Don Cherry - A Great Canadian Pecked By A Thousand Sparrows

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Don Cherry - A Great Canadian Pecked By A Thousand Sparrows

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E WARMINGTON | QMI AGENCY


TORONTO -- I was hoping to be able to report today how those Royal Military College faculty members, who don't agree with a French teacher's protest of Don Cherry's doctorate, had rallied to say she does not speak for them.

It did not happen Monday.

Same goes for a petition from the 800 officer cadets, indicating they did not agree with their French teacher and that they want Don to attend the Nov. 17 Convocation to receive the honorary degree he so richly deserves.

This also did not happen Monday.

In fact, no one currently in uniform at any level has dared to stick their head out of their bureaucratic bunker to say, "Hey, we're with Don on this one."

I know many of them want to but are afraid of career repercussions for standing up to the politically correct police who enjoy all the benefits of free speech but loath to hear it from anybody who doesn't dutifully comply with their group-think. These are the people who have given us the winter without road hockey, taken away the pleasure of tobogganing without a helmet and have pretty well eliminated Halloween, saying Merry Christmas and the throwing of a snowball.

Now certainly nobody currently serving in uniform has to stand up for Cherry but it should be noted that Cherry always stands up for them.

Always.

And not just in good times.

If you read Ron MacLean's excellent new book, Cornered, you will see references to all of the flak Don took internally at the CBC for being pro-military. He didn't care. He is all in.

This is important because if the left had its way, the war in Afghanistan would have been lost a long time ago.

My feeling is the real reason the left gang up like jackals on Don is because of his effective form of patriotism. I saw some of their moves first hand while helping plan a Red Rally at Dundas Square in 2006. Some anti-troop, pro-communist lefties in six-figure public-sector jobs put up a lot of nasty roadblocks to stop it, but people like radio personalities John Oakley, John Derringer, Bill Carroll, Charles Adler and Craig Bromell were wise to it and helped push the event through.

Strength in numbers. Sometimes you need to have people like that get behind something and show the miserable lefty hater-types they have a real fight on their hands -- and will not get away with their usual gutless, sneaky, dirty, knife-in-the-back fighting style where they talk of unfounded racism and homophobia as a tool of destruction.
I think the left hate Don because he beats them in reach of audience and he doesn't dance to their politically correct shakedown game.

Mayor Rob Ford is their other target. It's like they all get the memo (even in the U.S) that if you are not a socialist like them, you are not worthy of survival.

There was a time when you could write about something you thought was wrong and there would be all sorts of people wanting to correct it and do the right thing.

But now it's all about people protecting their butt and making sure they don't take a chance of offending. People act tough and talk tough but are really calculating and afraid of their own shadow. I learned that during G20 where people didn't write, report or deal with what really happened because they were afraid of the powers that be.
Truth is, there are times in life when you have to tell the Man to shove it. Don certainly does that.

And if you don't like it, change the channel.

One day the left will have its dream of having Grapes off the airwaves, but when he leaves so will one of the very few Canadians left with the character to say what he really thinks, no matter who it either pisses off or offends.

I love this play-it-safe statement from RMC Monday: "We received with regret, but with complete understanding, Mr. Don Cherry's personal decision not to participate in the forthcoming Convocation at the Royal Military College of Canada," said Dr. Joel Sokolsky, principal of RMC.

"It would have been our honour and privilege for Mr. Cherry to have received an Honorary Degree from the university, in recognition of his outstanding support for our Canadian Forces personnel and for his incredible charitable work."

It's accurate but not exactly an inspiring clearing-the-benches moment.

I wanted some fire. I wanted a statement that said, "We fight for a teacher named Catherine Lord's right to feel how she feels but we don't agree and are solidly behind the guy who is always solidly behind us."

It did not happen Monday.

"Seems to me Don's kind of left out there on his own," commented Adler, also of the Sun News Network.

So far it certainly seems like that. If it changes I will let you know.
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Look...there's a left leaning windmill.

Go get'im Foggy.

Oh wait a minute, windmills are clean energy so obviously they're all lefty.
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Nice Rockie, rather than simply state whether or not you agree on the topic - which was whether or not Don should get the honour - you launch a personal attack. Guess that's no surprise. And you also employ an overarching, huge generalization of an opinion stated as though it were a fact...
Rockie wrote: windmills are clean energy
In the overall big picture, that isn't necessarily so. Green Energy or Greenwash?

