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Pilot should get tips ?

Post by dunkafa » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:43 am

Well as the golden age of aviation is long gone and the companies pay minimum wage, why not introducing tips ?
Taxi drivers get tips, everyone and anyone get tips... i mean when i go in vacation in the US, mexico... their is tips for everyone so why not the pilots.
The public still think that pilots are overpay and companies keep that illusion alive but its time to inform the public that pilot eat kraft diner and live with roommates to survive.
Am i sarcastic here ? maybe.
What do you think ?
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by timel » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:57 am

People don't care if pilots eat craft dinner, they only care to go from a to b the cheapest way possible. It is up to pilots to regroup and protect the profession.
I never sent my resume to airlines where I would end up eating craft dinner.


The only time I got tips was by doing city tours with a cessna in a touristic place. Good souvenirs.
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by Vern » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:05 am

Tips make up around 25% of my income, maybe you guys are in the wrong part of aviation :D
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by Eric Janson » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:42 am

dunkafa wrote:Well as the golden age of aviation is long gone and the companies pay minimum wage, why not introducing tips ?
Taxi drivers get tips, everyone and anyone get tips... i mean when i go in vacation in the US, mexico... their is tips for everyone so why not the pilots.
The public still think that pilots are overpay and companies keep that illusion alive but its time to inform the public that pilot eat kraft diner and live with roommates to survive.
Am i sarcastic here ? maybe.
What do you think ?
Strictly prohibited at all the Airlines I've flown for. I've even seen it written in OM-A at a number of places.

I think this is a pretty standard policy at most Airlines.
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by dunkafa » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:08 pm

Yeah i know its prohibited in airlines, the question is why ? as the companies can't afford to pay pilots enough they should rely on good old trick other employers use aka tips.
I know in bush flying pilot get really good tips by flying "americans" fishermen to lodge.
I'm not complaining cuz i get a good where i'm now but i was looking into jazz and encore, i have friends there and they are having hard time...
Maybe it should be in the next bargaining with your employer ah ah...
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by jet a1 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:37 pm

I get all the tips I need, right here, on avcanada!
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Post by Cat Driver » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:40 pm

The best tip I ever got was for $10,000.00 USD when the US dollar was over $ 1.50 Canadian.
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by FOD_Vacuum » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:42 pm

In the 3 years of commercial flying, I have received two different tips from passengers. First was a $20 bill from a world traveler checking out Northern MB fishing lodges after dropping him off, and the second was a $50 tip from an oil rig worker I flew from Ft Frances to Winnipeg. I filled up my car with the money which lasted me a week :).
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Post by reachfortheskies » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:36 am

As a pilot you know that starting out you will not be making a lot of money. Not saying that the tips would'nt be nice but I would rather seem respectful and hope that my work ethic and personality can help expand my network and land me a better paying job.
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Post by reachfortheskies » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:38 am

As a pilot you know that starting out you will not be making a lot of money. Not saying that the tips would'nt be nice but I would rather seem respectful and hope that my work ethic and personality can help expand my network and land me a better paying job.
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Post by Rowdy » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:57 pm

The floaters get tips all the time!
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Post by skat0r » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:42 pm

timel wrote:People don't care if pilots eat craft dinner, they only care to go from a to b the cheapest way possible. It is up to pilots to regroup and protect the profession.
I never sent my resume to airlines where I would end up eating craft dinner.
Yeah, because people care about what a taxi driver or a waiter eats right?
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by KK7 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:19 pm

Because bus drivers don't get tips.

Industries and jobs that typically get tips are ones where personal service is provided such as wait staff, drivers of taxis and limos, and people who handle your bags for you like the shuttle driver or the bell boy at the hotel. Not to belittle what we are doing in the flight deck, but from the standpoint of a passenger pilots are hidden away in the flight deck from the time they board to the time the deplane, and behind a closed door the whole flight. There is no personal service and zero personal connection. Tips were traditionally for going above and beyond, and I don't think most passengers want to know if we had to go above and beyond just to get them to their destination safely.

