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Re: Emirates

#26 Post by AuxBatOn » Thu May 03, 2018 8:03 pm

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Don't forget at EK there is currently a 5 year/45000USD bond if you decide to go.

Not sure what it is a the Etihad but I'm sure it's not that high....
And honestly, who can say what the situation is going to be like in the Middle East 5 years from now? Even 2 years...
So, you advocate that people should stop living and make plans, shelter at home, in case something bad happens?!
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Re: Emirates

#27 Post by Boreas » Fri May 04, 2018 1:33 am

Ummm, no don't "stop living"... :rolleyes:

Just don't jump head-first into a 5 year / $45 000 bond that might trap you in the Middle East. Oil isn't what it was 10 years ago and it never will.
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Re: Emirates

#28 Post by Eric Janson » Fri May 04, 2018 6:06 am

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Thu May 03, 2018 1:12 am

Oh yeah, you're just like a local all right, making 1000X the salary of the average worker in (for example, your previous gig) SE Asia. Just a regular joe. You're really experiencing that culture, sure, sure. Just at a higher pay grade, amiright? (fist bump)

Sorry, but being proficient with chopsticks does NOT mean you're really "embracing the culture". Marry a local, learn the language, raise your family there, support her whole village, and spend the rest of your life in your adopted country - THAT's really experiencing "other cultures". Not buying a scooter and knowing where the best biryani is to be found.

So spare us the 'Seven Years in Tibet' schtick, please. You're still a mercenary wearing local clothes no matter how you phrase it. Nothing wrong with that, but the sanctimonious "I'm so authentic" expats are just as annoying as the black Range Rover wannabe rockstars.
@Complex

You're reading an awful lot into my posts - there's a difference between experiencing the culture and embracing the culture.

As Expat I'm obviously not a local nor will I ever be one - it's about respecting their way of doing things and learning how to live as a guest in their country. That does require a lot of flexibility - it's not for everyone.

At the end of the day I'm just a guy trying to make the best of his situation - I'm assuming that's the same for you?

My colleague flying with me at the moment is a former Emirates Pilot - his comments on the current situation in Dubai/Emirates are similar to what I have posted.

Just wondering - would you recommend Dubai/Emirates to your friends?
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Re: Emirates

#29 Post by rudder » Fri May 04, 2018 7:58 am

If Emirates were parking billions of dollars of aircraft solely due to pilot staffing shortfalls then they would have already considered offshore basing in order to attract more candidates. They are not and have not.

The deal in the desert is what it is. Works well for some, not for others.
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Re: Emirates

#30 Post by Mach1 » Fri May 04, 2018 2:46 pm

Boreas wrote:
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Oil isn't what it was 10 years ago and it never will.
Just curious but; What are you basing that on?
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Re: Emirates

#31 Post by Boreas » Fri May 04, 2018 3:06 pm

Mach1 wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 2:46 pm
Boreas wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 1:33 am
Oil isn't what it was 10 years ago and it never will.
Just curious but; What are you basing that on?
Haha, are you from Alberta by any chance? Did that hit a nerve?

The writing is on the wall and the Saudis know it. Wasn't there a coup attempt a couple of weeks ago in Riyadh that they're trying to cover up?
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Re: Emirates

#32 Post by iamnomaverick » Sat May 05, 2018 12:00 pm

Boreas wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 3:06 pm
Mach1 wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 2:46 pm
Boreas wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 1:33 am
Oil isn't what it was 10 years ago and it never will.
Just curious but; What are you basing that on?
Haha, are you from Alberta by any chance? Did that hit a nerve?

The writing is on the wall and the Saudis know it. Wasn't there a coup attempt a couple of weeks ago in Riyadh that they're trying to cover up?
Boreas, The UAE is not as dependant on oil (specially the Emirate of Dubai) as you may think... The new Dubai was built to be the Hong Kong of the Middle East/new Hong Kong so it is heavenly reliant on free trade, tourism and transportation (both commercial goods/transiting merchandise and private). Over two third of the world’s population live between Asia and Africa so naturally they are trying to take advantage of their strategic location to become a hub for trade between the two continents. A lot of major companies have either headquarters or branches here and business is booming regardless of oil prices.

As for Emirates parking airplanes, I think it’s all about optimizing their routes right now, the code share with Flydubai has proven to be a huge success for both companies as it means they can optimize their networks to serve both businesses and help them grow...I think we will all hear more on this soon.

