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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#26 Post by anonymity » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:29 pm

Pete wrote:Gilles,

What is the difference between Sunwing wet leases and the wet lease Transat has with Czech TVS? I don't want to hear "well that's only a couple aircraft". Numbers are irrelevant at this point now that Transat is doing the same thing. So should this thread.
Pete, not only are the numbers relevant the fact that this has been going on for years and the alarm bells were sounded a long time ago about other Canadian carriers having to join in on the fun in order to compete is also quite relevant. I think an, I told you so is in order.
What have you been doing to prevent the practice of foreign pilots, regardless of how they are here?
Thanks a million Gilles, for all of your past efforts and I'm certain, future efforts!
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#27 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:41 am

But back to the real subject of this thread. Anyone with info on hires and upgrades please post them.
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#28 Post by rudder » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:02 am

Gilles,

These are estimates based on conversations that I have had with several SW pilots:

2015

- 108 pilots hired (including seasonal FO)

- Upgrades to many permanent pilots hired in 2013 (some will just be winter upgrades). Not sure about 2014 hire upgrades.

- total pilot list in the vicinity of 350 (including seasonal FO)


Of course, I stand to be corrected by anybody with more accurate or timely information.

The bottom line is that the rejection of the TFWP applications for winter 2015/2016 appears to have created more seniority list (non wet lease) pilot positions and more seniority list (non wet lease) captaincies. I suspect that is the information you were looking for.
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#29 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:52 am

Someone corrected me: there are 6 foreign wet-leases, so the fleet stands at 39 aircraft.

If there are 33 canadian registered aircraft flying, there needs to be at least 396 Canadian pilots on staff, if they are maintaining 6 crews per aircraft as they did previously. I don't see how there could be any less.

If there are less, either some of the aircraft are not flying or there are some foreign pilots I did not know about.
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#30 Post by DutyFree » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:21 am

Lots of foreign pilots I guess.
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#31 Post by Dick » Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:05 am

Lots of Canadian pilots I guess.
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#32 Post by DutyFree » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:11 am

Wait are you telling me that I can't state opinion as fact? What if I wrap it all up and sell it like it is.
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#33 Post by ei ei owe » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:43 pm

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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#34 Post by richardhead » Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:10 am

Hey Gilles

On a side note. Is it true your wife runs a business that assists foreign workers wanting to work in Canada?
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#35 Post by whipline » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:39 am

Your not allowed to ask that question in here. The moderators get upset. Load of crap!!
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#36 Post by timel » Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:59 am

richardhead wrote:Hey Gilles

On a side note. Is it true your wife runs a business that assists foreign workers wanting to work in Canada?
Hey, on a side note: Who cares!
You are short of arguments so you have to go into personal attacks.

With SW history to screw around the law, nothing would surprise me anymore.

whipline wrote:Your not allowed to ask that question in here. The moderators get upset. Load of crap!!
It is none of our business what someone else wife job is. In the case that information would be true and I don't want to know, it would only give more credibility to Gilles for all of the data on immigration he brought up. It is easy behind a nickname to attack someone else family.
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#37 Post by rudder » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:37 pm

My understanding is more hiring and more upgrades are coming at SW. All Canadians or pilots with landed immigrant status in Canada.

AT uses foreign wet leases. WJ has used foreign wet leases. AC has used foreign wet leases. None have done so with any specific reciprocity. SW would appear to be the only carrier to be doing so.

I am under no misconception that TFW staffing at SW would have continued as a normal practice absent the efforts of several individuals and organizations to expose it to greater scrutiny.

Some may be upset about the past staffing practices but the evolution of 'the rules' and the current competitive environment makes SW one of the best places for a Canadian pilot to pick up a seniority number.

Good luck to the SW pilots in collective bargaining.
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#38 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:31 am

richardhead wrote:Hey Gilles

On a side note. Is it true your wife runs a business that assists foreign workers wanting to work in Canada?
Flaunt your stupidity on-line on this forum, it only puts your fake identity to shame, your real identity stay safe behind it.

