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#26 Post by crazyaviator » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:28 pm

Excellent last post!
IF a christian did not believe and follow the new testament, they would be either a marginal christian, christian by name only or a fake christian.
IF a Muslim did not believe and follow the Quaran, they would be either a marginal muslim, muslim by name only or a fake muslim !
IRONICALLY, Following the Quaran will encourage and DEMAND of its adherent to think of all other unbelievers as scum, trash and unclean, will encourage physical violence against all non-muslims, raping little girls, slavery and lying and deceipt against non-believers. and ultimate world domination under Islam and sharia law.
All these things are Mohammads and according to him, Allahs wishes!!!
Like i've said before, throw the baby out with the bathwater :D

Just to keep on topic, It looks like we are pulling our CF-18 s out of the conflict region BRAVO Justin !!!
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#27 Post by crazyaviator » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:30 pm

Just to even the score, you might want to look up the crusades of the Catholic church in the dark ages to see another Cult religion and its ill effects upon the world :)
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#28 Post by Boreas » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:00 pm

Are we off oil yet? NO!? Well, lets do that!

Muslim extremism will die-down within one or two generation. The Middle East will be no different than SS Africa - not great, but much better.

Keep the the CF18s for when the Ruskies get creative in the Arctic.
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#29 Post by Strobes » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:10 am

What the Middle East needs the most right now is stability.

Political, Economic, Environmental stability.

The US F'ed up by getting rid of the Talibans, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Ghadaffi, and now trying to get Bashr Al-Assad. All of these men, while dictators, were sources of stability in their countries. Yes, I know, mostly by crackdowns and repression, but sources of stability nonetheless.

AQ and ISIL are filling a power vacuum right now created by the removal of previous regimes. Now we see that they are building up in the Sinai and Tunisia too.

Whereas all the afore-mentioned governments fell, Al-Assad's government is the only one that still stands today. Al-Assad is the only source of stability in these countries affected by AQ and IS.

What the West SHOULD do, but THEY WON'T, is support Al-Assad. That's what Russia is doing right now - Putin is the only one not blinded by NATO politics.

Support Al-Assad, and provide help and aid on certain conditions (no crackdowns on captured areas, the stopping of barrel bombings by the SAF, etc), and you will find IS on the run within weeks. You will then find the tide of Syrian Refugees will stop, and IS weakened so bad that a few thousand Iraqi soldiers take back the North of their country.
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#30 Post by Strobes » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:15 am

Boreas wrote:Are we off oil yet? NO!? Well, lets do that!

Muslim extremism will die-down within one or two generation. The Middle East will be no different than SS Africa - not great, but much better.

Keep the the CF18s for when the Ruskies get creative in the Arctic.
Good luck getting off oil. Oil has entered a downturn because of supply glut and will stay low for a long time. So the world will burn it.

Because of that, living conditions in the ME will go lower, and extremism will actually rise - "angry poor people looking for someone to blame". Kinda like Oct 19.

Russia will never become the superpower it was in the 20th century again in our lifetimes. Demographics, commodity extraction-based economy in a secular bear commodity market. I'm more worried about the US when it's society collapses in the next decades.
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#31 Post by timel » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:43 am

Strobes wrote: Good luck getting off oil. Oil has entered a downturn because of supply glut and will stay low for a long time. So the world will burn it.

Because of that, living conditions in the ME will go lower, and extremism will actually rise - "angry poor people looking for someone to blame". Kinda like Oct 19.

I find it hard to believe the OPEC will crash itself to the ground, theoretically if the oil barrel stays at 50$, it is the end of Saudi Arabia in less than 5 years.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/25/investi ... ddle-east/

After all this years, I don't understand why those countries still have an oil dependent economy and yes the actual prices are hurting Iran and Russia as well.
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#32 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:58 am

Meanwhile:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4f3b5708-0903 ... z3rlieBqlQ
Saudi Arabia to boost defence spending by 27% over five years

Saudi Arabia is on track to become the world’s fifth-largest military spender by 2020 as it boosts its defence budget by 27 per cent over the next five years despite lower oil prices.
Other sources claim Saudi Defence spending is already in third place.....
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#33 Post by scopiton » Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:29 am

crazyaviator wrote:Just to even the score, you might want to look up the crusades of the Catholic church in the dark ages to see another Cult religion and its ill effects upon the world :)
One can think that current conflict opposing orient and occident has its roots in the very first crusade and from bad political decisions concerning this region and its tribes since WWII.
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#35 Post by crazyaviator » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:41 pm

One final note on Comparisons:

A TRUE muslim will wage wars, will practice slavery, will rape, will treat women as chattel, will look down on all other peoples, will kill other muslims for apostacy, will lie and cheat to non-believers, and will subjucate christians and "jews" with a tax and as a conquered people. The reason WHY they are to do this is that it is in their holy books!!!!! ALL others are apostate muslims!

