Air Transat vs Air Canada
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:26 am
I read on the Air Canada forum that some of the new hire came from Air Transat. Do some of you know the reasons why people with a few years at AT would change for Air Canada?
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I still don't understand why people avoid bidding RP when offered during the first day of ground school. Great way to start, with highly productive pairings and most importantly you are paid the same for first 4 years anyways. Also learn a lot from the senior guys.livinlife wrote:I left AT for AC a couple years ago, I have to say the grass is NOT greener. I was YYZ based 37 F/O working 7-10 days a month, productive turns. The money was good, the flying was great, I was 75% on the 37 YYZ and I could always get what I wanted off. I was having fun at work.....
AC not so much. I won't go into great details other then....seniority is life here....kiss weekends, birthdays, anything from Wed evening to Sunday evening good bye....other then an rP job you are working hard. Even RP's work 12 days....
I can see that if you are new to flying jets or International ops.sanjet wrote:I still don't understand why people avoid bidding RP when offered during the first day of ground school. Great way to start, with highly productive pairings and most importantly you are paid the same for first 4 years anyways. Also learn a lot from the senior guys.
It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that AC used to be about seniority. The pro's of choice after a few years when you got some seniority more than outweighed any negatives early on. Unfortunately most of the ability to chose will soon be gone with rouge now having the ability to grow by up to 31 320's before any more mainline growth. (6 freebies from the 87's delivered next year and a planned 25 "regional replacement" aircraft") This will all but condemn people to the majority of their career at AC of 16+ days a month on the narrow body and leave a lot less room for those that do indeed want some sort of quality of life outside the cockpit.livinlife wrote:I left AT for AC a couple years ago, I have to say the grass is NOT greener. I was YYZ based 37 F/O working 7-10 days a month, productive turns. The money was good, the flying was great, I was 75% on the 37 YYZ and I could always get what I wanted off. I was having fun at work.....
AC not so much. I won't go into great details other then....seniority is life here....kiss weekends, birthdays, anything from Wed evening to Sunday evening good bye....other then an rP job you are working hard. Even RP's work 12 days....
So would it be logical to assume that most of the 319's will be RRA and that the core NB Rouge flying will be 320/321?Jimmy_Hoffa wrote: Unfortunately most of the ability to chose will soon be gone with rouge now having the ability to grow by up to 31 320's before any more mainline growth. (6 freebies from the 87's delivered next year and a planned 25 "regional replacement" aircraft") This will all but condemn people to the majority of their career at AC of 16+ days a month on the narrow body and leave a lot less room for those that do indeed want some sort of quality of life outside the cockpit.
100%. All the company need do is ask.rudder wrote:So would it be logical to assume that most of the 319's will be RRA and that the core NB Rouge flying will be 320/321?Jimmy_Hoffa wrote: Unfortunately most of the ability to chose will soon be gone with rouge now having the ability to grow by up to 31 320's before any more mainline growth. (6 freebies from the 87's delivered next year and a planned 25 "regional replacement" aircraft") This will all but condemn people to the majority of their career at AC of 16+ days a month on the narrow body and leave a lot less room for those that do indeed want some sort of quality of life outside the cockpit.
What is the likelihood that ACPA would permit 190's as RRA?
The E190's are going to the desert they are like leppers to both AC management and the union. they are not included in thegrowrh / shrink formulae leaving somenvoters to believe Mainline would have to grow by 30+ fins before rouge could expand. But I digress.. The union gave AC everything they wanted with regards to rouge and it is way more economical to use the 320's.. The EMJ are coming due for heavy checks and when they do they will be replaced by the C Series. The regional replacement will be 320's from the Mainline as they are replaced by 37's, the only other possibility going forward would to put the CSeries at rouge, but unlikely since not much sense in having another type there since until the 12th of Sept the plan was to have the 737's / CSeries replace the ASM'a provided by the EMJ/320's. It's just a question of timing.rudder wrote:So would it be logical to assume that most of the 319's will be RRA and that the core NB Rouge flying will be 320/321?Jimmy_Hoffa wrote: Unfortunately most of the ability to chose will soon be gone with rouge now having the ability to grow by up to 31 320's before any more mainline growth. (6 freebies from the 87's delivered next year and a planned 25 "regional replacement" aircraft") This will all but condemn people to the majority of their career at AC of 16+ days a month on the narrow body and leave a lot less room for those that do indeed want some sort of quality of life outside the cockpit.
What is the likelihood that ACPA would permit 190's as RRA?
Sad but true!atphat wrote:100%. All the company need do is ask.rudder wrote:So would it be logical to assume that most of the 319's will be RRA and that the core NB Rouge flying will be 320/321?Jimmy_Hoffa wrote: Unfortunately most of the ability to chose will soon be gone with rouge now having the ability to grow by up to 31 320's before any more mainline growth. (6 freebies from the 87's delivered next year and a planned 25 "regional replacement" aircraft") This will all but condemn people to the majority of their career at AC of 16+ days a month on the narrow body and leave a lot less room for those that do indeed want some sort of quality of life outside the cockpit.
What is the likelihood that ACPA would permit 190's as RRA?