Cargojet flying on behalf of Amerijet?

[slob driver]

Heard a rumor that Cargojet is flying freight on behalf of Amerijet in the States while their pilots are on strike. Is this true? If it is, that is not cool.

[FLYN FR8]

Yes it is true. There is a B762 in the air right now.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJT1 ... /KMIA/TTPP

[Obbie]

Cargojet Pilots = xxxxxxxx

[flying4dollars]

Cargojet Pilots = xxxx

.....this should go over well...

(i knew to check pprune after reading this..)

http://www.pprune.org/canada/387017-ple ... rijet.html

[Troubleshot]

I would say any CargoJet pilot that refused to fly given the current state of the industry would be quickly shown the door. It is the company (CargoJet) that is making the decision to deploy their aircraft south of the border, not the pilot group.

[ourkid2000]

I would say any CargoJet pilot that refused to fly given the current state of the industry would be quickly shown the door. It is the company (CargoJet) that is making the decision to deploy their aircraft south of the border, not the pilot group.

This is true, however, there are other ways to deal with it other than straight out refusing. I don't believe in being a "SCAB"....It isn't cool.

[teacher]

Not cool to be back stabbing fellow pilots however with no union protection themselves, any CJ pilot refusing to do this work would surely be fired.

No surprise though.

[Pratt X 3]

http://scabvision.ning.com/photo/photo/ ... 6s21cf2hcc

[Changes in Latitudes]

Not cool to be back stabbing fellow pilots however with no union protection themselves, any CJ pilot refusing to do this work would surely be fired.

No surprise though.

Exactly...these guys have kids to feed too. They have no choice on which flying they can and cannot do. Sorry kids, its a horribly ugly industry.

[FLYN FR8]

Not cool to be back stabbing fellow pilots however with no union protection themselves, any CJ pilot refusing to do this work would surely be fired.

No surprise though.

Exactly...these guys have kids to feed too. They have no choice on which flying they can and cannot do. Sorry kids, its a horribly ugly industry.

They are scabs. God bless their souls they will not find work at any decent union carrier.

If America came into Canada to break a strike your socialist government would be all over CNN crying rape.

[FLYN FR8]

Photos removed: too close to a personal attack. Emotions will understandably run high, but please refrain from the personal attacks. We have allowed the external link above to remain. - Widow

[Changes in Latitudes]

Not cool to be back stabbing fellow pilots however with no union protection themselves, any CJ pilot refusing to do this work would surely be fired.

No surprise though.

Exactly...these guys have kids to feed too. They have no choice on which flying they can and cannot do. Sorry kids, its a horribly ugly industry.

They are scabs. God bless their souls they will not find work at any decent union carrier.

If America came into Canada to break a strike your socialist government would be all over CNN crying rape.

Ok then, what is their course of action in this scenario? Crew Sked calls this afternoon, its a charter to Dallas. You arrive at the airport to find that the flight information has Amerijet all over it. You now do what???

[FLYN FR8]

Ok then, what is their course of action in this scenario? Crew Sked calls this afternoon, its a charter to Dallas. You arrive at the airport to find that the flight information has Amerijet all over it. You now do what???

You refuse to fly struck work, and wait for the company to find you a new trip. Hopefully there is something in your FOM that says you get to go to a hotel after X hours sitting at an airport doing nothing.

Pretty simple. No excuses.

A scab, is a scab, is a scab. Foreign scabs are worse.

Are you a scab?

On other message boards it's been made very clear there are a few CargoJet pilots on here. Hopefully they are not scabbing.

[Pratt X 3]

Labor Rallies to Support Striking Amerijet Pilots, Flight Engineers

Amerijet Now Attempting To Outsource Cargo Operations to Foreign Carrier

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla., Aug. 30 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Teamster pilots and flight engineers of Fort Lauderdale-based Amerijet Air Cargo remain on strike in their demands for a first contract providing for fair wages and benefits and safe and sanitary working conditions.

Major passenger and cargo airline pilot groups across the United States have joined with the 62 Amerijet flight deck crewmembers and are showing their support for the South Florida-based pilots, flight engineers and their families. In addition to those pilot groups from the U.S. cargo and passenger airlines that have promised to not carry Amerijet freight on their aircraft, several major national trucking firms have also joined in support, including UPS, YRC and ABF. At Miami International Airport, Teamster-represented maintenance workers and cleaners are also refusing to cross the picket lines at the cargo facility on the west side of the airport.

In a desperate attempt to begin moving hundreds of thousands of pounds of perishable and time-critical freight that is growing daily since Thursday when the airline walked out of negotiations, Amerijet's management is now attempting to hire foreign airlines to stem the backlog of undelivered freight. The Teamsters are also fielding reports that Amerijet management has begun a campaign of threatening crewmembers if they don't cross the picket lines.

Pilots from UPS, Atlas Air, and Kalitta, all of which are Amerijet competitors, have joined the Amerijet pilots and flight engineers in large numbers. Additionally, the pilot unions at American, US Airways, Southwest and others have joined the Amerijet pilots and flight engineers on the picket lines and are contributing their time and money in support. Other South Florida unions, as well as organized labor in the Caribbean and South America, are also supporting the strikers.

