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Re: Any Type rated 737 Canadian pilots still out there ?

#26 Post by Jean-Luc Monette » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:45 am

You're tilting at windmills, DH8...

In fact, my last two SCs, who were hired less than 5 years ago, didn't speak a word of french when hired (one still barely does), and the captain who took over from me this morning, a 15 years veteran at least, still doesn't speak french...

I could go on, but I'm not sure you'll ever get the point because from reading your posts, you seem hellbent on discrediting Air Transat's hiring practices.
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#27 Post by rudder » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:13 pm

After 2-3 years of hearing about how SW should be hiring exclusively Canadian pilots, including seasonal DEC, AT now looks more like SW.

No seasonal DEC except the foreign pilots flying the multiple wet lease aircraft.

Bravo.
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#28 Post by sanjet » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:24 pm

rudder wrote:After 2-3 years of hearing about how SW should be hiring exclusively Canadian pilots, including seasonal DEC, AT now looks more like SW.

No seasonal DEC except the foreign pilots flying the multiple wet lease aircraft.

Bravo.
I don't think Air Transat wet leases with foreign pilots. Unless things have changed.
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#29 Post by Jean-Luc Monette » Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:22 pm

rudder wrote:After 2-3 years of hearing about how SW should be hiring exclusively Canadian pilots, including seasonal DEC, AT now looks more like SW.

No seasonal DEC except the foreign pilots flying the multiple wet lease aircraft.

Bravo.
So far, Air Transat hasn't used ANY foreign pilots flying C-reg a/c on FLVCs as opposed to what Sunwing did for many years...

If it happens, Air Transat will be wet leasing no more than 20% of their permanent fleet, as is permitted by law.
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#30 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:54 am

So far, Air Transat has never made use of Foreign Pilots, nor has it ever made use of Foreign Wet-Leases unless it was for a short term emergency (AOG etc).

Skyservice, Sunwing, Canjet and Westjet all have.

After Sunwing indicated to the CTA in 2013 that their interpretation the Air Transportation Regulations (ATR) put no limit on the number of Foreign Wet-Leases that they could apply for and that the CTA agreed with their interpretation, all major airlines and pilot unions protested and objected to that interpretation, leading the Transport Minister of the time to write a new Foreign Wet Lease Policy to put a limit on the number of foreign Wet-Leases a company could use. It is this policy that imposed a limit of 20% of the Canadian fleet on the OC, at the time of application. ALPA and Transat both opposed that even that policy, finding it still too permissive.

Sunwing has been using Forein Wet-Lease every year since 2012, in addition to hiring TFW pilots to fly Canadian Registered Sunwing aircraft using FLVCs.

Now that Transat is considering using for itself a policy that it has opposed from day one, people are shocked ? I think it is just rolling with the punches.

Westjet wet-leased foreign 757s to do its Hawaii runs for several years. Who opposed it ?
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#31 Post by rudder » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:34 pm

Gilles,

That is an accurate history lesson, but this thread is about winter 2015/2016.

How is Transat Holidays meeting its lift requirements for the upcoming winter travel season? And who will be flying those aircraft?
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#32 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:52 pm

How ? With a pilot roster that had topped 500 full time pilots, that is how.

I understand that we plan to operate about 34 aircraft this winter. That comes out to over 7 crews per aircraft.


Sunwing plans to operate about 37 aircraft, and it has about 280 full time pilots, to which it will add about 80 seasonal pilots, for a total of 360 pilots. That is 9.7 crews per aircraft. The shortfall will be made up with Wet-Lease pilots.

I think that the talk of Wet-Leases is a stop gap backup plan, in case we are short, not of pilots as a whole, but of pilots trained on the right aircraft in time for the season.
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Re: Any Type rated 737 Canadian pilots still out there ?

#33 Post by Dh8Classic » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:14 pm

Jean-Luc Monette wrote:You're tilting at windmills, DH8...

In fact, my last two SCs, who were hired less than 5 years ago, didn't speak a word of french when hired (one still barely does), and the captain who took over from me this morning, a 15 years veteran at least, still doesn't speak french...

I could go on, but I'm not sure you'll ever get the point because from reading your posts, you seem hellbent on discrediting Air Transat's hiring practices.
Jean-Luc,

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and take your word on what you say.

But could you or Gilles please specifically and directly answer the question.

Why is Gilles being told(almost certainly by an insider) that there were no qualified applicants for 737NG positions when we have three unilingual anglos on this thread stating they are qualified and applied. Are all three lying?

I really don't think that this is an unfair question, does anyone else?

No ranting comments from anyone please(including myself), just a calm clear answer to a legitimate question. Please provide a direct answer and not change the subject.
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Re: Any Type rated 737 Canadian pilots still out there ?

#34 Post by BBQ Chips » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:36 pm

Gilles Hudicourt wrote:So far, Air Transat has never made use of Foreign Pilots, nor has it ever made use of Foreign Wet-Leases unless it was for a short term emergency (AOG etc).
In general I am a supporter of Gilles, but is this statement accurate? Has Air Transat never made use (or money) off a foreign pilot? I am not well versed in this area but hasn't Canjet flown with TFW on Transats behalf for years now? To say that Transat is new to this game is a bit of a stretch. I appreciate and agree with Gilles fight, but let's keep facts straight.
Sincerely, Please correct me if I am wrong...
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Re: Any Type rated 737 Canadian pilots still out there ?

#35 Post by rudder » Sat Aug 29, 2015 9:04 am

Once again, I believe the point of this thread is the 2015/2016 staffing plan for AT.

So, anybody with facts you are welcome to fill in the blanks.
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#36 Post by OPEC6-Heavy » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:45 pm

BBQ Chips,
You are correct in your question. Yes, Air Transat has used Thomas Cook airlines from the UK to carry Canadian Air Transat passengers. They acquired "Canadian Affair" a UK based company in 2006 along with the Thomas Cook retail Travel Agency chain in Canada. This created the link-up with Thomas Cook the airline.

Gilles,
So far, Air Transat has never made use of Foreign Pilots, nor has it ever made use of Foreign Wet-Leases unless it was for a short term emergency (AOG etc).
Skyservice, Sunwing, Canjet and Westjet all have.
Don't forget Air Canada, Wet-Lease B767 Euro-Atlantic last summer. And of course the biggest Foreign pilot fiasco the "Star Alliance"
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