I hate the concept of tipping, but if anyone is to get tips, it should be the flight attendants for the service they provide in the cabin.
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Post by Chuck Ellsworth » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:09 pm

Not to belittle what we are doing in the flight deck, but from the standpoint of a passenger pilots are hidden away in the flight deck from the time they board to the time the deplane, and behind a closed door the whole flight.
How about those who deal directly with the customer in the airplane like bush pilots.

Or they not really pilots yet?
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by seasonaldriver » Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:41 am

Tipping in the bush pilot world seems to be a hit and miss thing. Ontario bush pilots seem to get a lot more tips than Manitoba pilots for example.

I have heard that putting a sign up inside the plane that says "tipping your pilot will help him remember where he left you" increases tips...
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Post by Panama Jack » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:19 am

It is an interesting suggestion. Since we are often talking about the new business model of airlines and Ultra-Low Cost Airlines, maybe this is the next step. After all, restaurants often don't pay waiters and waitresses even the minimum age, making them rely on tips instead to pay bills. Perhaps airline management on the Ultra Low-Cost or Mega-Low Cost (that will be phase 3) companies will catch on. Don't tip the pilots and cabin crew; get surly service and who knows what as a flight experience?
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by timel » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:08 am

It would make no sense to start giving tips in an airplane. Employers just have to give decent wages.

I think it is nice in bars and restaurants and you can make good money, but in airline operations, it would affect the service and change employees priorities. Flight attendants first role in an aircraft is pax safety.

In bush and touristic activities, always nice to get a tip, but you don't count on it to make a living. It paid for the drinks in my case.
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by Kosiw » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:22 am

Won't be long before there is an STC approved for a tip jar mounting bracket on Jazz and Encore planes considering the wages.
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by KK7 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:10 am

. . wrote: How about those who deal directly with the customer in the airplane like bush pilots.

Or they not really pilots yet?
Sorry ., not falling for that one. This is the Airline Industry forum, so as such I assumed we're talking about airlines.
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by Rowdy » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:42 pm

KK7 are you saying Harbour Air is not an Airline? How about the other seaplane operators that are scheduled services?


I found the tips better in MB. Depends on the lodge. Some have trained their clients/customers to tip, some haven't. I almost gave up flying to be a guide at one.. the tips alone were huge. Too bad I can't find fish for the life of me... :rolleyes:
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by KK7 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:50 am

Rowdy wrote:KK7 are you saying Harbour Air is not an Airline? How about the other seaplane operators that are scheduled services?
I don't know, is Harbour Air a 705 operation?

Anyways, the point was what most people perceive as an airline the pilots sit behind a closed ballistic door, and do not provide any personal service to the passengers. In my opinion that does not deserve any kind of tipping. If you're operating a sea plane and providing personal service from bringing passengers down to the dock, getting them in the airplane, loading their bags, then yes a case can be made for a tip, and from what I understand many do tip in this instance. So what's the argument here?
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by goldeneagle » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:03 pm

If you are of the mindset that pilots should be tipped for service, you are confirming then that the job of pilot is just a minimum wage service industry position, and should be paid accordingly.
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by Rowdy » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:31 am

Cab drivers and bus drivers now mostly sit behind a lexan shield and provide no service other than getting you safely to your destination. I think the whole argument is a waste of time. Why don't we all band together and strive for some higher wages?

705 is solely the regulatory segment called 'airline'. That does not mean there are other operations that don't act and operate as a scheduled provider or transportation services.
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Post by Thunderbyrd » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:12 pm

goldeneagle wrote:If you are of the mindset that pilots should be tipped for service, you are confirming then that the job of pilot is just a minimum wage service industry position, and should be paid accordingly.
Everyone in an airline is paid close to minimum wage, why should a pilot be different?
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Re: Pilot should get tips ?

Post by toretto » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:22 pm

Maybe tips should be set up as lets say 15% gratuity for each ticket purchased. You work a flight and the 15% is distributed between the crew. Or all Pilots in Canada take a "National Pilot Day" to relax and watch all the foreign carriers come in while sipping on lemonade. I guess you can look at all your aircraft sit on the ramp all pretty too. Pilot pay is such a stale topic that needs to be addressed by now.
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