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Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Study confirms Global Warming is Real.

Former climate contrarian Professor Richard Muller has released the draft of his teams Berkley Earth Surface Temperature Study (BEST). The study, funded largely by multibillionaire petroleum magnates Charles and David Koch, known for donating 55 million dollars to climate denial front groups, “confirm[s] the reality of global warming and support in all essential respects the historical temperature analyses of the NOAA, NASA, and HadCRU.” Muller confirmed at a public talk, “We are seeing substantial global warming” and “none of the effects raised by the [sceptics] is going to have anything more than a marginal effect on the amount of global warming.” He told MSNBC’s Morning Joe today that “we’re getting very steep warming” and that because “we are dumping enough carbon dioxide into the atmosphere that we’re working in a dangerous realm, a realm where I think, we may really have trouble in the next coming decades.”

The teams “independent” analysis of all of the temperature stations found a rate of warming since the 1950s as high NOAA and NASA and faster than the (much maligned) UK Hadley/CRU data. Muller found et al: … we find that the global land mean temperature has increased by 0.911 ± 0.042 C since the 1950s…. our analysis suggests a degree of global land-surface warming during the anthropogenic era that is consistent with prior work (e.g. NOAA) but on the high end of the existing range of reconstruction.

This study is unlikely to change the minds of vested interests and those with ideological biases. Since global warming is now undeniable, subtle contrarians will cherry pick low CO2 sensitivity studies while ignoring the more thorough and numerous studies indicating medium, high, and extremely high climate sensitivity.

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/11/1 ... r-warming/
http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/03/2 ... l-warming/
http://berkeleyearth.org

Arctic Meltdown Continues Unabated, 2011

The meltdown of Arctic sea ice continues. Minimum area has not broken the 2007 record but thinning of the ice has set a new record low volume. Multiyear ice has decreased in proportion to single year ice. Trend line indicates an ice free Arctic in summer before 2020. IPCC reports suggest that this won’t happen before 2050. The IPCC has been criticized for its lowest-common-denominator consensus style reporting and failure to adequately highlight the shortcomings of its models and process. William Freudenberg, a researcher at University of California, reports that new scientific findings are more than 20 times as likely to show that global disruption is “worse than expected” rather than “not as bad as previously expected.”

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/1 ... e-impacts/

Arctic Sea Ice Area, September Minimum.

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Arctic Sea Ice Volume, Annual Minimum

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Multiyear vs Single Year Ice, 2010

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http://earthsky.org/earth/2011-arctic-s ... ite-record
http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/11/06/d ... te-trends/

Significance of Arctic Meltdown

Arctic sea ice reflects 80% of sunlight back to space, whereas blue ocean only reflects 20%. With the ice gone, the Arctic basin will absorb an extra 80 watts per square metre, averaged globally 1 watt per square metre, equivalent to 70% of all the carbon dioxide pollution now present. It takes 81 times more energy to phase change ice to liquid than it does to raise that water 1 degree C. Like an iced highball, the drink will remain cool while there’s ice, but warm rapidly when the ice is gone. The extra warmth will delay winter ice reformation and increase methane mobilization from the Arctic sea floor and land based permafrost. Methane has 105 times more warming potential than CO2 over a 20 year period and large emissions deplete hydroxyl, increasing methanes half-life. Emissions of nitrous oxide GHGs will increase from tundra. The Arctic permafrost holds over 1500 billion tonnes of frozen carbon – twice as much as contained in the atmosphere. The extra warming will raise the water vapor (another GHG) content of the global atmosphere. Heat waves will be wetter, making it more difficult to lose heat through sweating.

Loss of the sea ice may slow the thermohaline conveyor, reducing ocean algae populations and slowing the ocean carbon pump. Britain may cool initially. The high latitudes of Canada and Russia will become green and habitable, while the subtropical deserts will expand polewards turning parts of the mid-latitudes and continental plains into deserts. The US southwest will continue to dry. The atmospheric 3-cell pattern should remain. Parts of the equator will get wetter while parts of the Amazon will burn away. The increased heat will bake soil dry, releasing carbon. Trees require a leaf temperature of 21 degree C for photosynthesis - more water will be needed for evaporative cooling in a warmer clime or heatwave. Fires will increase, releasing more carbon and destroying carbon sinks. The warmer high latitudes will decay peat which will burn underground. The increasing water vapour content will create stronger downpours that will wash away dead plants and topsoil, increasing erosion and silting up rivers and inlets with dead organic matter - leading to inlet anoxia and methane emissions. The warming ocean will be less able to dissolve as much CO2.