Florida Democrat U.S. Rep Alcee Hastings is deeply troubled and concerned that Amerijet has exhibited such a cavalier and callous disregard for the safety and sanitary conditions of its pilots and flight engineers. Hastings is a nationally and internationally acclaimed champion of working people, and works tirelessly to protect their fundamental human rights. He also is dismayed that any air transportation company would insist on a sick leave policy that punishes people for calling off sick by docking their pay. Such a policy, especially when used by Amerijet against its pilots and flight engineers - who are among the lowest paid in the entire industry - forces the crewmembers to fly sick. Such a policy is dangerous and unsafe. It is also eerily similar to the commuter air tragedy in Buffalo, N.Y., earlier this year, where one of the pilots killed in that terrible accident was so sick that she should not even have entered to cockpit but felt that she could not afford to call off sick.

Hastings says he is also concerned that Amerijet's largest stock holder, a Miami-based investment company HIG Capital, has not taken steps to ensure that Amerijet maintains safe, sanitary and fair working conditions. The Teamsters are also troubled by HIG's apparent lack of concern over this matter. No company should capitalize on the misery of its workers. The Teamsters are hopeful that HIG Capital will play a constructive role in resolving the dispute caused by Amerijet's management team.

The Teamsters urge Amerijet's CEO David Bassett to his senses and correct the mess that he and his management team have created. Had he spent as much time negotiating in good faith and integrity as has trying to break the spirit of the striking pilots and flight engineers with intimidation, lies and fear, there would never have been a strike. Instead, he and his management team have misled Amerijet's customers and are now trying desperately to find foreign airlines and employees who will take U.S. jobs and fly a small portion of his customers' cargo to cover up for his bad management.

There is also a concern that Bassett is scrambling to move to market -- on a priority basis over Amerijet's other customers -- perishable fish from another company in which he holds an ownership interest. Since he has been unsuccessful in having U.S. carriers' pilots cross the picket lines, earlier today he and his management team turned to Ontario, Canada-based Cargojet Ltd., to enter the United States and fly across the picket lines.

Today, Cargojet flew into Miami to pick up Amerijet's cargo that is set for delivery to Port of Spain, Trinidad. In outsourcing its cargo operations to a foreign airline, they are signaling that they have no interest in being an honest American company and will bring as many foreign nationals as needed into the U.S. to take American jobs and make a profit off American workers.

Founded in 1903, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters represents more than 1.4 million hardworking men and women throughout the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico.

SOURCE International Brotherhood of Teamsters

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRelea ... 995&EDATE=

[North Shore]

If America came into Canada to break a strike your socialist government would be all over CNN crying rape.

Yeah, well look what a capitalist government that you guys seem to keep electing does for ya...

edited to add, lest I seem less than sympathetic, poor show on CJ's behalf, getting themselves and their employees involved in a labour dispute.

[Changes in Latitudes]

Are you a scab?

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I am not a scab, I fly under a large union banner, don't start with that. My point was it's a very difficult situation to BE PUT IN. Cargojet pilots are PUT in this place and are left with a tough decision that I think is a lose-lose scenario. Pass on the work, you may just pass on your job.
I'm not here to play touchy feely do whats right scenarios, I understand your philosophical stance, and you're right we're not backing eachother up by continuing to work on another's behalf. My only consideration is that it isn't as easy as you may think when you have ZERO support on your side of the desk.

[The Clipper]

Any pilot called upon to do his/her job is obligated to perform the task at hand....end of story. The fact that Cargojet was a foreign operator only fuels the fire in the middle of a job action. It had nothing to do with their pilots or nationality so posting their pictures and calling our brothers scabs is a bit too much.

If Cargojet did do some sub-service flying for Amerijet - they did so because they are a non-union organization. Ever stop and ask yourself why they are a non-union organization? Could it be that they are treated better than Union Shops that tend to have contemptuous relationships with their membership and management?

I feel for my colleagues to the south and hope some of the work rules they have had to endure are embellished. I wish them a speedy end to this dispute.

[Sulako]

I don't think scab flying is right.

That being said, I want to make it really clear that it's not okay to post pictures of alleged scabs in this thread or on this forum. The liability potential is pretty high with that sort of thing. Just so we are all on the same page here

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Any pilot called upon to do his/her job is obligated to perform the task at hand....end of story. The fact that Cargojet was a foreign operator only fuels the fire in the middle of a job action. It had nothing to do with their pilots or nationality so posting their pictures and calling our brothers scabs is a bit too much.

If Cargojet did do some sub-service flying for Amerijet - they did so because they are a non-union organization. Ever stop and ask yourself why they are a non-union organization? Could it be that they are treated better than Union Shops that tend to have contemptuous relationships with their membership and management?

I feel for my colleagues to the south and hope some of the work rules they have had to endure are embellished. I wish them a speedy end to this dispute.