A TRUE christian will be righteous ( not lie, steal, abuse, commit adultery, hate, follow organized cults, etc etc) A true christian is willing to die for the truth, be a martyr, live an honest life even if it results in poverty and suffering. THIS is in the NEW testament of the bible, A christians holy book ALL others are APOSTATE christians !

Truth HURTS ! Starting to see a picture here? :D
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#36 Post by Boreas » Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:48 pm

crazyaviator wrote:One final note on Comparisons:

A TRUE muslim will wage wars, will practice slavery, will rape, will treat women as chattel, will look down on all other peoples, will kill other muslims for apostacy, will lie and cheat to non-believers, and will subjucate christians and "jews" with a tax and as a conquered people. The reason WHY they are to do this is that it is in their holy books!!!!! ALL others are apostate muslims!

A TRUE christian will be righteous ( not lie, steal, abuse, commit adultery, hate, follow organized cults, etc etc) A true christian is willing to die for the truth, be a martyr, live an honest life even if it results in poverty and suffering. THIS is in the NEW testament of the bible, A christians holy book ALL others are APOSTATE christians !

Truth HURTS ! Starting to see a picture here? :D
Yeah but it's 2015, and all of those mentioned above are religious idiots. Maybe Muslims and Christians can come together over that.
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#37 Post by HiLo » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:03 pm

A "true" Christian will also kill people for being gay or for being on Ashley Madison. Instead of pretending religion is a choice on a restoraunt menu (I'll have Islam with a side of bombs, or Christianity with a side of righteousness), imagine each religion to be a buffet: you get to pick and chose what you want (you can eat at the Muslim buffet and not take the spicy choices).
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#38 Post by Mr. North » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:50 pm

Strobes wrote:
Boreas wrote:Are we off oil yet? NO!? Well, lets do that!

Muslim extremism will die-down within one or two generation. The Middle East will be no different than SS Africa - not great, but much better.

Because of that, living conditions in the ME will go lower, and extremism will actually rise - "angry poor people looking for someone to blame". Kinda like Oct 19.

Russia will never become the superpower it was in the 20th century again in our lifetimes. Demographics, commodity extraction-based economy in a secular bear commodity market. I'm more worried about the US when it's society collapses in the next decades.
I'm a couple rums in but let me just add this...

The borders that define the Middle East were drawn by imperial Britain, France, and Italy. They purposely divided religions and cultures in order to maintain the upper hand. Now that imperialism is long gone what we'll witness over the next few decades is a total readjustment of the ME. Trying to enforce these imperialistic borders could very well be counter productive in the long run and only lead to more sectarian violence and civil wars.

Provided the US electorate vote for the right individuals, the US will not collapse. I'm an optimist but the good old USofA will not just fold like a cheap tent. Do I see some major political reforms occurring, for sure. If either outsiders (Trump or Sanders) get elected, it will be a game changer for the US electoral system. But I do not see a full scale collapse.

Regarding Russia, did you know that with the collapse of the USSR, 25 million Russian civilians were stateless in the lost eastern block territories? So when Putin talks about protecting Russian populations in foreign countries (ie Ukraine) it's a legitimate concern. Since the collapse, Russia has been treated like a drunken disaster of a country by the western powers. NATO should have been dissolved at the end of the Cold War but instead they've expanded right up to Russia's borders. The latest actions by Russia is their attempt to tell the world that they remain relevant and that their sphere of influence should be respected. If Mexico became a failed state, and Russia was some how peddling influence with anti-US rebels, how do you think the USA would react? I imagine their actions would mirror those of Russia's right now.

What's interesting now is Turkey (NATO member state) downing a Russian fighter jet. How will the west respond? I'm not a huge fan of Trudeau's forgein policy but I'm glad he did not pick sides in the immediate fallout.
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#39 Post by complexintentions » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:45 pm

What if we threw a party for 25,000 refugees, and no one came?
Canada is finding that many Syrian refugees are reluctant to travel so far afield, a stumbling block as the country works to identify thousands of newcomers to bring here within a matter of months.