The above process likely constitutes runaway warming, in which no amount of emissions reductions by humans will stop (but perhaps slow) the process. According to Hans Schellnhuber, director for Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and world expert on tipping elements, runaway warming will lead to 6+ degrees C of warming by 2100, continuing to rise through 2200. Industrialized countries must be almost-completely decarbonized (near zero) by 2030 in order to avoid 2 degree C of warming and dangerous tipping points (German Advisory Council on Global Change)*. Arctic sea ice and Greenland ice sheet present the greatest near-term tipping threats (Schellnhuber)*. According to numerous scientists (Oxford 4 degree Conference) and present IPCC data, we must begin adaptation for a hotter world since dangerous warming is now inevitable.

Paleoclimate data demonstrates that abrupt climate change is the norm, not the exception. The disappearance of Arctic ice will almost certainly shuffle the prevailing climatic patterns of the past century and lead to unpredicted phenomena and feedbacks. Present models cannot replicate previous episodes of abrupt climatic transitions in the paleo-climatic record, but only project smooth comforting lines, as if there earth were an inert ball of rock hanging in a sphere of gas. As we approach zero-ice we will get a better idea of the positive feedbacks coming into play.

* http://www.pnas.org/content/106/49/20561.full
* http://www.pnas.org/content/105/6/1786.full

According to scientists Natalia Shakhova and Igor Semilitov, the permafrost cap of the ESAS is now perforated and releasing 8 million tonnes of methane annually gradually. In a 2010 symposium for the Department of Defence Environmental Research Program, Semilitov and Shakhova indicate that measurements were up to 3 magnitudes higher than estimated, and that 3.5 billion tonnes of methane may be escaping the East Siberian Arctic Shelf (1300 billion tonnes carbon load). Because of its light mass, methane will ascend into the middle troposphere before exiting the Arctic clockwise. Additionally, the tundra is predicted to release 1.5 billion tons of carbon per annum before 2030. It is worth noting that no climate model currently incorporates the amplifying feedback from methane released from tundra/ocean floor.

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/04/2 ... -feedback/
http://www.skepticalscience.com/PPW-Car ... backs.html

Some 200 polar researchers have released a new report called Impacts of Climate Change on Snow, Water, Ice and Permafrost in the Arctic. They presented results from this report at a climate conference in Copenhagen on May 4, 2011….Researchers say feedback mechanisms are now at work in the Arctic to increase warming. In other words, the Arctic is now reinforcing its own warming… The future does not look brighter, the researchers say. They point to climate models showing that temperatures will rise by a further 3 to 7 degrees… They suggest there will be “grave consequences for the ecosystems, existing infrastructure and human living conditions.”

http://earthsky.org/earth/sober-new-rep ... wn-warming

The first results of methane discharge research conducted by the expedition to the Eastern Arctic, which concluded its work on Monday, will be ready in about six months, Dr. Igor Semiletov, expedition leader and head of the Arctic Research Laboratory at the Far Eastern Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, told RIA Novosti. The expedition of 27 Russian and U.S. scientists left Vladivostok on September 2 at short notice to study massive methane discharges from underwater gas hydrates in the Eastern Arctic. This year’s Arctic expedition was funded mainly by the Russian Foundation for Fundamental Research and endorsed by the U.S National Science Foundation and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

http://arctic.ru/news/2011/10/data-arct ... six-months

Geoengineering Field Testing Commences in the UK

In the days after 9/11, the cleared airspace caused a rapid temperature rise in New York - so we know water vapour contrails provide cooling. We also know sulphur dioxide from coal burning provides cooling and cloud nucleation. Scientists will be pumping water up a tethered hose-balloon as part of ongoing climate engineering research.

http://www.nerc.ac.uk/press/releases/2011/22-spice.asp
http://geo-engineering.blogspot.com/201 ... sting.html

Social Consequences for North America

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Russia to Build Nuclear Space-Station City 1000 Miles from North Pole

Because the Arctic contains 1/3rd of the world’s fossil fuel and mineral resources, corporations have elected to capitalize on the rapidly melting Arctic, and in fact this may have provided incentive for denying global warming. For corporations, the catastrophic life-destroying effects of runaway warming don’t matter when there’s money to be made. An abrupt collapse of civilization may be preferable as it preserves infrastructure and limits human migration. If runaway warming becomes intolerable the super-rich can always buy self contained biodomes.

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Russia is to build an ultra-modern city on a frozen island deep inside the Arctic Circle - in the Kremlin's latest move to back its claim to vast oil and gas reserves under the polar ice cap. The city will cost up to £4 billion and be built on the remote island of Kotelniy, in the Novosibirsk archipelago, some 1,000 miles from the North Pole.

