Cockroaches?

[SuperchargedRS]

Supercharged, just curious -- under your logic, if you want to call it that,

You must like lockouts then. Preferable to a company shifting work to another country? Same thing, right? Just deny employment.

I'm guessing not.

Freemarket to an extent


But yeah, you don't like what a company does moving jobs away, don't do business, and push YOUR government, because the bastards work for YOU, to tariff the crap out of that company.

They are free to move jobs, you are free to pressure government to make life hard for them, airlines are free to pay crap, you are free to not fly for them, no pilots no flying, no flying to revenue for the airline, and given enough losses the airlines are going to fix that problem by tossing some much needed money at it, or they'll shut down and someone a little smarter will start up and go right where they went wrong.

[rookiepilot]

Supercharged, just curious -- under your logic, if you want to call it that,

You must like lockouts then. Preferable to a company shifting work to another country? Same thing, right? Just deny employment.

I'm guessing not.

Freemarket to an extent


But yeah, you don't like what a company does moving jobs away, don't do business, and push YOUR government, because the bastards work for YOU, to tariff the crap out of that company.

They are free to move jobs, you are free to pressure government to make life hard for them, airlines are free to pay crap, you are free to not fly for them, no pilots no flying, no flying to revenue for the airline, and given enough losses the airlines are going to fix that problem by tossing some much needed money at it, or they'll shut down and someone a little smarter will start up and go right where they went wrong.

You ought to study what happens when governments raise minimum wages too far. Job losses.

And companies are free to close their doors. Everyone has choice.

Anyway, I'm not in the industry, don't really care, but I don't work for other people. I'm a free agent, and if I was flying, and China or other places were far better, and I didn't mind the lifestyle, I'd be gone In a heartbeat.

Hey, I like Canada, but my own security is far more important than the union "brotherhood"

LOL --

[SuperchargedRS]

I'm not talking minimum wage.

[confusedalot]

Couple of things that ALPA calculated in the past...

''pilot pay'' constitutes 4% of total operating expenses.

If airfares were raised by 10-20 dollars per ticket, (so your 400 dollar ticket now costs 420 dollars), we wouldn't even be having this conversation, since there would not be a ''problem''.

Carry on.....

As an afterthought, few employees in the airline business, if any, make minimum wage.

[telex]

Here's what a scab is:

"A strikebreaker (sometimes derogatorily called a scab, blackleg, or knobstick) is a person who works despite an ongoing strike. Strikebreakers are usually individuals who are not employed by the company prior to the trade union dispute, but rather hired after or during the strike to keep the organization running."

In your world this only applies if one goes to work in the US with no strike action? One is not more or less a scab. One is or one is not.

Yeah, exactly

Basically the whole countries experienced pilot population is on "strike", they aren't going to work for crap pay, so the crap paying regionals are having staffing issues, thus are slowly raising their pay, though they still have a WAYS to go.

Can you provide any evidence to support your claim?

[Oldguystrtn2fly]

Couple of things that ALPA calculated in the past...

''pilot pay'' constitutes 4% of total operating expenses.

If airfares were raised by 10-20 dollars per ticket, (so your 400 dollar ticket now costs 420 dollars), we wouldn't even be having this conversation, since there would not be a ''problem''.

Carry on.....

As an afterthought, few employees in the airline business, if any, make minimum wage.

If every industry did this, raised the cost to the consumer, so in fact everything increased in cost, would the raise to the worker actually mean anything? I mean they have to buy things too right.

[rookiepilot]

Couple of things that ALPA calculated in the past...

''pilot pay'' constitutes 4% of total operating expenses.

If airfares were raised by 10-20 dollars per ticket, (so your 400 dollar ticket now costs 420 dollars), we wouldn't even be having this conversation, since there would not be a ''problem''.

Carry on.....

As an afterthought, few employees in the airline business, if any, make minimum wage.

