Pilots and Alcohol

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Drinking is fairly common amongst pilots is common and some even fly still under the influence. And this is an aviation forum and this is most definitely a subject that needs to be talked about. I voiced my concerns on Mr Williams on another forum.

Keep cherry picking though...

Is drinking fairly common amoungst RCAF pilots and do some RCAF pilots even fly under the influence ?

[AuxBatOn]

Drinking is fairly common amongst pilots is common and some even fly still under the influence. And this is an aviation forum and this is most definitely a subject that needs to be talked about. I voiced my concerns on Mr Williams on another forum.

Keep cherry picking though...

Is drinking fairly common amoungst RCAF pilots and do some RCAF pilots even fly under the influence ?

I said amongst pilots (in the general sense). Not biting to your bait.

[Eric Janson]

@AuxBatOn

It's a waste of time trying to have a debate with Gilles.

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[pelmet]

I think both Gilles and Aux have a point.

We do see a lot of people in some places these days marching and making demands for conviction without all or any of the evidence. While a breathalyzer is alitlle more cut and dry, I am willing to wait for the evidence.

So how about the statement......"I am glad they got caught before they killed people. Such behaviour does not merit the privilege of holding any pilot license, nevermind an ATPL. Talk about decision making..." is changed to mean those who have been convicted with appeals finished, at which point will include these two persons if that is their fate.

Discussions of umrelated murders or previous associates who may have been drinking inappropriately are irrelevant.

[AirMail]

I'm really disappointed these AT pilots didn't snort a line of coke to straighten up

[Wheels]

Banana Man




Can someone translate the key points of this...

http://www.journaldequebec.com/2016/07/ ... es-proches

[Jean-Luc Monette]

I'm really disappointed these AT pilots didn't snort a line of coke to straighten up

Is that a "technique" you personally recommend, or have you just watched to many movies?

[Takeoff OK]

How about we all just shut the @#$! up, and keep our genious opinions to ourselves, until some actual facts start to emerge?

[Nark]

How about we all just shut the @#$! up, and keep our genious opinions to ourselves, until some actual facts start to emerge?

Why?
I, we, have nothing better to do than to bloviate.
Aptly, drinking a Heineken.

[AirMail]

I'm really disappointed these AT pilots didn't snort a line of coke to straighten up

Is that a "technique" you personally recommend, or have you just watched to many movies?

Dear Jean-Luc Picard. Yes.

[Gino Under]

I wouldn't pretend to know the Scottish legal system, but as an ex-cop (in Canada), I can honestly say I wouldn't have wasted my time with these two pilots without the required evidence to convict.
Arrest on the basis of a public complaint isn't the shocker some want to believe, whether you're a pilot, a passenger, or someone else.

But, without solid evidence to the contrary, I wouldn't have wasted my time (or theirs) without a breathalyzer result showing the three of us they either were, or weren't over the legal limit. I doubt the Crown Prosecutor or Judge at a bail hearing would either.

These guys are in jail because, a breathalyzer result put them there, they likely had a bail hearing that didn't go their way due to the potential for their leaving Scotland.

Fortunately, we're all innocent until proven guilty.
But in my estimation, this is likely going to end in tears, and if it does, that would be a totally avoidable shame.

The discussion now taking place amongst us about this bottle to throttle issue should take on a renewed importance.

Gino

[valleyboy]

Fortunately, we're all innocent until proven guilty.

Not under Roman law it's the opposite, while I'm no expert , Scotland does have a bit of a mixture they do not use the same legal system as England, most of Canada (Quebec is also a mixture of Roman law)and the US of A So the attitude that we are all innocent until proven guilty is a bit of a Hollywood myth. Depends on where you are standing or stumbling at the time.

There are a lot of unanswered questions here and being setup by a pissed off 3rd party is a reality in this day and age. Maybe they were within the Canadian limits but rules are different and ignorance is no defense. One has to wonder why they would go to work in the first place and not book off sick. That would have been the logical damage control and the likelihood is that they at least keeps their career and possibly able to even come out unscathed.

I think these guys got blindsided, I can't believe that a crew would show up for work stupidly impaired and not play the sick card before they left the hotel but maybe my mind does not work the same way as others, if they did in fact do this it's pretty obvious they were impaired beyond thinking or they believed that they met the legal requirements. Damn we can talk our way in circles for ever on this one. The actual truth will come out and hopefully lessons learned by everyone.

[FlyB]

If they did that routinely, maybe thought they could get away with it. So, out of habit, didn't feel the need to call in sick. Either way, quite irresponsible.

[Wheels]

Can someone who speaks French please translate this article related to the two pilots.


http://www.journaldequebec.com/2016/07/ ... es-proches

[AuxBatOn]

Wife of the AC said his last drink was 12 hours before he got arrested. He got intercepted 2 hours before the scheduled departure time which apparently is a very bug factor.

Someone else said the hotel staff called the cops because they had an argument with the pilots. Police caught up with the pilots at the gate. The complaint was about the argument, not because they looked drunk.

In a nutshell...

[Old fella]

Based on some of the info going down and the seemly lack of what really happened, best thing these chaps can do from this point is shut their mouths, clam up to any authority, only tell their story to their qualified defense counsel. Since they are not United Kingdom citizens I would assume Canadian Consular services may be available to them. There is probably more to this issue/story than a couple of pilots who showed up for their flight" half in the bag".

[Wheels]

Thanks Aux

[Redwine]

Hey wheels, Try google translate. Works quite well.

['97 Tercel]

Not as well as a bilingual human.