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 Post subject: Re: Pilots and Alcohol
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:08 pm 
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Jean-Luc Monette wrote:
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I'm really disappointed these AT pilots didn't snort a line of coke to straighten up


Is that a "technique" you personally recommend, or have you just watched to many movies?


Dear Jean-Luc Picard. Yes.



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 Post subject: Re: Pilots and Alcohol
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:58 am 
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I wouldn't pretend to know the Scottish legal system, but as an ex-cop (in Canada), I can honestly say I wouldn't have wasted my time with these two pilots without the required evidence to convict.
Arrest on the basis of a public complaint isn't the shocker some want to believe, whether you're a pilot, a passenger, or someone else.

But, without solid evidence to the contrary, I wouldn't have wasted my time (or theirs) without a breathalyzer result showing the three of us they either were, or weren't over the legal limit. I doubt the Crown Prosecutor or Judge at a bail hearing would either.

These guys are in jail because, a breathalyzer result put them there, they likely had a bail hearing that didn't go their way due to the potential for their leaving Scotland.

Fortunately, we're all innocent until proven guilty.
But in my estimation, this is likely going to end in tears, and if it does, that would be a totally avoidable shame.

The discussion now taking place amongst us about this bottle to throttle issue should take on a renewed importance.

Gino :partyman:



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 Post subject: Re: Pilots and Alcohol
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:00 am 
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Fortunately, we're all innocent until proven guilty.


Not under Roman law it's the opposite, while I'm no expert , Scotland does have a bit of a mixture they do not use the same legal system as England, most of Canada (Quebec is also a mixture of Roman law)and the US of A So the attitude that we are all innocent until proven guilty is a bit of a Hollywood myth. Depends on where you are standing or stumbling at the time.

There are a lot of unanswered questions here and being setup by a pissed off 3rd party is a reality in this day and age. Maybe they were within the Canadian limits but rules are different and ignorance is no defense. One has to wonder why they would go to work in the first place and not book off sick. That would have been the logical damage control and the likelihood is that they at least keeps their career and possibly able to even come out unscathed.

I think these guys got blindsided, I can't believe that a crew would show up for work stupidly impaired and not play the sick card before they left the hotel but maybe my mind does not work the same way as others, if they did in fact do this it's pretty obvious they were impaired beyond thinking or they believed that they met the legal requirements. Damn we can talk our way in circles for ever on this one. The actual truth will come out and hopefully lessons learned by everyone.



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 Post subject: Re: Pilots and Alcohol
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:54 am 
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If they did that routinely, maybe thought they could get away with it. So, out of habit, didn't feel the need to call in sick. Either way, quite irresponsible.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:55 am 
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Can someone who speaks French please translate this article related to the two pilots.


http://www.journaldequebec.com/2016/07/ ... es-proches



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 Post subject: Re: Pilots and Alcohol
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:41 am 
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Wife of the AC said his last drink was 12 hours before he got arrested. He got intercepted 2 hours before the scheduled departure time which apparently is a very bug factor.

Someone else said the hotel staff called the cops because they had an argument with the pilots. Police caught up with the pilots at the gate. The complaint was about the argument, not because they looked drunk.

In a nutshell...


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 Post subject: Re: Pilots and Alcohol
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:16 pm 
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Based on some of the info going down and the seemly lack of what really happened, best thing these chaps can do from this point is shut their mouths, clam up to any authority, only tell their story to their qualified defense counsel. Since they are not United Kingdom citizens I would assume Canadian Consular services may be available to them. There is probably more to this issue/story than a couple of pilots who showed up for their flight" half in the bag".


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 Post subject: Re: Pilots and Alcohol
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Hey wheels, Try google translate. Works quite well.

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 Post subject: Re: Pilots and Alcohol
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Not as well as a bilingual human.


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 Post subject: Re: Pilots and Alcohol
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:25 pm 
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Can someone who speaks French please translate this article related to the two pilots.


http://www.journaldequebec.com/2016/07/ ... es-proches



"One of the two pilots of Air Transat in Scotland arrested for impaired by alcohol told his wife that his last drinking went up to 12 hours before leaving for the airport .

The joint Jean-François Perreault was finally able to get in touch with him on the latest hours , according to family members . He reportedly said that he had not consumed alcohol 12 hours before getting to the airport.

He also said to his wife that he had been intercepting two hours before taking the controls, which is an important point," said a family member, who wishes to remain anonymous.


Air Transat requires 12 hours of sobriety from its pilots before taking the controls of a machine.

Since Monday, the information published in different media raised the possibility that Jean-François Perreault, aged 39, and Imran Zafar Syed, aged 37, were arrested in a drunken state as they were about to take orders, following a denunciation of their colleagues.



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Relatives of Perreault, a native of Cacouna in the Bas-Saint-Laurent, however, ensure that lawyers and union officials who spoke to the pilot jailed in Scotland all have a different version.

Both drivers have had an argument with the hotel staff where they were staying and this would be one of them who would have contacted the local police. These would then intercepted Perreault and Syed Zafar to customs security barrier. The family also maintains that the alcohol level of the Canadian driver was very low.

"He was intercepted on the complaint and not because he seemed drunk," also said her family, who defend publicly since Wednesday.

Union representatives and lawyers are currently in Scotland to advance the Drivers folder, still in custody."



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 Post subject: Re: Pilots and Alcohol
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:02 am 
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12 hrs or not, it still has a lot to do with the intake level period. Does drinking 8 beer right up to 12 hrs make you fit to fly? On some people yes on a lot of people it's no.
alpa has been pretty quiet too. Not much teeth in something like this obviously since they only got out on bail today despite all the illusion of power.



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