I know this first hand, they have MANY applicants coming to Dubai for Interviews and not many pass from what I have seen so they are not as desperate as you may think.
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Re: Emirates

#33 Post by iamnomaverick » Sat May 05, 2018 12:00 pm

Boreas wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 3:06 pm
Mach1 wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 2:46 pm
Boreas wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 1:33 am
Oil isn't what it was 10 years ago and it never will.
Just curious but; What are you basing that on?
Haha, are you from Alberta by any chance? Did that hit a nerve?

The writing is on the wall and the Saudis know it. Wasn't there a coup attempt a couple of weeks ago in Riyadh that they're trying to cover up?
Boreas, The UAE is not as dependant on oil (specially the Emirate of Dubai) as you may think... The new Dubai was built to be the Hong Kong of the Middle East/new Hong Kong so it is heavely reliant on free trade, tourism and transportation (both commercial goods/transiting merchandise and private). Over two third of the world’s population live between Asia and Africa so naturally they are trying to take advantage of their strategic location to become a hub for trade between the two continents. A lot of major companies have either headquarters or branches here and business is booming regardless of oil prices.

As for Emirates parking airplanes, I think it’s all about optimizing their routes right now, the code share with Flydubai has proven to be a huge success for both companies as it means they can optimize their networks to serve both businesses and help them grow...I think we will all hear more on this soon.

I know this first hand, they have MANY applicants coming to Dubai for Interviews and not many pass from what I have seen so they are not as desperate as you may think.
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Re: Emirates

#34 Post by square » Sat May 05, 2018 5:29 pm

This may be a dumb question, but can you bring your dog? Seems like walking would be terrible and you wouldn't have a yard to ignore him in, and that he'd die in the yard. Especially with a active breed, for example the most active breed you can find.

What is life like for a expat dog in Dubai?

And, secondly, does he need a passport?
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Re: Emirates

#35 Post by Mach1 » Sat May 05, 2018 7:57 pm

Boreas wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 3:06 pm
Haha, are you from Alberta by any chance? Did that hit a nerve?

The writing is on the wall and the Saudis know it. Wasn't there a coup attempt a couple of weeks ago in Riyadh that they're trying to cover up?
You didn't answer my question.

You seem to lack a fundamental understanding of the world around you. All synthetics in this world from your iPhone, to the power insulators for electric transmission, to your clothes are all made from oil byproducts. This will be a complicated and long process to get off the oil based economy. No nerves need be hit, I am just curious upon what you are basing your opinion? Rather than a glib answer from a eco-pamphlet you read once, try answering the question.
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Re: Emirates

#36 Post by square » Sat May 05, 2018 9:11 pm

Boreas wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 3:06 pm
Haha, are you from Alberta by any chance? Did that hit a nerve?

The writing is on the wall and the Saudis know it. Wasn't there a coup attempt a couple of weeks ago in Riyadh that they're trying to cover up?
The arrests were done by the crown Prince, he's already in power, he's consolidating it. That's about Saudi money and power, not oil.
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Re: Emirates

#37 Post by tbaylx » Sun May 06, 2018 6:18 am

iamnomaverick wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 12:00 pm
Boreas wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 3:06 pm
Mach1 wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 2:46 pm


Just curious but; What are you basing that on?
Haha, are you from Alberta by any chance? Did that hit a nerve?

The writing is on the wall and the Saudis know it. Wasn't there a coup attempt a couple of weeks ago in Riyadh that they're trying to cover up?
Boreas, The UAE is not as dependant on oil (specially the Emirate of Dubai) as you may think... The new Dubai was built to be the Hong Kong of the Middle East/new Hong Kong so it is heavely reliant on free trade, tourism and transportation (both commercial goods/transiting merchandise and private). Over two third of the world’s population live between Asia and Africa so naturally they are trying to take advantage of their strategic location to become a hub for trade between the two continents. A lot of major companies have either headquarters or branches here and business is booming regardless of oil prices.

As for Emirates parking airplanes, I think it’s all about optimizing their routes right now, the code share with Flydubai has proven to be a huge success for both companies as it means they can optimize their networks to serve both businesses and help them grow...I think we will all hear more on this soon.

I know this first hand, they have MANY applicants coming to Dubai for Interviews and not many pass from what I have seen so they are not as desperate as you may think.
More then 85% of the UAE's GDP is oil based, that qualifies as heavily dependent on oil regardless of one emirate's attempts to diversify.

