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Re: Should I stay or should I go?

#51 Post by rookiepilot » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:01 am

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Individual business owners are not that important to the economy.


This is the problem with the Canada, people do not realize the value that business owners bring to the country. Not only that, but we never hear about the amount of businesses that fail. If we don't provide a fertile soil for entrepreneurs and employees a like what stops them from leaving this country? NOTHING

The people who make these laws have never run a business in their life and have no idea how much work it takes. Wanna talk about being poor and working long hours? Be a pilot or try and start a business in this country.

The taxation for the amount of service is insanity in this country.
No. The message small business owners are clearly given -- I wrote my own MP here with this, and he didn't even have the respect to personally respond ---- is that we are all crooked tax cheats, ripping off Canada and not paying our "fair share". That's bullshit.

At the same time, we should happily give bombardier executives taxpayer paid, multi million dollar bonuses, for running their company into the ground, while shipping jobs overseas. Because hey, it's Quebec.

This is Justin Trudeaus Canada.

I'm serious questioning why I should stay in this country. I feel more affinity with the USA, who supports small businesses, than working in an increasingly socialist country that is determined to punish the productive job creators.
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#52 Post by '97 Tercel » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:46 am

While I do want BBD to succeed I also have to agree that Quebec is a ridiculous charity case.
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Re: Should I stay or should I go?

#53 Post by photofly » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:06 am

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I'm serious questioning why I should stay in this country. I feel more affinity with the USA, who supports small businesses, than working in an increasingly socialist country that is determined to punish the productive job creators.
I'm fairly sure that by the time you've paid for health insurance for yourself and all your employees there's not much in it.
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#54 Post by schnitzel2k3 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:40 am

Mercer summed it up best when he said that around the 2 year mark, every Canadian government gets cocky and thinks, 'Hey I can do what I want, they voted for me!', when really all we did was vote out the last guy.

Canada though is in far better shape than the 'abandoning ship' going on down south.

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#55 Post by Cat Driver » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:48 am

I was fortunate to have made a good living as a pilot and can afford to go to the USA if I need an elective surgery so for me Canada is a good place to live.

Where we were born generally determines where we live because that is generally where our assets are.
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#56 Post by 7ECA » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:32 pm

rookiepilot wrote: The message small business owners are clearly given - is that we are all crooked tax cheats, ripping off Canada and not paying our "fair share". That's bullshit.

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I'm serious questioning why I should stay in this country. I feel more affinity with the USA, who supports small businesses, than working in an increasingly socialist country that is determined to punish the productive job creators.
Maybe you should stop reading the National Post/Globe and Mail/Fraser Institute drivel then? :roll:

http://pressprogress.ca/new_fraser_inst ... _on_taxes/

http://pressprogress.ca/will_2017_be_th ... y_gimmick/
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#57 Post by FOD » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:27 am

No question about it. If you can, leave, run as fast as you can. It's only a question of risk/reward. Step out of the comfort zone and go make some real money. Cut your ties to Canada completely and park your money in a more tax friendly jurisdiction. You'll come to appreciate that all is not well in what Canada has become, and most importantly, the direction it's going. Be smart, frugal, save every penny tax efficiently and then you can chose anywhere in the WORLD to live, not just the People's Republic of Canuckistan.

I left. it was a hard decision to make, but so far, best decision ever. There are many families here and they all are adapting well. Like any good commander, make a well thought out and informed decision.

Or stay behind and continue to contribute to this broken none-sense while you are nickel and dimed to death for diminishing returns and stay perpetually in-debted to the banks.

Being successful in Canada is just not worth it.

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#58 Post by sstaurus » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:17 am

Cat Driver wrote:Where we were born generally determines where we live because that is generally where our assets are.
Indeed Canada also gave everyone here the opportunity to succeed... one might decide to abandon ship now but don't forget how lucky you still are for where you were born. (not speaking directly at Cat just in general)
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#59 Post by av8ts » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:49 am

FOD wrote:No question about it. If you can, leave, run as fast as you can. It's only a question of risk/reward. Step out of the comfort zone and go make some real money. Cut your ties to Canada completely and park your money in a more tax friendly jurisdiction. You'll come to appreciate that all is not well in what Canada has become, and most importantly, the direction it's going. Be smart, frugal, save every penny tax efficiently and then you can chose anywhere in the WORLD to live, not just the People's Republic of Canuckistan.

I left. it was a hard decision to make, but so far, best decision ever. There are many families here and they all are adapting well. Like any good commander, make a well thought out and informed decision.

Or stay behind and continue to contribute to this broken none-sense while you are nickel and dimed to death for diminishing returns and stay perpetually in-debted to the banks.

Being successful in Canada is just not worth it.

FOD.
Sorry but your wrong. I’ve traveled the world and Canada is an amazing country. I feel very lucky to enjoy the great life that I have here
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#60 Post by Cat Driver » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:55 am

FOD has it figured out.