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The Umka designs are based on the International Space Station but in comparison is much larger - one mile long and 800 yards wide. Sources say it is likely to house soldiers, border guards and secret service officers, as well as scientists and explorers, as Moscow gets serious about claiming Arctic mineral riches.
All will enjoy a luxury lifestyle in the cocoon with its own specially regulated temperate climate - including many facilities to make inhabitants of other cities envious.

'We aim to have scientific laboratories, houses, but also parks with attractions, an Aqua complex, hotels and a cathedral. Naturally there will be schools, kindergartens, recreation zones, a hospital, and sport facilities are planned, too,' said Rzhevskiy. 'So far it's the only project in the world with an artificial climate and integral life support - just like on the space station. Not only is it a new word in architecture, but in human living too. We have used aero and space technologies while creating it.

Electricity will be supplied by a floating nuclear power station. Food wise, it will be totally self-sufficient with fish and poultry farms, greenhouses, a wheat processing factory and bakeries. 'This project is designed to work on any surface, even on the Moon if needed,' said Rzhevskiy, one of Russia's top architects

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1elP6P1Ve

Sea levels are rising so fast that the tiny Pacific state of Kiribati is seriously considering moving its 100,000 people on to artificial islands. In a speech to the 16-nation Pacific Islands Forum this week, President Anote Tong said radical action may be needed and that he had been looking at a $2bn plan that involved "structures resembling oil rigs":

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/b ... sea-levels

Our Species has to take conscious actions about the future of our planet to survive. That action is not a return to, and reliance on, natural ecosystems, but rather some kind of technological engineering/terraforming to overcome the natural tendency of our sphere’s life to drive all species, including us, into extinction. Mother Earth is, like Medea, the murderer of her own children, Gaia Theory is a fairy-tail reading of a very grim history, and we rely on “nature” to bail us out at our peril. – William Dietrich, 2006

America – where the corporate powers control what you see and hear. Episode 7 of Frozen Planet documenting climate change? Not allowed in America! Corporations – keeping Americans ignorant.

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I probably won't be monitoring responses. Apparently I can't handle criticism. Cheers.
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The high latitudes of Canada and Russia will become green and habitable
Excellent news! Is there any way we can speed up the process?
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Colonel Sanders wrote:
The high latitudes of Canada and Russia will become green and habitable
Excellent news! Is there any way we can speed up the process?
Not likely, just like we can't slow down the process.

Not sure what the panic really is about climate change, the human race has survived it before with considerably more primitive capabilities. Should we look at contingency planning? Sure. Al Gore's crusade to stop the planet from warming up is a fool's errand, but that's not to say that we shouldn't be thinking greener. We just shouldn't be thinking green with the objective of stopping the planet's climate from changing, but rather just to keep the place liveable.
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Saw a fascinating program on TV a while back. Researchers
were trying to figure out why the sudden development of
cranial volume in our direct ancestors, all those millions of
years ago.

Turns out it occurred during a period of climate change in
Africa, and researchers concluded that our ancestors had
to develop brains to survive the changing world around them.

I guess the moral of the story is that all change isn't bad.
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The thing I really don't understand is why the global warming people are so focused on the trends for the last 30-40 years as the indicator for our possibility of surviving. Some cities are going to get flooded, people will be distressed, many will die and the order of things will be shaken up, like that's different than the rest of recorded human civilization. Human civilization is doomed sometime or another whether it be some catastrophe we initiate or by our inability to progress in some way. After all, someday we got to figure out a way to leave this dirt ball when our sun decides to explode and consume the inner 4 planets and if we don't figure it out, well it was a nice run. Should we make the leap we're still going to be doomed by the eventual big freeze/ big crunch (depending on what theory you subscribe to) barring the possibility of a wandering black hole, meteor impact, gamma radiation burst wiping us out in the mean time. Enough gloom and doom and back down to somewhat of a less cosmic scale of our survival, even in the small fraction of time that we've been around the Earth has seen its fair share of changes. For example the climate still hasn't warmed up to the point it was about a thousand years ago, or the point it was when Africa got too damn hot for us to survive in that nice little valley when all the trees disappeared and it turned to savannah, but made it very conducive for us to start moving around the world. We took advantage of when it turned cold and managed to populate North America. Another warm spot really got all that stuff we call civilization going. Why when we talk about global warming can't we see a thousand year trend chart? How about a 2 thousand year one?
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Good points ... why does no one worry about our Sun going
super-nova? And how about the blue shift of the Andromeda
Galaxy? Either will result in the destruction of our solar system,
and no one seems to care about these two threats.
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The cariboo know how to cope with situations like this.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/21 ... to-arctic/
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Colonel Sanders wrote:Good points ... why does no one worry about our Sun going
super-nova? And how about the blue shift of the Andromeda
Galaxy? Either will result in the destruction of our solar system,
and no one seems to care about these two threats.
The transition from GW denyers to GW promoters is fascinating.