Dubai itself may not have much revenue from petroleum hence why they are trying to invent themselves into something other than a petroleum state, but the area as a whole will live and die based on oil prices and revenue for the foreseeable future. The UAE only relevant as a business center because of their relative political stability compared to their neighbours and oil.
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Re: Emirates

#38 Post by iamnomaverick » Sun May 06, 2018 10:05 am

square wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 5:29 pm
This may be a dumb question, but can you bring your dog? Seems like walking would be terrible and you wouldn't have a yard to ignore him in, and that he'd die in the yard. Especially with a active breed, for example the most active breed you can find.

What is life like for a expat dog in Dubai?

And, secondly, does he need a passport?
Yes you can, a friend of mine just brought his dog from Alberta. It is a lengthy and expensive process from what I understand(blood tests that take a a while, vet check up/clearance, must be shipped as cargo). I am not sure how they fare here in the summer but I see a lot of expats with dogs (and sadly a lot of dogs are left behind after their expat owners abandon them and move back). If you are actually coming then I can ask for you.
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Re: Emirates

#39 Post by iamnomaverick » Sun May 06, 2018 10:37 am

tbaylx wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 6:18 am
iamnomaverick wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 12:00 pm
Boreas wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 3:06 pm
Haha, are you from Alberta by any chance? Did that hit a nerve?

The writing is on the wall and the Saudis know it. Wasn't there a coup attempt a couple of weeks ago in Riyadh that they're trying to cover up?
Boreas, The UAE is not as dependant on oil (specially the Emirate of Dubai) as you may think... The new Dubai was built to be the Hong Kong of the Middle East/new Hong Kong so it is heavely reliant on free trade, tourism and transportation (both commercial goods/transiting merchandise and private). Over two third of the world’s population live between Asia and Africa so naturally they are trying to take advantage of their strategic location to become a hub for trade between the two continents. A lot of major companies have either headquarters or branches here and business is booming regardless of oil prices.

As for Emirates parking airplanes, I think it’s all about optimizing their routes right now, the code share with Flydubai has proven to be a huge success for both companies as it means they can optimize their networks to serve both businesses and help them grow...I think we will all hear more on this soon.

I know this first hand, they have MANY applicants coming to Dubai for Interviews and not many pass from what I have seen so they are not as desperate as you may think.
More then 85% of the UAE's GDP is oil based, that qualifies as heavily dependent on oil regardless of one emirate's attempts to diversify.

Dubai itself may not have much revenue from petroleum hence why they are trying to invent themselves into something other than a petroleum state, but the area as a whole will live and die based on oil prices and revenue for the foreseeable future. The UAE only relevant as a business center because of their relative political stability compared to their neighbours and oil.
Just curious where you got that figure from as I wasn't able to find it. Regardless, I think Dubai has been successful in diversifying its economy.

In any case the whole thread was in regards to Emirates and if it is worth it to come here. A question I struggled with myself before coming here...
Every one's situation is different, money is not everything so if you are happy making 50K a year as a professional airline pilot then be it, it is your life, your choice and no one can judge you for it. Hell I may have stayed too if I wasn't in my mid 30s and needed to actually feel like I am getting ahead. I think everyone agrees the pay for airline pilots in Canada is a joke.
I remember having a discussion with the Uber driver on my way to work one day just to find out that he made more money than me...I have friends who went to trade schools for 6 months to a year right after highschool and they have been making six figures for years while I was slugging it up north loading/washing/cleaning crap(literally) and eating Kraft dinner so I can one day make it to the "big league".
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Re: Emirates

#40 Post by tbaylx » Sun May 06, 2018 11:33 am

iamnomaverick wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 10:37 am
tbaylx wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 6:18 am
iamnomaverick wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 12:00 pm


Boreas, The UAE is not as dependant on oil (specially the Emirate of Dubai) as you may think... The new Dubai was built to be the Hong Kong of the Middle East/new Hong Kong so it is heavely reliant on free trade, tourism and transportation (both commercial goods/transiting merchandise and private). Over two third of the world’s population live between Asia and Africa so naturally they are trying to take advantage of their strategic location to become a hub for trade between the two continents. A lot of major companies have either headquarters or branches here and business is booming regardless of oil prices.

As for Emirates parking airplanes, I think it’s all about optimizing their routes right now, the code share with Flydubai has proven to be a huge success for both companies as it means they can optimize their networks to serve both businesses and help them grow...I think we will all hear more on this soon.

I know this first hand, they have MANY applicants coming to Dubai for Interviews and not many pass from what I have seen so they are not as desperate as you may think.
More then 85% of the UAE's GDP is oil based, that qualifies as heavily dependent on oil regardless of one emirate's attempts to diversify.