And for the record I think that Don should receive the honour because whether you like him or not, whether you like the Armed Forces or not, he is a solid and very public supporter of them.
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5x5 wrote:Nice Rockie, rather than simply state whether or not you agree on the topic - which was whether or not Don should get the honour - you launch a personal attack. Guess that's no surprise. And you also employ an overarching, huge generalization of an opinion stated as though it were a fact...
You don't know much about personal attacks do you? For the record:

Don Cherry is an unflagging, active and uncompromising supporter of military personnel and their families. It is right and fitting that they should want to express their gratitude and I think an honourary degree is a wonderful idea. Hopefully he will reconsider his decision for their benefit if not his own.

Having said that, Don Cherry is also Don Cherry. He is at times flamboyantly controversial and always speaks his mind even if it steps on toes which is actually one of his appeals. His mind is on his colourful sleeve at all times. He is also rabidly right wing and can be insulting toward the "pinko lefties" much like Foggy there, which is fine because there is a thing here in Canada called free speech and a right to a different opinion.

What I find hypocritical though is than when somebody left wing speaks their mind all of a sudden freedom of speech isn't such a good thing to people like Foggy. Given Don Cherry's often colourful hyperbole it is only natural some people will take exception and voice it. The people at RMC who oppose him recieving the degree have their reasons, and just because Foggy doesn't agree doesn't negate their opinion or right to express it.

The University was not denying the honourary degree because of the dissent of many of their faculty. It was Don's decision to not recieve it. Instead of railing yet again blaming every percieved wrong in the world on lefties Foggy should perhaps write Don a letter encouraging him to reconsider.
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What I find hypocritical though is than when somebody left wing speaks their mind all of a sudden freedom of speech isn't such a good thing to people like Foggy
I'm amazed you can take that position with a straight face. Pot, meet kettle.

Left-wing people are the least liberal people you will ever meet, when it comes to personal freedom, and free speech.

How soon everyone forgets that all the lefties did their very best to censor Sun News, for no other reason than they disagree with it. Lefties are truly scary, because they are convinced that

a) they can never make a mistake
b) the ends always justify the means

Really scary.
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Never heard of this dame... another French language activist or simply a Don Cherry hater?
She’s out of line and it’s none of her business to pass comment on anyone chosen to receive this honorary degree. Don Cherry is a friend of the military and he’s sincere. This is sickening, but Don has pushed her out front, let her take a few punches, hopefully some from the students as well.
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straightpilot wrote:
What I find hypocritical though is than when somebody left wing speaks their mind all of a sudden freedom of speech isn't such a good thing to people like Foggy
I'm amazed you can take that position with a straight face. Pot, meet kettle.

Left-wing people are the least liberal people you will ever meet, when it comes to personal freedom, and free speech.
Selective reading
Rockie wrote:He is also rabidly right wing and can be insulting toward the "pinko lefties" much like Foggy there, which is fine because there is a thing here in Canada called free speech and a right to a different opinion.
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Rockie wrote:You don't know much about personal attacks do you
Perhaps not. I guess the fact that you completely ignored the content of the original post and instead wrote comments directed at OFD himself caused my confusion.

Sorry for my mistake. Perhaps you could explain what your response to the original post was intended for, since I seem to have missed it? That way I could understand personal attacks more clearly and make much better use of the internet.
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That way I could understand personal attacks more clearly
Easy.

When a right-wing person makes a personal attack, that's bad, because he's right-wing
and he must always be wrong, regardless of the merits of his argument.

When a left-wing person makes a personal attack, that's good, because he's left-wing
and he must always be correct, regardless of the merits of his argument.

Got it? Apply the first paragraph to ANYTHING Don Cherry has ever said
(eg the time of day), and he always will be wrong and evil.

Next, apply the second paragraph to any ridiculous statement of David
Suzuki, and he will always be correct and virtuous.

Isn't that simple? Don Cherry always wrong and bad, David Suzuki
always correct and good.
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5x5 wrote:
Rockie wrote:You don't know much about personal attacks do you
Perhaps not. I guess the fact that you completely ignored the content of the original post and instead wrote comments directed at OFD himself caused my confusion.

Sorry for my mistake. Perhaps you could explain what your response to the original post was intended for, since I seem to have missed it? That way I could understand personal attacks more clearly and make much better use of the internet.
It was intended to poke fun at Foggy and his unceasing rants against left wing people. You see he (and maybe you) are what I call binary brains. That means if something isn't a "1" (right wing like him and therefore pure of heart and good), then it must be a "0" (rabid left wing and therefore evil) because for him there is nothing in between. (Oops, there I go attacking him again).

