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Re: Sky regional

#76 Post by FAD3C » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:44 pm

I think they're done hiring for the year since all their Q400 pilots will have to transfer over. Recently they were taking in candidates with 3000+ or less than that but with Jet time. Just something I heard.
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Re: Sky regional

#77 Post by dhc# » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:52 am

Anyone with an update for SKV in 2017 regarding fleet and hiring.
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Re: Sky regional

#78 Post by Cavalier44 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:46 pm

dhc# wrote:Anyone with an update for SKV in 2017 regarding fleet and hiring.
A number of courses have been planned for Sky Regional Q400 pilots to transfer onto the E175, the first of which began recently. Transfer courses for Q400 pilots will run until late March/early April.

I believe the next ground school for external hires is planned in early April, although it's unclear if potential candidates have already been interviewed for these positions. I'd expect that ground school to be made up of predominantly YYZ-based FOs as it's the lesser-staffed of the two bases at present. I'd also expect that hiring of direct-entry E175 captains will slow or cease in the short term as there is a larger pool of qualified FOs now who will be eligible for upgrades.

Hiring for E175 FOs seems to be focused on candidates who have some 704/705 captain experience (lots of ex-B1900/Metro/Dash/etc. captains), those with jet time, or a combination of the two. Experience in terms of total time seems to vary but I'd expect around 3000 hours with the majority being PIC and/or jet time to be competitive.

An additional five E175s are being acquired now as the Q400s are being transferred to Jazz, which will bring the total to 25 Embraers. I'd expect additional routes to be added out of both Toronto and Montreal beginning in the Spring of 2017. All signs seem to indicate that expansion will continue for the foreseeable future with additional Embraers being added to the fleet, but on what timeline is hard to say.

Additionally, a new TOE is in the process of being rolled out which will see modest increases in salary, RRSP matching, and per diems; as well as an additional guaranteed day off per month (moving from 10 to 11 GDOs). As well, three years are being added to the top end of the captain pay scale which will see it move from a 5-year to an 8-year pay scale. Several of other minor changes but these are the main highlights.
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Re: Sky regional

#79 Post by garfield » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:11 pm

Some people told me the working atmosphere is bad there, is it true?
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Re: Sky regional

#80 Post by pilotguy2017 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:28 am

From what I've heard, stay away.
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Re: Sky regional

#81 Post by Art Garfunkel » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:42 am

I wouldn't say the working atmosphere is horrible. But it's not great either. Please look past the starting two year salaries and look at the entire package before making a decision. Way way way more pilots that chose Jazz over Sky, three years ago, are at mainline now.

The scary thing about signing on to Sky is, the probation is about to move to one year and with no union protection, they don't even need a reason to say goodbye. Even after you have left your comfortable job and perhaps moved across the country. Internal policies and procedures change every day to suit their needs.

Good Luck!!

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Re: Sky regional

#82 Post by rudder » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:42 am

How hard is it to sign a union card? Not that difficult.

The majority of Express pilots will never fly mainline metal. Best to take a good look at what conditions exist at your current employer and make a decision about whether that is acceptable or not.
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Re: Sky regional

#83 Post by flyer 1492 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:44 am

80% of the Express pilots WILL be flying at Air Canada. Pretty good odds, if you ask me.

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Re: Sky regional

#84 Post by rudder » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:12 am

flyer 1492 wrote:80% of the Express pilots WILL be flying at Air Canada. Pretty good odds, if you ask me.

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Really? What percentage of Express pilots applied? What percentage received job offers?

Once the dust settles the Express pilot list(s) will be populated by a combination of pilots that never signed up for the PML, pilots that signed up but were rejected, and pilots that signed up and are either waiting for their course at AC or waiting for their application to be processed.

The fact is that the Express list(s) will always be populated by a majority of pilots that are for one reason or another not going to AC. However, based on the 80% target for new-hires, an application from an Express pilot that meets all of the AC hiring criteria is likely a good bet at a job offer from AC.
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Re: Sky regional

#85 Post by Inverted2 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:42 am

flyer 1492 wrote:80% of the Express pilots WILL be flying at Air Canada. Pretty good odds, if you ask me.

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Once the 80% do the video interview, interview, cog test, psych exam, medical etc the actual rate is quite a bit lower. I've heard a roughly 30% rejection rate.
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Re: Sky regional

#86 Post by dhc# » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:08 am

Inverted2 wrote:
flyer 1492 wrote:80% of the Express pilots WILL be flying at Air Canada. Pretty good odds, if you ask me.

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Once the 80% do the video interview, interview, cog test, psych exam, medical etc the actual rate is quite a bit lower. I've heard a roughly 30% rejection rate.
Wonder how those in the 30% feel about being crushed by AC's hiring process?
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Re: Sky regional

#87 Post by PROC_HDG » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:03 pm

flyer 1492 wrote:80% of the Express pilots WILL be flying at Air Canada. Pretty good odds, if you ask me.

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I think what you mean to say is that Air Canada MIGHT hire UP TO 80% of IT'S pilots from Express. This is a crucial distinction.

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Re: Sky regional

#88 Post by Art Garfunkel » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:16 pm

I agree. People still are not realizing that the PML 2.0 is UP TO 80% Express pilots being hired by Air Canada. It could be only 10% or 20%. So Rudder is correct in saying look at your current conditions and see if they are satisfactory. Air Canada has never liked to hire from their own in the past. In the years 2005-2009, Jazz trained and Air Canada motivated hundreds of Westjet hires.

Time for AC Express carriers to band together under one voice and tell AC, Express pilots are professionals too and should be treated like such. No more substandard pensions, C4 travel benefits, etc, etc, etc.

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Re: Sky regional

#89 Post by tailgunner » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:23 pm

Ok Art,
Tell us how and to what level are express pilots going to TELL AC that they demand more. Do you honestly think that they are going to start handing out C2 travel passes to non employees? You do realize that express pilots are not employees of AC. They are simply employees of a service provider.
Furthermore, your exhortation that AC should increase the pension for express pilots is wishful thinking at best. New hire AC pilot's do not even receive the same pension now as those in the past.
Anyone going to express (Jazz and Sky) should be under No illusions as to their respective standing in the pecking order and eyes of AC.
I am not trying to piss on your foot, but just want perspective pilots of express to realize that the plane may look like AC, but the terms of employment, renumeration, benefits, etc. are not AC.
It does not mean that it is a shoddy place to work, nor should it be avoided, but a realistic outlook is in order.
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Re: Sky regional

#90 Post by Art Garfunkel » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:07 am

Wow. I am sorry you feel that way Tailgunner. Many of the fine pilots I know over at AC don't share your views and in fact wish for better working conditions at the Express carriers. I never said conditions should be on par but a serious improvement could be made.

Remember the airplanes Sky operates and a good many that GGN operate were once operated by AC pilots with better working conditions. I see the big 3 carriers down south are now adding the 75 seat range jets to their pay scales. Ever wonder why this is being done? Maybe they are trying to help their fellow brothers/sisters instead of pissing on their feet.

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Re: Sky regional

#91 Post by 47north » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:02 am

tailgunner wrote: I am not trying to piss on your foot, but just want perspective pilots of express to realize that the plane may look like AC, but the terms of employment, renumeration, benefits, etc. are not AC.
It does not mean that it is a shoddy place to work, nor should it be avoided, but a realistic outlook is in order.
Cheers.
You're correct. Other than the remuneration and the aircraft, the benefits and working conditions are better at Jazz than AC. Just ask any Jazz pilot that has gone over to AC
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