If every industry did this, raised the cost to the consumer, so in fact everything increased in cost, would the raise to the worker actually mean anything? I mean they have to buy things too right.

Someone who gets it.

[co-joe]

Or you could try to fix your own country instead of screwing with another country.

Go fly corporate or something...

Yeah OK Marie Antoinette. Let them eat cake...

[justwork]

So I've noticed in a few recent posts that many Canadian pilots seem to be eager to flee Canada for "greener pastures", such as the US where pilots refuse to work for crap pay, maybe instead of being a importable cheap labor, might it be a better idea to just fix the industry in Canada instead of being scabs?

I mean if you don't take the low paying jobs, the companies will ether raise the pay or shut it the frack down, ether way its a win.


Just a thought

Who is the cockroach? I left Canada because I can make 5 times the money, and work half the time, if I work overseas. So to me, you're the cockroach for sticking it out at any airline in Canada.

[SuperchargedRS]

I said it like 5 times already.

Going to another country without a strong pilot population to fill jobs, fine.

Going to a another country (USA) that has a even stronger pilot population than Canada to take a job Americans don't take due to the pay being low, being a roach

[telex]

I said it like 5 times already.

Going to another country without a strong pilot population to fill jobs, fine.

Going to a another country (USA) that has a even stronger pilot population than Canada to take a job Americans don't take due to the pay being low, being a roach

Are you serious or still drunk from your new year's drinking binge?

Where is evidence of this epidemic of Canadian pilots crossing the border to take low paying regional jobs in the USA?

In your delusion what countries do you think Canadians could work in without you labelling them a roach? Or is it scab?

[SuperchargedRS]

I said it like 5 times already.

Going to another country without a strong pilot population to fill jobs, fine.

Going to a another country (USA) that has a even stronger pilot population than Canada to take a job Americans don't take due to the pay being low, being a roach

Are you serious or still drunk from your new year's drinking binge?

Where is evidence of this epidemic of Canadian pilots crossing the border to take low paying regional jobs in the USA?

In your delusion what countries do you think Canadians could work in without you labelling them a roach? Or is it scab?

Did I say there was an "epidemic" of Canadians coming down south?
No, I didn't, I even said that they wouldn't be able to get a visa anyways.

This topic was related to a few other threads where folks talked about going down south to work if they could.

You really should read the whole thread before you comment, maybe take notes too lol


As per the second part, dude.... again with reading, here let me quote myself, sound each word out and let me know if you need further assistance.


"Going to another country without a strong pilot population to fill jobs, fine.

Going to a another country (USA) that has a even stronger pilot population than Canada to take a job Americans don't take due to the pay being low, being a roach"

[rookiepilot]

RS -- Dude. You Got a lotta passion for this subject of Canadian pay. So I got a suggestion for you.

(Read slowly and carefully.)

Borrow a million or 2,

Start an aviation company,

Pay twice what everyone else is paying.

Lead by example, dude. With your dough.

We will all be inspired. I promise.

[telex]

I said it like 5 times already.

Going to another country without a strong pilot population to fill jobs, fine.

Going to a another country (USA) that has a even stronger pilot population than Canada to take a job Americans don't take due to the pay being low, being a roach

Are you serious or still drunk from your new year's drinking binge?

Where is evidence of this epidemic of Canadian pilots crossing the border to take low paying regional jobs in the USA?

In your delusion what countries do you think Canadians could work in without you labelling them a roach? Or is it scab?

Did I say there was an "epidemic" of Canadians coming down south?
No, I didn't, I even said that they wouldn't be able to get a visa anyways.

This topic was related to a few other threads where folks talked about going down south to work if they could.

You really should read the whole thread before you comment, maybe take notes too lol


As per the second part, dude.... again with reading, here let me quote myself, sound each word out and let me know if you need further assistance.


"Going to another country without a strong pilot population to fill jobs, fine.