Personal attacks are against the forum rules. If you think I inflicted a personal attack on Foggy then by all means report it to the moderators. In fact please do, because maybe then a moderator will explain to you what a personal attack is.
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Thanks Rockie. I think I understand now that you discrediting how you perceive someone's belief system to work is merely "poking fun". And fun things make me laugh. So, as a binary brained individual, I have a new rule. Rockie's posts = poking fun, fun = me laughing, so from now on any of your posts will make me laugh.

That certainly does allow for my enhanced use of the internet (well, at least this forum).
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Don Cherry is an out-of-touch lunatic whose 15 minutes were up decades ago. I would shed no tears if he departed the CBC for good, and soon.

That being said, I understand he was a staunch supporter of the military, and I have no problem with that. I think the issue with his degree wasn't so much his support of the military, but his frequent outrageous outbursts - when he is honored for his performance, some people worry that it implies that his outbursts are also okay, and clearly they are not.

Left-wing people are the least liberal people you will ever meet, when it comes to personal freedom, and free speech.
Nah, that's not accurate. I believe in freedom of speech and I think I'd be perceived as left-leaning by a fair amount of the people who frequent this board. Keep in mind that pilots are generally a pretty conservative bunch though - I'm not sure I'd be perceived as left-leaning on most forums. Anyway, as long as a post doesn't bust forum rules, I leave it alone.
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Sulako wrote: Anyway, as long as a post doesn't bust forum rules, I leave it alone.
~sigh~ Too bad the whole team doesn't work like that here.
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5x5 wrote:Thanks Rockie. I think I understand now that you discrediting how you perceive someone's belief system to work is merely "poking fun". And fun things make me laugh. So, as a binary brained individual, I have a new rule. Rockie's posts = poking fun, fun = me laughing, so from now on any of your posts will make me laugh.
Whatever floats your boat.
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Don't take Don too seriously, he's been in the entertainment business for a very long time and he entertains. Sure from time to time he is pretty controversial but keep in mind he came from a different time when boys weren't so lovey dovey.
He's pretty harmless and lots of people get a kick out of him so unless he really swallows his boot I'd just cut him some slack. What the hell, you want to forgive a 14 year old for a brutal crime, be kind to good old Don.
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Good post rs1. Cherry has always been a controversal character, he'll never change. The viewer is the ultimate censor on any TV program. You don't like what the animator is spouting? Turn it off and don't buy the sponsor's product. I don't really admire Cherry's brand of hockey, but he knows the game inside out and if the shit hits the fan, he's the boy you'd want in your corner.
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Food for thought. Sully said above (which I privately agree with):
Don Cherry is an out-of-touch lunatic whose 15 minutes were up decades ago. I would shed no tears if he departed the CBC for good, and soon.
But just for grins, let's replace "Don Cherry" with "David Suzuki" in the above, and let's see what pops out:
David Suzuki is an out-of-touch lunatic whose 15 minutes were up decades ago. I would shed no tears if he departed the CBC for good, and soon.
Wow. That actually rings true, too :wink:
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Don Cherry is an undisputed authority on hockey with a rather loud method of delivering his opinions that on occasion stray outside the strict bounds of his expertise and spin off into left field (sorry...extreme right field), which is what gets him into trouble.

David Suzuki is a noted scientist who delivers knowledge from his own area of expertise in a calm professorial way, and acts as an informative source to translate scientific knowledge from outside his field into plain english that you and I can understand, also in a calm professorial way. Being a strong believer in the power and honesty of science he is also an advocate for safeguarding the human species through responsible stewardship of our planet's environment.

You and many others don't agree with him and I get that, although I don't know what makes you more qualified than him. That would be like me disagreeing with Don Cherry on the merits of a player I've never even heard of before.

But comparing him to Don Cherry....? :smt017
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Rockie wrote:But comparing him to Don Cherry....? :smt017
They're both mammals. Apart from that, not much in common.
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not much in common
I find them both to be extremist, opinionated blowhards, both of whom fervently believe they are correct without an ounce of self-doubt.

A very small dose of either goes a very long way.

Specific to Davey Motorbike: a good scientist always has self-doubt, because ideas that we all know "for sure" can distressingly turn out to be horribly wrong. Look at physics in the 20th century. Look at stomach ulcers, fer crissake - everyone "knew" they were caused by stress. When some researchers discovered that they were actually caused by bacteria, and treatable by anti-biotics, they were viciously attacked by the "ruling class" of medicine.

Similarly, Davey Motorbike has no self-doubt. He is not a good scientist because he lacks this. Instead he has religious, evangelical fervour which is nauseatingly simliar to Donny Grapes, both of whom are eager to tell you what you should think.

Blech to both of them.
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