Dubai itself may not have much revenue from petroleum hence why they are trying to invent themselves into something other than a petroleum state, but the area as a whole will live and die based on oil prices and revenue for the foreseeable future. The UAE only relevant as a business center because of their relative political stability compared to their neighbours and oil.
Just curious where you got that figure from as I wasn't able to find it. Regardless, I think Dubai has been successful in diversifying its economy.

In any case the whole thread was in regards to Emirates and if it is worth it to come here. A question I struggled with myself before coming here...
Every one's situation is different, money is not everything so if you are happy making 50K a year as a professional airline pilot then be it, it is your life, your choice and no one can judge you for it. Hell I may have stayed too if I wasn't in my mid 30s and needed to actually feel like I am getting ahead. I think everyone agrees the pay for airline pilots in Canada is a joke.
I remember having a discussion with the Uber driver on my way to work one day just to find out that he made more money than me...I have friends who went to trade schools for 6 months to a year right after highschool and they have been making six figures for years while I was slugging it up north loading/washing/cleaning crap(literally) and eating Kraft dinner so I can one day make it to the "big league".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_o ... b_Emirates

Yup the pay is better as an expat. Eventually that isn't enough for most and you want to come home, except then you get to start as an FO at the bottom of the seniority system again fro $50k a year, or you get trapped into staying because you can't afford to come home and then you become a pissed off expat bitching over beers at Barasti while all the pilots who just moved there tell you how great things are. Its the circle of expat life.
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Re: Emirates

#41 Post by Boreas » Sun May 06, 2018 4:32 pm

The oil industry won't collapse overnight - I'm not suggesting that. It doesn't have to collapse though.

The only thing holding the region together (radical Islam at bay) is a lot of money from oil exports. As soon as peak demand comes along - BP keep moving their estimate closer and closer - prices will tank and a couple of years after that, the place will be about as stable as your average Lion Air approach.

Of course, that's just my opinion. You're more than welcome to disagree. We'll see in about 10 years time.

In the meantime, all I'm saying is that I would think twice about jumping into a career in the Middle East in 2018.
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#42 Post by AuxBatOn » Sun May 06, 2018 5:12 pm

You know peak oil was predicted to be 2011? I also assume you are aware that we are in 2018 in the same calendar system?
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#43 Post by Boreas » Sun May 06, 2018 5:24 pm

AuxBatOn wrote:
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You know peak oil was predicted to be 2011? I also assume you are aware that we are in 2018 in the same calendar system?
You're confusing "peak oil" [output] with "peak demand". Look it up before chirping about calendar systems...
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#44 Post by AuxBatOn » Sun May 06, 2018 5:28 pm

It is essentially the same thing, except that peak demand was made up after people realized peak oil wasn't materializing. Just some other made up event in the medium term future by alarmists to get the crowds going.
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#45 Post by Boreas » Sun May 06, 2018 5:32 pm

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It is essentially the same thing, except that peak demand was made up after people realized peak oil wasn't materializing. Just some other made up event in the medium term future by alarmists to get the crowds going.
Its the polar opposite actually, and it will happen. Its only a question of when.
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#46 Post by AuxBatOn » Sun May 06, 2018 5:46 pm

Dude, I know it's the opposite. But it is still only a mechanism employed by fatalists to drive people away from oil. In that sense, it's the same thing.

What these theories fail to take into account is the resilience of the human race and its ability to innovate when they absolutely have to.

Yes, we'll reach a point far in the future when oil demand will decline. But:

1- When that happens, you and I will either be very old or, more likely, will be dead.
2- When it happens, other industries will have taken the vacuum left by the oil.

No need to make career choices based on fatalist theories.
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#47 Post by complexintentions » Sun May 06, 2018 5:58 pm

Eric Janson wrote:
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@Complex

You're reading an awful lot into my posts - there's a difference between experiencing the culture and embracing the culture.

As Expat I'm obviously not a local nor will I ever be one - it's about respecting their way of doing things and learning how to live as a guest in their country. That does require a lot of flexibility - it's not for everyone.

At the end of the day I'm just a guy trying to make the best of his situation - I'm assuming that's the same for you?

My colleague flying with me at the moment is a former Emirates Pilot - his comments on the current situation in Dubai/Emirates are similar to what I have posted.

Just wondering - would you recommend Dubai/Emirates to your friends?

hi Eric,

Fair enough re: culture. What appeals to one is a complete turnoff to another - it's a matter of opinion and taste. I would never have chosen to live in Sri Lanka, for example. I would not dismiss working there for someone else though based on my opinion of the place.