The government's lip service to this issue hides the real Canadian agenda which is investing money in arctic resourse exploitation and transportation (soon to be possible by sea), and is really what arctic sovereignty is all about. Will humans die out? No. But the scale and speed of change will be traumatic in a world that already cannot feed its 7 billion people. Geopolitical strife, famine and migration will reach unprecedented levels that will make your dreams of beach life in the north much less desirable.

Experts have written about the human cost of global warming in today's world and it is nothing to wish for. Comparisons to times past are irrelevant and ignore current reality.
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Colonel Sanders wrote:Good points ... why does no one worry about our Sun going
super-nova?
Because it lacks the mass to go supernova and with the current rate of consumption of core hydrogen we've got about 5 billion years give or take before it goes into a red giant with shell burning hyrdogen. However, I hope I am alive to see Betelgeuse go supernova, but that has been only predicted within a one million year window.... :cry:
And how about the blue shift of the Andromeda
Galaxy? Either will result in the destruction of our solar system,
and no one seems to care about these two threats.
The human race is such a tiny part of the universe not only in size but in the time we've spent in it. If the entire existence of the universe was condensed into one day, Earth would not have formed until dinner time, and the human race would only exist for the two seconds before midnight. We give way too much credit to ourselves...
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Don't get me wrong, I have no doubts about the human cost of climate change and that it will be not a fun time. With that said though, people are terrible at preparing for these things and always have been. I'm not "for" or "against" global warming, its just something that will be. I'm not sure one can prepare for it, but just react as the troubles come. For example with the problem of food production and feeding people (which mind you we've never even solved in the best of times) what kind of preparations can we make? Start massive stockpiles? That's a false economic. Who's to say its going to be enough, or that something won't happen to it. I'm prepared to hear some good ideas on what we should do. Even scm's study above forecasted that if we brought ourselves down to zero emission it would only make a 2 degree difference out of the six.

There was a show a little while ago on tv that was called "Doomsday Prophets" where six fairly smart fellows all debated how the human race is going to come to an end and each had a fairly short term theory. So what's the purpose though? I get the feeling that a lot of these guys jobs isn't to actually effect change but to spread a lot of FUD through the populace to get them to accept some sort of big plan.
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Seven billion people roaming the earth is a lot of genetic redundancy.

Even if some traumatic event wiped out six billion of them tomorrow,
I have faith that we could replace them within another 100 years :wink:

Humans are like cockroaches. Lots of us, and really hard to kill all
of them. People should give a little bit more credit to us being at
the top of the food chain. Look at the plagues of the middle ages,
heck what about Spanish Influenza at the end of World War One?
Didn't slow us down in the least. What percentage of the world's
population has been wiped out by Ebola? AIDS?
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Extremely complex issue with no simple answers. With our limited lifespans we tend to only see as far as the next 50 plus years. Politicians can only see about 4 years ahead so don't expect leadership from that group.
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iflyforpie wrote: The human race is such a tiny part of the universe not only in size but in the time we've spent in it. If the entire existence of the universe was condensed into one day, Earth would not have formed until dinner time, and the human race would only exist for the two seconds before midnight. We give way too much credit to ourselves...
You sound like you've been reading some Alistair Reynolds. If not, I reccomend reading Galactic North. :)
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Shiny Side Up wrote: I'm prepared to hear some good ideas on what we should do. Even scm's study above forecasted that if we brought ourselves down to zero emission it would only make a 2 degree difference out of the six.
How about bringing it down to zero and seeing what happens?

Worst case scenario we slow down warming giving us more time to react and wean ourselves off fossil fuels. Best case scenario we restore the balance and save ourselves a planet load of strife as well. I fail to see the downside of trying really hard to correct this now, and a world of certain hurt if we don't.

The Canadian government's plans to profit off global warming while pretending to give a shit about the truly terrible consequences elsewhere are offensive to anybody with a sense of responsibility.
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Rockie wrote:
Shiny Side Up wrote: I'm prepared to hear some good ideas on what we should do. Even scm's study above forecasted that if we brought ourselves down to zero emission it would only make a 2 degree difference out of the six.
How about bringing it down to zero and seeing what happens?