If I were younger I would be gone in a heart beat.
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#61 Post by rookiepilot » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:51 am

There is much to be thankful for, the freedoms and privilege of being born and living in Canada. I've been to 40 + countries, have friends in many of those, and most would agree it's difficult to top Canada in many respects.

We do seem to be going in the wrong direction and that is discouraging. Our freedoms are diminishing as political correctness rules, and the only voices allowed are the "correct" voices.

Our best friends are the Americans, we have to thank them for a lot, our safety and security and largest trading partner, yet Canadians have been conditioned to hate them. This isn't good, we need them as our friends.

Canadians have also been conditioned to see anyone succeeding in business as either a crook or exploitive, you read that often on forums here. And this mentality is actively encouraged by our government. Therefore kids in school are taught that working for the government is a higher calling than creating a business.

That is all sad in my view, and not what leads to a strong independent nation.
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#62 Post by BE20 Driver » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:10 am

This weekend in particular, I'm grateful for having been born in Canada. But for a quick twist of history, I could have easily been born in Cuba. Questioning leaving for somewhere better just wouldn't be the same there.

I too have been in about 40 countries and have found that there's always something in every country that we could be doing better back home. There's always something that you truly miss about Canada. Perhaps you only appreciate what you have by noticing what you don't have where you are.

To all the people that strongly believe this is the best place on earth, and all of the people who are substituting BBQ'd duck or beeef bulgogi - Happy Thanksgiving.
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#63 Post by rxl » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:12 am

FOD wrote:No question about it. If you can, leave, run as fast as you can. It's only a question of risk/reward. Step out of the comfort zone and go make some real money. Cut your ties to Canada completely and park your money in a more tax friendly jurisdiction. You'll come to appreciate that all is not well in what Canada has become, and most importantly, the direction it's going. Be smart, frugal, save every penny tax efficiently and then you can chose anywhere in the WORLD to live, not just the People's Republic of Canuckistan.

I left. it was a hard decision to make, but so far, best decision ever. There are many families here and they all are adapting well. Like any good commander, make a well thought out and informed decision.

Or stay behind and continue to contribute to this broken none-sense while you are nickel and dimed to death for diminishing returns and stay perpetually in-debted to the banks.

Being successful in Canada is just not worth it.

FOD.
Good for you. Glad you found your nirvana.
It's really all about you isn't it.
The majority of Canadians are able to be successful here and find it very much worthwhile to contribute to something bigger than they are, and to contribute to an idea whose main goal is to make the lives of others just a little bit better.
Keep your childish insults to yourself.
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Re: Should I stay or should I go?

#64 Post by rookiepilot » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:45 am

rxl wrote:
FOD wrote:No question about it. If you can, leave, run as fast as you can. It's only a question of risk/reward. Step out of the comfort zone and go make some real money. Cut your ties to Canada completely and park your money in a more tax friendly jurisdiction. You'll come to appreciate that all is not well in what Canada has become, and most importantly, the direction it's going. Be smart, frugal, save every penny tax efficiently and then you can chose anywhere in the WORLD to live, not just the People's Republic of Canuckistan.

I left. it was a hard decision to make, but so far, best decision ever. There are many families here and they all are adapting well. Like any good commander, make a well thought out and informed decision.

Or stay behind and continue to contribute to this broken none-sense while you are nickel and dimed to death for diminishing returns and stay perpetually in-debted to the banks.

Being successful in Canada is just not worth it.

FOD.
Good for you. Glad you found your nirvana.
It's really all about you isn't it.
The majority of Canadians are able to be successful here and find it very much worthwhile to contribute to something bigger than they are, and to contribute to an idea whose main goal is to make the lives of others just a little bit better.
Keep your childish insults to yourself.
Why exactly is putting his family's financial security ahead of working for the government of Canada, a bad thing?

I applaud his honesty and his courage to make the choice he feels is in the best interest of his family.

Personally I contribute a ton of dough to making the lives of others better. Why does that need to be through being taxed by a government that wastes the money on things I don't believe in?
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#65 Post by Cat Driver » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:38 am

Keep your childish insults to yourself.
A lot of us agree with him, are we also childish?
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#66 Post by complexintentions » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:19 pm

rxl wrote:
FOD wrote:No question about it. If you can, leave, run as fast as you can. It's only a question of risk/reward. Step out of the comfort zone and go make some real money. Cut your ties to Canada completely and park your money in a more tax friendly jurisdiction. You'll come to appreciate that all is not well in what Canada has become, and most importantly, the direction it's going. Be smart, frugal, save every penny tax efficiently and then you can chose anywhere in the WORLD to live, not just the People's Republic of Canuckistan.

I left. it was a hard decision to make, but so far, best decision ever. There are many families here and they all are adapting well. Like any good commander, make a well thought out and informed decision.

Or stay behind and continue to contribute to this broken none-sense while you are nickel and dimed to death for diminishing returns and stay perpetually in-debted to the banks.

Being successful in Canada is just not worth it.

