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Re: 7F and 5T Codesharing flights.

#26 Post by thirdtimecharm » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:45 am

Still some rumours of a sale of one or both of the code share partners in the new year. Both airlines seem to be rushing to make their balance sheet look as positive as possible in the short term to increase their sale price at the expense of any longer term decisions.

There is no way either of these airlines' management group feels like they are in this for the long haul... they wouldn't go so far out of their way to completely piss off their customers so much.
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Re: 7F and 5T Codesharing flights.

#27 Post by ettw » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:22 pm

Well you could make all of your customers happy. Then you go broke. Finally the airline who is still in business has a monopoly...for a while.

Id be able to hear all of the complaining from 1200 miles away.

It's expensive running a northern airline and I doubt even with all of this codeshareing and cost cutting that either of our companies are making much money.

You don't want to pay big ticket prices to get around, move South.

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Re: 7F and 5T Codesharing flights.

#28 Post by Donald » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:17 pm

Renewed merger talks in 5...4...3...2...1
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Re: 7F and 5T Codesharing flights.

#29 Post by thirdtimecharm » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:33 pm

You won't merge with someone you can't feel that you can trust at all.

Maybe bought out by the same group?
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Re: 7F and 5T Codesharing flights.

#30 Post by Minimums » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:57 pm

Fact. It's two companies with historical roots that provide them with the inability to get along for any length of time.

Fact. Someone up there has figured out that they can make money and sub-charter someone else to do they're work cheaper with scab pilots/scuzzy operator, than to operate their own work themselves.

Speculation. Other operator watching this unfold will soon bring in a outside scab operator of their own to remain competitive, and the North will have a sky regional/Georgian warm and fuzzy feeling to it while the instability continues to grow.

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Re: 7F and 5T Codesharing flights.

#31 Post by fish4life » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:06 pm

How is the other code share going with MO?
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Re: 7F and 5T Codesharing flights.

#32 Post by wallflower » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:17 pm

As a punter I wouldn't be too happy if I bought an expensive seat on a reputable scheduled carrier like First Air or Canadian and then find myself travelling with some ratty tatty charter outfit of questionable competence.
Genuine code sharing has advantages and purposes for the partners but it seems that 7F and 5T have misunderstood what it's all about.
They will surely suffer if they go on mucking about like this.
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Re: 7F and 5T Codesharing flights.

#33 Post by bmc » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:45 am

Brock knows what he's doing when it comes to code share. While at Canadian, Brock put the CP/BA deal together along with CP/LH, CP/QF/NZ, CP/PR/Mandarin Airlines. After CP, he became VP Strategy for Star Alliance.

I have no idea about the other team.
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Re: 7F and 5T Codesharing flights.

#34 Post by Redneck_pilot86 » Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:24 pm

plhought wrote:
Mr. North wrote:Are they testing something because I thought their machines were already gravel certified?
My understanding is although the aircraft is equipped/approved for gravel, there is some MTOW penalties associated with it.

One can get dispensation from BAe to allow near-full weight unprepared-surface operations on a per machine, per operator, per aerodrome basis. Probably involves some numbers (CBR, accelerate-stop distances...etc).
Apparently TC didn't accept the gravel testing that was done initially. Made summit do a whole bunch on various density gravel runways. They were in Dawson for a week, few days in Mayo, and some in Cambridge, not sure where else. I helped them out moving a bunch of sandbags for a verbal agreement of a case of beer a day, the bastards stiffed me so I sent an invoice for the 9 hours of labour, which I haven't seen a nickel from. I hope karma gets them back.
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Re: 7F and 5T Codesharing flights.

#35 Post by leftoftrack » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:33 am

Redneck_pilot86 wrote:
plhought wrote:
Mr. North wrote:Are they testing something because I thought their machines were already gravel certified?
My understanding is although the aircraft is equipped/approved for gravel, there is some MTOW penalties associated with it.

One can get dispensation from BAe to allow near-full weight unprepared-surface operations on a per machine, per operator, per aerodrome basis. Probably involves some numbers (CBR, accelerate-stop distances...etc).
Apparently TC didn't accept the gravel testing that was done initially. Made summit do a whole bunch on various density gravel runways. They were in Dawson for a week, few days in Mayo, and some in Cambridge, not sure where else. I helped them out moving a bunch of sandbags for a verbal agreement of a case of beer a day, the bastards stiffed me so I sent an invoice for the 9 hours of labour, which I haven't seen a nickel from. I hope karma gets them back.
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