How about my kids, you want to know what day care centre they go to ? Maybe it employs TFW ? Would that not be ironic ?
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#39 Post by richardhead » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:07 am

So??? That a yes?
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#40 Post by timel » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:18 am

richardhead wrote:So??? That a yes?

Richardhead, hope this helps : http://m.wikihow.com/Cope-With-Frustration
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#41 Post by aerosexual » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:54 am

richardhead wrote:So??? That a yes?
I can understand why Gilles doesn't want to answer that question. It's personal and confidential. However Gilles should also be understanding when he doesn't get all the answers to the questions he poses, as many of them are also personal and confidential in nature. This is especially true when there is a hidden agenda behind many of his questions. In a perfect world, Gilles would be comfortable answering yes to the question posed by you, and there could be a more open discussion amongst peers regarding various issues facing our so called profession.
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#42 Post by richardhead » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:27 am

I don't know why your so upset. Its really a simple question. My intentions hold no malice towards you. I can certainly assure you of that. Its just that someone passed along a business card to me and indicated that the person on the card, the person who's business it was to assist foreigners in their quest to work here within our borders was in fact your wife. Well you can imagine my surprise to hear such a thing. I mean to hear that the person who for the most part has been responsible for leading the amazingly brave and honourable charge against those who are not great Canadians such as ourselves and who would come here and be gainfully employed by companies who followed the letter of the law to do so. Well I refused to believe it. My god could you imagine such a person, one who could with a straight face do such a thing. I mean to lead such a noble charge against those who seek to undermine our great economy and yet at the same time profess him or herself to be the great protector and actually support that which he has such a great disdain for. I still find it incomprehesible.

But alas I am a mere human and my curiosity has gotten the better of me. So please Gilles, please say it ain't so.
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#43 Post by Takeoff OK » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:11 pm

richardhead wrote:I don't know why your so upset. Its really a simple question. My intentions hold no malice towards you. I can certainly assure you of that. Its just that someone passed along a business card to me and indicated that the person on the card, the person who's business it was to assist foreigners in their quest to work here within our borders was in fact your wife. Well you can imagine my surprise to hear such a thing. I mean to hear that the person who for the most part has been responsible for leading the amazingly brave and honourable charge against those who are not great Canadians such as ourselves and who would come here and be gainfully employed by companies who followed the letter of the law to do so. Well I refused to believe it. My god could you imagine such a person, one who could with a straight face do such a thing. I mean to lead such a noble charge against those who seek to undermine our great economy and yet at the same time profess him or herself to be the great protector and actually support that which he has such a great disdain for. I still find it incomprehesible.

But alas I am a mere human and my curiosity has gotten the better of me. So please Gilles, please say it ain't so.
The point you are missing, Dick, is that his brave and honourable charge has not been against foreigners; it has been against companies that circumvent the law to use foreigners in order to gain competitive advantage. An intelligent person would probably also understand that somebody whose profession it is to help foreigners find work in Canada would being doing so through proper legal channels, following the regulations, or their career would likely end up being fairly short. An intelligent person would also likely be able to draw the conclusion that if one's spouse did, in fact, work in such a capacity it would definitely provide one with invaluable insight into how the whole system works, and how it might be abused by some entities.

But perhaps you are not an intelligent person.

By the way, I have no idea what one's wife does or does not do for a living. Nor do I care.
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#44 Post by mijbil » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:34 am

So does anyone on at SW know if they will be hiring again shortly?
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#45 Post by DutyFree » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:53 pm

Word is that 220 Sunwing pilots are heading over the puddle for the summer. With those numbers they should be looking to hire. Better dust off the old log book.
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#46 Post by rudder » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:01 pm

DutyFree wrote:Word is that 220 Sunwing pilots are heading over the puddle for the summer. With those numbers they should be looking to hire. Better dust off the old log book.
SW usually send 16 pilots per tail (9 Capt/ 7 FO). 7 aircraft would be 112 pilots if all were on full term deployments. Some will bid full term. Some will bid half term increasing the number of pilots that go overseas but not increasing the number of pilots required.