It's easy to get emotionally charged over this. I've seen it, heard it, and lived it before.

18 years ago I spent 18 months on the picket line during the longest labour dispute in Canadian Aviation history. Not fun. But I got schooled on how things work.

I agree with the above post. It's all true. Take it from an old dog, try to keep your emotions in check...on here or in person.

[FLYN FR8]

You cannot rationalize flying struck work can you? Are you really trying to? Above all going into another country and doing so? This is complete trash.

CargoJet Pilots who have flown Amerijet trips are scabs. Their names have been taken as well, I am proud to announce.

[The Clipper]

You cannot rationalize flying struck work can you? Are you really trying to? Above all going into another country and doing so? This is complete trash.

CargoJet Pilots who have flown Amerijet trips are scabs. Their names have been taken as well, I am proud to announce.

Flyn Fr8 - I guess you are just one of those simple minded, hard nose, unistic people who don't understand simple commerce.

Ive been flying for 17 years in a union enviroment and understand the need to support our brothers. However you missed the point entirely!

These guys have been centered out and are being punished publicly by the likes of you! Who gives you the right to judge them? They are hard working people (probably like yourself) and instead of reading the thread.....you threaten to expose them to the world. WHO CARES WHO THEY ARE!!!!

And now to announce to the entire forum that you have taken the names of the pilots who were requested to fly a mission? And announce it happily leads to many questions about your motives here.

Lets take this down a notch and understand that it is our collective desire to have our Amerijet cousins ratify a fair deal with the company. But we should NOT persecute those who have been called into service to support the company.....who I might add....need cash to pay for the very pilots who are striking....

Good luck to Amerijet and their Pilots....I for one see both sides of this issue.

Cheers

[Troubleshot]

You cannot rationalize flying struck work can you? Are you really trying to? Above all going into another country and doing so? This is complete trash.

CargoJet Pilots who have flown Amerijet trips are scabs. Their names have been taken as well, I am proud to announce.

Yeah and so what if they are, If you knew anything about what is going on in our industry up here (and I know you don't because your a self-centered yankee) you would know that CargoJet is in rough shape itself and turning work away could be catastrophic to this Canadian company.

It sucks that other guys are getting shaft south of the border but if CargoJet turned down this work BOTH companies are getting screw in one way or another. Is one more right? I don't know.

I don't think you understand the situation that the CargoJet crowd are faced with here, they HAVE TO DO WHAT THERE EMPLOYER TELLS THEM TO DO...Clear enough?...they do not have a union to protect them from getting fired if they refuse to fly.

I understand your pissed, but these are our brothers and sisters up here so we (or at least I) will stand by them in the tough times (right or wrong). If you want to bitch do it elsewhere cause will not get sympathy from me for an American carrier.

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You cannot rationalize flying struck work can you? Are you really trying to? Above all going into another country and doing so? This is complete trash.

Dude...I fought my battle 18 years ago...it's a $shit a$$ situation for EVERYONE involved. I respect your opinion...because I've been there. Not many on here can say that. Not many on here can say that. However, in my tested experience, targeting the pilots group @ CJ is unfair...and it's also unfair of me to say that (for too many reasons to write) but that is the reality.

CargoJet Pilots who have flown Amerijet trips are scabs. Their names have been taken as well, I am proud to announce.

...and then what brother? It was announced here years back that all the Jetsgo pilots names were also taken down by some AC pilots that vowed they would never work there. Thankfully, they have all moved on. On to AC, WJ, Transat and over seas jobs. It is, what it is.

[Double Wasp]

[/quote]You cannot rationalize flying struck work can you? Are you really trying to? Above all going into another country and doing so? This is complete trash.

CargoJet Pilots who have flown Amerijet trips are scabs. Their names have been taken as well, I am proud to announce.[/quote]

I love how unions work, veiled threats and intimidation. I have seen it many times before. And you have the balls to call us socialists.

If you would like a rationalization how about; This is a legitimate charter and the employees of a non union firm can not legally refuse legitimate work. So are they supposed to essentially quit their job so you can keep yours. Why don't the striking pilots quit instead then they will not have to put up with their working conditions any longer and if there is enough attrition the company will be forced to change. Its called martyrdom. This will not happen however as everyone is thinking how crappy the economy is and how hard it will be to find a job. So it is easier to dump on someone who is trying to put food on the table. Give your head a shake.

Intimidating people does not grow sympathy for your cause. In fact it shows a lack of intelligence, not all that surprising considering. Shouldn't you be contacting your government members and using the lobbying power of your union to convince the powers that be to stop this, instead of attacking the people with the least amount of power to do anything.

DW

[frequentflyer]

The one thing that really pisses me off is when people with absolutely no idea on a specific subject feel that they can go ahead and bash a whole group of people without even having all the facts, shame on you..shame on you .

You cannot rationalize flying struck work can you? Are you really trying to? Above all going into another country and doing so? This is complete trash.

CargoJet Pilots who have flown Amerijet trips are scabs. Their names have been taken as well, I am proud to announce.