Going to a another country (USA) that has a even stronger pilot population than Canada to take a job Americans don't take due to the pay being low, being a roach"

I can't figure out why you are only interested in protecting American jobs. Your philosophy is border dependant? So again what countries do you allow a Canadian to work in without applying your label of scab or roach?
You say the experienced pilots in the entire USA are on strike against low paying regional jobs? Who is in that group? The the Navajo and KingAir pilots or who are you referencing? It's a group of individuals with no association who are refusing advancement into jets to improve the industry? The least experienced people in the industry are going to improve it by themselves as an unorganized group of individuals?
Can you explain your experience and involvement in the American industry? I'm sure it would help me understand.

[SuperchargedRS]

RS -- Dude. You Got a lotta passion for this subject of Canadian pay. So I got a suggestion for you.

(Read slowly and carefully.)

Borrow a million or 2,

Start an aviation company,

Pay twice what everyone else is paying.

Lead by example, dude. With your dough.

We will all be inspired. I promise.

Sweet baby jesus.....

I am leading by example since I won't work for a crap paying airline....

[telex]

RS -- Dude. You Got a lotta passion for this subject of Canadian pay. So I got a suggestion for you.

(Read slowly and carefully.)

Borrow a million or 2,

Start an aviation company,

Pay twice what everyone else is paying.

Lead by example, dude. With your dough.

We will all be inspired. I promise.

Sweet baby jesus.....

I am leading by example since I won't work for a crap paying airline....

You're an inspiration to low timers like me.
Can you provide a list of countries you deem acceptable for Canadians not to be labeled scabs or roaches and the minimum pay that would be acceptable to you?
Sharing your success and greatness with us is solid motivation to follow in your footsteps.

[justwork]

RS -- Dude. You Got a lotta passion for this subject of Canadian pay. So I got a suggestion for you.

(Read slowly and carefully.)

Borrow a million or 2,

Start an aviation company,

Pay twice what everyone else is paying.

Lead by example, dude. With your dough.

We will all be inspired. I promise.

Sweet baby jesus.....

I am leading by example since I won't work for a crap paying airline....

So you don’t work in Canada then?

[goingnowherefast]

The reason pilots aren't working in the states is because nobody wants to be a pilot there anymore. Word got out that they paid crap 2 years ago. Ergo, nobody went through training. Few new pilots. Now that pay went up, bad reputation takes a while to change. There isn't this mythical 50 000 FAA ATP pilots working at McD's waiting to fly a CRJ200 for 100g a year. The US airline industry has made the job so unappealing that nobody wanted to do it. Improve conditions to way above what was offered (and what Canada offers) and it still takes time for the reputation to change.

[SuperchargedRS]

The reason pilots aren't working in the states is because nobody wants to be a pilot there anymore. Word got out that they paid crap 2 years ago. Ergo, nobody went through training. Few new pilots. Now that pay went up, bad reputation takes a while to change. There isn't this mythical 50 000 FAA ATP pilots working at McD's waiting to fly a CRJ200 for 100g a year. The US airline industry has made the job so unappealing that nobody wanted to do it. Improve conditions to way above what was offered (and what Canada offers) and it still takes time for the reputation to change.

For one, the US has more qualified pilots than probably any other country.

For two most regional pilots ain't making 100kUSD a year clean (just off CBA)

For three lots of pilots making money in other facets of aviation, not hard to walk into a nice 135 gig with the same qualifications that a regional looks for.

Also the cost of flight training and lack of being able to borrow money for it has been a big factor in how many pilots have been getting churned out.

[SuperchargedRS]

RS -- Dude. You Got a lotta passion for this subject of Canadian pay. So I got a suggestion for you.

(Read slowly and carefully.)

Borrow a million or 2,

Start an aviation company,

Pay twice what everyone else is paying.

Lead by example, dude. With your dough.

We will all be inspired. I promise.

Sweet baby jesus.....

I am leading by example since I won't work for a crap paying airline....

So you don’t work in Canada then?

Currently no.

But I was also born just outside of studio city.