Is it 7 aircraft on deployment this summer?

SW has also significantly increased its own summer schedule as well as increased wet lease work for Vacation Express in the US.
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#47 Post by Dh8Classic » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:04 pm

richardhead wrote:I don't know why your so upset. Its really a simple question. My intentions hold no malice towards you. I can certainly assure you of that. Its just that someone passed along a business card to me and indicated that the person on the card, the person who's business it was to assist foreigners in their quest to work here within our borders was in fact your wife. Well you can imagine my surprise to hear such a thing. I mean to hear that the person who for the most part has been responsible for leading the amazingly brave and honourable charge against those who are not great Canadians such as ourselves and who would come here and be gainfully employed by companies who followed the letter of the law to do so. Well I refused to believe it. My god could you imagine such a person, one who could with a straight face do such a thing. I mean to lead such a noble charge against those who seek to undermine our great economy and yet at the same time profess him or herself to be the great protector and actually support that which he has such a great disdain for. I still find it incomprehesible.

But alas I am a mere human and my curiosity has gotten the better of me. So please Gilles, please say it ain't so.
This has to be one of the greatest ironies ever, if true. The man who claims to be fighting so hard for all Canadians and their jobs is actually only trying to protect his job while making money from taking Canadians jobs in other sectors.

What do people think of this? We are not interested in any personal info about your wife Gilles. We just want to find out if you are the biggest hypocrite in the world. Please just deny this accusation as being completely false if that is what it is.

Or have you mysteriously disappeared.
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#48 Post by rxl » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:07 pm

There is no contradiction here for Captain Hudicourt, and I applaud him for his efforts.

The point being that there IS a real need for legitimate temporary foreign workers in some sectors of the Canadian economy.

There is, at least not yet, NO such shortage in the airline business in Canada.
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#49 Post by mbav8r » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:17 pm

I don't think Gilles is going to dignify your ignorant post with any type of response, that being said somebody has to respond to such idiocy!
Thing is, I don't ever remember Gilles saying he was doing it to protect all Canadians, just Canadian pilots. I never once read anything about him being against seasonal farm workers or anywhere that a real need could be legitimately identified. He was always against HOW, Sunwing was bending and even sometimes outright breaking the law(CARs) and how it was being allowed to carry on despite being brought to light.
If someone came to me with indisputable evidence that his wife was working on behalf of Sunwing to bring in foreign pilots, I would have even more respect for him, for fighting the fight despite the possible ramifications to his wife's career and if you can't see that, well what can I say, you can't fix stupid I guess!
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Re: Sunwing fleet and pilot rosters for the 2015/2015 season

#50 Post by DutyFree » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:07 am

We all need to grow up get away from the personal slander... If we can at least try and keep it between those who are committed in their career as an "aviator" and who hopefully still believed this is an industry of professionals... An industry of skilled individuals who have work hard and continue to maintained a commitment to what might be called a "pilot hypocritical oath", that is, we have all sacrificed and worked hard to get to where we are. Most importantly because of the help of our colleagues, friends and families. The road we take is often not the one we choose, but the one that presented itself at the time, we have all tried to make the best of it. So...To all those that can say they are rightfully able to judge another and that your opinion is of the "I'm right ur wrong" attitude remembers that we have all been one step away from living in the other guys shoes and one job away from being the cojo to the kid you gave a ppl to. As the saying goes, don't throw rocks when you live in a glasshouse. Let's all remember that if we don't respect each other, how do we expect "them" to.

Now let me down this bong, $hit I told my wife that I wouldn't drink tonight.


I have nothin to declare, peace!

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