Initial efforts in November by the United Nations to find Syrians in refugee camps keen on rapidly relocating thousands of kilometres to Canada as government-sponsored refugees bore relatively little fruit, new figures released by Ottawa show.

Only about 6.3 per cent of refugees contacted indicated they were interested in coming to Canada when the UN got in touch with them between Nov. 18 and 26. This was chiefly in Jordan but also in Lebanon.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... e27561756/

The refugee situation is not amusing. But the thought that JT and friends never even considered that maybe not everyone even WANTS to come to Canada, is...
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#40 Post by YYZSaabGuy » Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:30 am

complexintentions wrote:The refugee situation is not amusing. But the thought that JT and friends never even considered that maybe not everyone even WANTS to come to Canada, is...
Go ahead, CI, say it: "funny" is the word you're looking for. In fairness, they were likely busy with their rethinking of elements as basic as space and time, and going all science fictiony on us, in this sense. :shock:
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#41 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:31 am

The original thread, for which I was the OP, was about the possible airlift to Canada of 25,000 Syrian refugees, which is why it was posted under the Airline thread. A Mod deleted it, for reasons I fail to understand (but left this one).

It now seems that the contract was secured not by a canadian airline, as I had imagined, but by Royal Jordanian Airlines.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/polit ... emaine.php
Ottawa a par ailleurs conclu une entente avec Royal Jordanian Airlines en vue de la location d'appareils pour transporter les réfugiés syriens, a indiqué M. McCallum.
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#42 Post by complexintentions » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:19 pm

YYZSaabGuy wrote:
complexintentions wrote:The refugee situation is not amusing. But the thought that JT and friends never even considered that maybe not everyone even WANTS to come to Canada, is...
Go ahead, CI, say it: "funny" is the word you're looking for. In fairness, they were likely busy with their rethinking of elements as basic as space and time, and going all science fictiony on us, in this sense. :shock:
I was trying not to belittle the refugee crisis, which in spite of how folks like Gilles might think I see it, IS horrifying. I live and work everyday with people directly affected by it.

But the mental image of a bunch of idiots in Ottawa, convinced that everyone is just itching to move to Canada, cynically using it as a major election plank, and then finding out about 6% are actually interested, and trying to process that....IS FUNNY.
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#43 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:54 am

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#44 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:01 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ ... -1.3362633

First two plane loads were RCAF CC-150s who left Lebanon and made a fuel stop in Germany. Curious to know how the others will come.
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#45 Post by plhought » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:02 pm

Gilles Hudicourt wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ ... -1.3362633

First two plane loads were RCAF CC-150s who left Lebanon and made a fuel stop in Germany. Curious to know how the others will come.
Royal Jordanian Airlines apparently will be doing the rest. Guess no Canadian carriers were interested. The RFP (will try to find it somewhere) was pretty specific about direct flights from Lebanon to Canada, with no stops...which really limits the bids I guess.
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#46 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:27 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/s ... -1.3366345
Some 214 Syrian refugees arrived in Toronto Tuesday afternoon, the latest such mass transfer by the federal government.

The flight, chartered from Royal Jordanian Airlines, is the third to airlift refugees to Canada.
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#47 Post by termerair » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:51 pm

It sounds like a couple of Air Transat flights are scheduled next week out of Amman...

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#48 Post by Shady McSly » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:34 pm

WTF! You mean Enerjet, with their vast Middle East experience and long-haul fleet, didn't get any of the work they were 'ready for'?!??
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#49 Post by termerair » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:56 am

http://news-releases.transat.com/2015-1 ... -to-Canada

Flight TS8500 has now left Amman for Toronto
Air Transat is the first Canadian airline to carry Syrian refugees to Canada

MONTREAL, Dec. 20, 2015 /CNW Telbec/ - 12:00 noon – Air Transat Flight TS8500 has now left Amman, Jordan, bound for Toronto with 207 Syrian refugees aboard. "We are very pleased to be the first Canadian airline company to engage in this major humanitarian effort, and to be assisting the Canadian government and international authorities in this way," said Jean-François Lemay, General Manager of Air Transat.

The operation is being led by the International Organization for Migration, in collaboration with Canadian authorities. The flight, operated with an Airbus A330, is expected to arrive Toronto early evening today.

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#50 Post by complexintentions » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:06 am

Sweeeeeet.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/bri ... e27918337/

Good for the refugees. Now, maybe the government could spare a thought for the heavily-indebted Canadians already in the country?

Ah wait. That's not as good of a sound bite or photo op.
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