards.

[Beefitarian]

100 000 Canadian soldiers died in the two world wars, what goofy reward were they looking for when they died? Some people think the freedom and survival of their people and way of life are worth dying for, and arent looking for goofy rewards.

[sound=needle pulled across record]Say what?[/sound]

[TeePeeCreeper]

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[azimuthaviation]

Oh and cant forget Jules Jamal, the Syrian Orthodox naval officer who rammed a boat of explosives into a french ship during the suez war. How many virgins do Syrian Orthodox martyrs get in heaven?

[niss]

How many virgins do Syrian Orthodox martyrs get in heaven?

3.5 and they're all midgets.

[grimey]

I asked for examples of suicide as a means of killing others on a "grand scale" as in hundreds or even thousands like the Muslims or Japanese have been involved in, not a person or two because even atheists who get into a love triangle have been known to kill their family and then finally themselves and of course they are insane. They are not expecting 72 virgins or protecting their god or becoming a martyr or some other goofy reward.

Without getting into the politics or justification for it, it likely has a lot more to do with the disparity in power between the suicide attackers and their targets (meaning the nations they're targeting, not the people they actually kill), rather than their religious motivation. A terrorist can't realistically hope to take out 100 people with a rifle, he'd get a few and then get shot, but he can do so with a truck bomb he's driving. Japan turned to suicide attacks in desperation near the end of the war, when they no longer had enough aircraft or skilled pilots to oppose the Americans, or when the fate of the pilot was already known because their aircraft was badly damaged, not as a tactic right out of the gate. The same could be said for Palestinians, if you connect them to the surrounding Arab nations and their wars with Israel. Those wars failed, badly, and there's no realistic hope of a Palestinian army opposing the Israeli military. There weren't a lot of suicide attacks in and around various wars between the Arab states and Israel. There weren't many at all until the late 80s or early 90s, after the worst of the wars were over.

[grimey]

How many virgins do Syrian Orthodox martyrs get in heaven?

3.5 and they're all midgets.

what do they do, have to wait for a second martyr and double up on the 4th?

[robertsailor1]

I understand that disparity in power has allot to do with some suicide attacks but most of the attackers are young men that have been brainwashed in religion and specially prepared for their mission.

[iflyforpie]

I understand that disparity in power has allot to do with some suicide attacks but most of the attackers are young men that have been brainwashed in religion and specially prepared for their mission.

You can be brainwashed by anything. Read some of the stories about the Eastern Front or the Korean War where communist soldiers basically turned themselves into cannon fodder for some 'higher cause' that was not religious. How about the Central and South American Cartels and their acts? (Which have included destroying entire aircraft to eliminate a single informant). Most may have been born Catholic but I seriously doubt Catholicism has anything to do with their actions.

Religion, drugs, politics, gambling, and multilevel marketing all have the power to corrupt people into doing morally reprehensible things. The last four rarely ever get somebody to do the very un-newsworthy random and selfless acts of kindness though...

[robertsailor1]

Your comments are well taken but there is a huge difference between military folks being killed in one sided battles and someone who prepares himself over months to die as a martyr.
People are born with enough natural empathy to do kind things for others without the concept that if I do good I'll get to heaven. Given the choice between someone doing good because of some religious promise or someone who does good just because they are a good person.... I'll take the latter as a friend any day.

[Beefitarian]

People are born with enough natural empathy to do kind things for others without the concept that if I do good I'll get to heaven.

Maybe, then they're told by their Mom they're the most important person in the world for their whole life. Little league tells them there's no winner so just go have fun. Movies and television show them how being gangsta gets you the bling and soon enough they'll be aguing with each other, "It's not my turn to change his diaper." and stealing watches at the assisted care facility while us old guys wait in a full one trying to tell them, "I used to have friends and fly airplanes."

For me I don't see the difference what motivates the person to act on my end, if someone is kind it beats them driving past splashing me with slush.

[robertsailor1]

Jeeez Beef...who can debate those remarks