FOD.
Good for you. Glad you found your nirvana.
It's really all about you isn't it.
The majority of Canadians are able to be successful here and find it very much worthwhile to contribute to something bigger than they are, and to contribute to an idea whose main goal is to make the lives of others just a little bit better.
Keep your childish insults to yourself.
Please explain where the insults are, exactly? Your defensiveness strikes me as the childish bit.

If you think Canadians in Canada don't act completely in their own self-interest just as much as anyone, anywhere, you are sorely mistaken. The lofty ideals you attribute to Canada are a luxury afforded by living in a wealthy country. As that erodes, watch for the true character of people to come out. It's already happening.
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#67 Post by Cat Driver » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:45 pm

How many here remember when our taxes paid for government services?

Remember when all the services that T.C. provided for us were done in a very short time and there were no " Service Charges. " which is double taxation.

One of the most egregious taxes T.C. imposes is the $55.00 medical fee.

For what?
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#68 Post by CL-Skadoo! » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:07 pm

Cat Driver wrote:How many here remember when our taxes paid for government services?

Remember when all the services that T.C. provided for us were done in a very short time and there were no " Service Charges. " which is double taxation.

One of the most egregious taxes T.C. imposes is the $55.00 medical fee.

For what?
It's been a very long time.

You said if you were at an earlier stage of your career, you'd pull the pin and head elsewhere.
Because you've been so many places, I'd like to know where would you go or personally recommend?
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#69 Post by Cat Driver » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:08 pm

My first three choices would be.

One of the cay's off Belize.

Panama.

Ecuador.

In that order.
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#70 Post by Cat Driver » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:08 pm

My first three choices would be.

One of the cay's off Belize.

Panama.

Ecuador.

In that order.
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#71 Post by BE20 Driver » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:23 pm

CRA is now taxing employee discounts. Chances are since WS at least charges $2.50/flight that we'll have a new tax to pay. Commuters will love this I'm sure.

I've been to all of those places and I agree. The only thing I'd change is maybe Ecuador over Panama but that depends on what part of each country.

As a side note, maybe the way around viewing staff travel on your own airline is to only fly the competitor. Since I'm not an employee of theirs, it's not an employee discount.
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#72 Post by North Shore » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:42 am

BE20 Driver wrote: As a side note, maybe the way around viewing staff travel on your own airline is to only fly the competitor. Since I'm not an employee of theirs, it's not an employee discount.
Go, definitely - to law school! That's great 'slimy defence lawyer' stuff right there! :smt040
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#73 Post by BE20 Driver » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:39 pm

Since a lot of the discussion here revolved around tax code, I thought I'd post this article. Below are a few excerpts from it:

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/26/it ... -in-canada

According to Fraser, the 42.5% we surrender [in taxes] to federal, provincial and municipal governments is more than we pay for food, clothing and shelter – combined! We pay 37.4% for the basic necessities.

And spare me the lectures on how the “rich” don’t pay their fair share. The top 10% of Canadian income earners paid closer to 56% of their income in taxes.

And yet, despite all of the taxes we already pay, the federal Liberal government is about to impose one of the largest tax increases in history on middle-class Canadians.

And what do we get for all that tax money? Basically two things: very happy public-sector workers and tons of waste.

Fraser looked at every auditor general’s report for the past 25 years and determined that the federal government alone has wasted nearly $200 billion simply by ignoring AGs’ recommendations.

On top of that, half of all taxes paid go to the salaries of public servants, who now earn salaries that are on average 10% higher than those of private-sector workers doing comparable jobs. Plus, they also have much better pensions, job security and benefits, work shorter hours and retire earlier.
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#74 Post by rookiepilot » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:27 pm

BE20 Driver wrote:Since a lot of the discussion here revolved around tax code, I thought I'd post this article. Below are a few excerpts from it:

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/26/it ... -in-canada

According to Fraser, the 42.5% we surrender [in taxes] to federal, provincial and municipal governments is more than we pay for food, clothing and shelter – combined! We pay 37.4% for the basic necessities.

And spare me the lectures on how the “rich” don’t pay their fair share. The top 10% of Canadian income earners paid closer to 56% of their income in taxes.

And yet, despite all of the taxes we already pay, the federal Liberal government is about to impose one of the largest tax increases in history on middle-class Canadians.

And what do we get for all that tax money? Basically two things: very happy public-sector workers and tons of waste.

Fraser looked at every auditor general’s report for the past 25 years and determined that the federal government alone has wasted nearly $200 billion simply by ignoring AGs’ recommendations.

On top of that, half of all taxes paid go to the salaries of public servants, who now earn salaries that are on average 10% higher than those of private-sector workers doing comparable jobs. Plus, they also have much better pensions, job security and benefits, work shorter hours and retire earlier.
+1. And 2 and 3.

If you're one of these public servants, good for you. You're cleaning up. By being a bloodsucking parasite on the rest of us.

If I was elected, which won't happen, I'd rip up every public sector contract in existence.

We simply can't afford you, entitled public sector worker.

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#75 Post by Cat Driver » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:27 pm

The taxation for the amount of service is insanity in this country.
Socialism at its finest, we are getting right up there with Venezuela.
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