Worst case scenario we slow down warming giving us more time to react and wean ourselves off fossil fuels. Best case scenario we restore the balance and save ourselves a planet load of strife as well. I fail to see the downside of trying really hard to correct this now, and a world of certain hurt if we don't.

The Canadian government's plans to profit off global warming while pretending to give a shit about the truly terrible consequences elsewhere are offensive to anybody with a sense of responsibility.

So how do you propose that we magically do this? I'm going to assume that you're first going to stop working in aviation to lead the crusade.

If you subscribe to the idea that we as human beings can stop global warming, then you must also realise that the biggest way we can reduce our enviornmental footprint is to reduce the size of the human population. This is the thing that irks me the most about the global warming crowd is the assumption that we also need to preserve everyone on the planet in the process - which I might add isn't something we're doing right now, so you have a two-fold mega problem. To really accomplish such a reduction in our population, do people really think that its going to be a peaceful process? That everyone is just going to cooperate? Not without force they're not. I suppose we could put together some sort of twenty-one-twelve-esque global government to keep everyone in line, and I suppose that some out there would in their zeal think that would be a good thing. Personally I'd rather see the collapse, I maintained my survival skills and when the world turns to Mad Max its going to be fun. Entertainment as ol' George would say.

If people are really, really intersted in the survival of the human race, I'm on Stephen Hawking's side in that we should be looking to expand from the earth to ensure it. Long term its the only way. Say what happens if we do solve the global warming thing and heroically maintain the whole population we have now with current growth rates, we're still looking long term at the problems of finite resources in terms of food production and water that the planet can sustain - Global warming or no global warming. What time do you really think the process has bought? Do we then just live crisis to crisis?
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Shiny's building a Rocket? I'm in! Who's with us? If you stay here the emmisiins from out departure may finish the place off.

For that we're sorry.

Wow, what did the iPad do to "emissions"?
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Shiny Side Up wrote:So how do you propose that we magically do this? I'm going to assume that you're first going to stop working in aviation to lead the crusade. If you subscribe to the idea that we as human beings can stop global warming, then you must also realise that the biggest way we can reduce our enviornmental footprint is to reduce the size of the human population.
How do we do this?

Innovation, imagination, science and determination.

Same way we accomplish everything else.

50 years ago JFK committed the United States (who had no space program) to putting astronauts on the moon within ten years. They did it using the four things I mention above. Are you suggesting mankind is not capable of developing alternate energy sources besides fossil fuels?

What are we going to do when the oil runs out then?
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Are you suggesting mankind is not capable of developing alternate energy sources besides fossil fuels?

What are we going to do when the oil runs out then?
I'm suggesting that mankind is not capable of change on a global scale without strife. When the oil runs out we're going to be in trouble whether you think so or not since we don't just require the stuff for fuel at the present time. It still takes a butt-load of fossil fuels to make an electric car, and the eventual depletion of the earth's coal is going to be a worse impact than even the oil since that is going to put a serious crimp in our ability to make steel - something our civilization has possibly as great of an appetite for.
Innovation, imagination, science and determination.

Same way we accomplish everything else.
You forgot the part about sacrificing a lot of our people in the process. The industrial revolution didn't come without problems, and so far the first world has made significant technological progress on the backs of the third world. In particular one of my favorite bits about the global warming crusade is how we in the first world now have to sell the third world on being eco- friendly, when they're just starting to try to progress as industrial nations. Notably China doesn't give a damn - but you'll notice that they're busy sending people into space...
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Shiny Side Up wrote:I'm suggesting that mankind is not capable of change on a global scale without strife.
That's where determination comes in. As long as those who have the ability to enact change choose not to do so then nothing will get done. We don't have viable alternate energy right now because powerful interests don't want it. Time to change that.
Shiny Side Up wrote:You forgot the part about sacrificing a lot of our people in the process.
What sacrifice? Changing from a fossil fuel economy to something else is a choice, and one that could be very lucrative for those with sufficient foresight. It's called investment, and not just monetarily. It's an investment in the current and future well being of the human race. I would much rather get started now than have it traumatically forced upon us with all the accompanying problems later.
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I'm not too bright - I don't get the politics of global warming.

China is the single-largest contributor to carbon emissions
(one quarter of the entire world) and everyone thinks that's
ok.

When China (25%), India (6%) and Russia (6%) get serious
about reducing carbon emissions, then it's worthwhile talking
about. Without them, it's a joke.

Can someone explain to me why environmentalists aren't
protesting every day outside the Chinese embassy about
carbon emissions? Is it because they're left-wing that they
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