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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#26 Post by JBI » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:49 am

confusedalot wrote:
Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:28 pm
Over here, expat student gets a shot at the big times and the rest of the aviation population goes and works at tim hortons.

Explain the justification to me please.
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Spent my life busting my butt and being told I never had ''enough'', only to witness low, or no, time, foreigners climb up the food chain faster than the guy in sioux lookout with all of the qualifications to do the same job than any newcomer can easily do..
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No one is 'jumping the queue". The only thing these international students get is a "shot" at getting a Flight Instructor job AFTER training at a school in Canada (or getting their instructor rating there). Your rock stars working at Tim Hortons in Sioux Lookout have the same and/or better opportunity to go work as a Flight Instructor in Gander for a bit and then get on the 1900. I would put money on the fact that if a Canadian went to Gander, did their flight instructor rating there and then decided they wanted to instruct for a while and then move to the right seat of the 1900, as long as they were able to read and understand a 5 paragraph post written in English, they would have no problem getting that job. Race to the bottom indeed :roll:
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#27 Post by confusedalot » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:57 pm

I guess i embellish things when I see injustice, so I will try again.

Would you see such programs in the EU. Nope, need the passport, period. Then get your licence.

Would you see such programs in the USA. Same story, right to work in the country is a requirement. You can get the licence beforehand.

Now , all of you, tell me what the situation is in Canada? i thought so, keep that thought and run with it.

I find it sad indeed.

Hey, I would work part time as an instructor in Plattsburgh for my retirement years, only a 45 minute drive from Montreal......You can bet that is NEVER going to happen, because, rightfully so, the US protects US jobs and there is no way the state would permit me to take an
Americans job.

And what does canada permit??? With a bunch of qualified home grown personnel available?

I leave it to the jury to decide.......
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#28 Post by JBI » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:50 am

confusedalot wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:57 pm
I guess i embellish things when I see injustice, so I will try again.

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Hey, I would work part time as an instructor in Plattsburgh for my retirement years, only a 45 minute drive from Montreal......You can bet that is NEVER going to happen, because, rightfully so, the US protects US jobs and there is no way the state would permit me to take an
Americans job.

And what does canada permit??? With a bunch of qualified home grown personnel available?
Fair Enough. You are correct, Canada does have different immigration policies than the US and Europe and that's always worth a good debate :) . My point is that although GFT/EVAS's ad targets those international students who want to be airline pilots, it doesn't actually offer a leg up over Canadian students or for that matter, over any other flight training school.

Of note though, if you did go to school in the US, you would be permitted to work in limited circumstances while in school and for a limited time after you were done. The difference is that in Canada, there are special provisions for flight instructors (not pilots in general) to remain in Canada. Not so in the US.
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#29 Post by confusedalot » Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:44 pm

I am glad you see it, I don't feel so alone anymore. The common viewpoint from any canadian who has been an expat is that canada lets their young perish,(aviation seems to be at third world standards) whilst other nations actually protect their newborn who get into the business. There is just no way that a foreigner will get a job in mexico, europe, and the US just to name a few (assuming no passport or family relations)

As a former expat, I needed to have VERY specific and unavailable quals to to have the right to work in the country I worked in.

Here in this country, who cares?

Once again, my KLM analogy; 250 hours and Dutch citizenship gets you into the right seat of a worldwide carrier, with all of the career progression you could dream of. Canada does not get it.

Anyway, from and old and retired driver, someone has got to wake up and smell the coffee......
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#30 Post by complexintentions » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:24 am

I don't see what all the fuss is about. They're just looking for guys with some turban experience.
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#31 Post by confusedalot » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:31 pm

complexintentions wrote:
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I don't see what all the fuss is about. They're just looking for guys with some turban experience.
He he he... :lol: this is canada.........
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#32 Post by JBI » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:34 am

complexintentions wrote:
Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:24 am
I don't see what all the fuss is about. They're just looking for guys with some turban experience.
Interesting fact, only 2% of Indians are Sikhs and actually wear turbans. However, 100% of internet posters who use the term "snowflake" are actually just ignorant a-holes.
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#33 Post by complexintentions » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:53 am

Meh. Actually not that interesting. Triggered sad humourless posters, far more so. And that's MISTER Ignorant A-Hole, to you, my fragile little snowflake! :mrgreen:

confusedalot is absolutely correct, Canada is a complete sellout when it comes to jobs, resources, housing, you name it. The best description someone here gave of Canada is that it's like a rented house a bunch of university students share. Everyone's from somewhere else and no one gives a shit about the place, just uses it for awhile for what they need it for.
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#34 Post by Tanker299 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:18 am

Did anyone else see that an chap from India needed a degree but the Mexican just needs a cpl?

Still hard to believe EVAS just won't pony up pay people what they need to pay them to do the job. Same can be said for a lot of companies in Canada. The amount of time I have run into foreign passport holders on ramps in Canada is crazy. A lot doing the bottom barrel jobs for shite companies that refuse to pay pilots and or bond the shit out of them. It's win win for them at the end of the day. Either they go home and are respected and well paid flying a jet or they get residency that leads to citizenship. To them the ends justify the means. We on the other hand already live here and the places we can go be expats are the places people are trying to leave to come to Canada. I also feel that some people that do the expat thing when they return it's bottom of the barrel for you.

There is no shortage of pilots. Just a shortage of jobs that have a Quality of Life and Reasonable Pay. I'm okay with people coming here but not at the cost of jobs or safety. For the tree huggers out there that bleed for everyone that does not live in Canada, take the front door off of your house. Don't really screen anyone who comes in, pay for their food, transport and the cost to keep them in the house, heat hydro. Next when they do not respect your rules and traditions too bad for you because that's not the way they do things.
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#35 Post by NovaBoy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:22 pm

I went to flying school at Interlake Aviation in Gimili, MB back in the late 80's. Almost all the instructors at the time were Norwegian. The school did a big marketing campaign in Europe and it worked. Nothing has changed. Worst thing was, back then you couldn't buy a job.
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#36 Post by confusedalot » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:54 pm

The fact that almost all of the instructors were Norwegian tells me that suitably qualified Canadians did not want to work in Gimli. :oops: Especially in the late eighties, were advancement was almost non existent. So they accepted some sort of special visas?

This whole thread is enlightening yet very disturbing..As I said before, there is no way you would get a job in Europe, Mexico unless you have the right to work there. You will need very specific qualifications to work in India or forget it.

And here in Canada, what do we do? I'll leave that as an open question.
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#37 Post by complexintentions » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:51 pm

I thought we wanted more Norwegians to immigrate here?

Oh wait no...that's the US. :mrgreen:

But seriously...why would anyone emigrate from Norway to Canada, let alone GIMLI?
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Re: GFT/EVAS Air Sponsoring Foreign Pilots from India and Mexico

#38 Post by Mach1 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:29 am

When we go Expat, we go to be paid as much as or more than the locals because we are being compensated for bringing a higher skill level to the table. This is being done to avoid raising the rate of pay needed to retain the local talent.
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