And that's the thing - I don't "recommend" people going to Emirates, or not going to Emirates - or anywhere. For such a massive decision, it has to be the individual's choice entirely. However, I'm regularly approached by people asking for my opinion and actual experiences there, so I try to offer them as completely as possible. Views such as yours re: Dubai do come across as quite one-sided - which isn't to say you aren't entitled to them. To reiterate: layovers somewhere, or the self-reinforcing views of friends there, are just not the same as living there. As you of all people should well know.

And I certainly am no fan of many aspects of EK and Dubai life, I've been pretty damn critical many times. I can't relate to your question as the majority of my pilot friends are the same demographic as me and aren't in the market for such advice. But those who do ask, I look at their whole picture and absolutely consider it for anyone that feels it could benefit them, after informed consideration. Because, as much as there were/are many negatives to my own expat life in Dubai, I can't possibly deny that on the whole it was massively successful and lucrative for me professionally, financially, and personally. Advising someone to throw away an opportunity - yes, it has associated risks and downsides - is not my, or anyone's place.

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Oh, and oil ain't going anywhere in our lifetime. It'll get more expensive, as things that deplete do. But it isn't going anywhere for the simple reason that there just isn't any alternative even close to carbon-based sources for recoverable energy output. Notable exception is nuclear, which has a couple obstacles to implementation as a replacement - particularly in air transport! :lol:

I sometimes wonder where people think the energy to manufacture solar panels or power electric cars comes from. Some very basic research would show just how minuscule energy sources other than oil/gas/coal are globally. Oil dependence? How much has 1.60/l gas in YVR decreased people driving? :mrgreen:

Smart people would sell that valuable resource and do something intelligent with it. Like, oh, Norway. But Canadians are known for being nice, not smart.
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#48 Post by Duncan Idaho » Sun May 06, 2018 8:37 pm

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Oh, and oil ain't going anywhere in our lifetime. It'll get more expensive, as things that deplete do. But it isn't going anywhere for the simple reason that there just isn't any alternative even close to carbon-based sources for recoverable energy output. Notable exception is nuclear, which has a couple obstacles to implementation as a replacement - particularly in air transport! :lol:

I sometimes wonder where people think the energy to manufacture solar panels or power electric cars comes from. Some very basic research would show just how minuscule energy sources other than oil/gas/coal are globally.
This is true. So long as we have oil, we'll use it up. When it becomes prohibitively expensive, we'll move on. I don't think any of you really believe that we won't be able to engineer new solutions. When things like artificial general intelligence, nanotechnology, robotics and biochemistry get along to a place they're projected at, things are going to be different. Nuclear has been widely accepted in France and it works great, but we still have to work on how American moms got scared by three-mile island. That will be the equivalent of a sewer backup by the time next-gen technologies emerge.

Everything that changes in aviation has to be accepted by every other industry first, so even when computers do every single thing on an airplane with a nuclear engine, there will be at least one pilot on board in case it falls off or something. The future is only around the corner.
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Re: Emirates

#49 Post by Mach1 » Mon May 07, 2018 8:20 am

Boreas wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 3:06 pm
Mach1 wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 2:46 pm
Boreas wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 1:33 am
Oil isn't what it was 10 years ago and it never will.
Just curious but; What are you basing that on?
Haha, are you from Alberta by any chance? Did that hit a nerve?
Well, since you won't answer me, I presume you have no answer. Should I sink to your level and say "Haha, are you from Ontario by any chance? B. C. by any chance? Does it hit a nerve that people get paid more than you or pay less taxes? Does it hit a nerve that the "You can fix any problem by taxing it" philosophy is not working? If you lack the emotional maturity or experience in life to hold a discussion without attempting to throw mud at people, in this case an entire province of your own country that you have likely never visited, then you should hold your opinions to yourself or the echo chamber of friends you have.

Oil is a commodity and trades just like all other commodities. Prices go up and prices go down. The more rare the commodity, the higher the price goes until we find something to completely replace that commodity. The reason prices are low is because there is too much oil on the market, no other reason.

I am likely far more of an environmentalist than you through my actions rather than slacktivism on the internet. I'm also a realist. It took 150 years to build the worlds current economy and it will take at least that long to dismantle and replace it. Where I do or do not live has little to do with that understanding of the world.
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Oh, and oil ain't going anywhere in our lifetime. It'll get more expensive, as things that deplete do. But it isn't going anywhere for the simple reason that there just isn't any alternative even close to carbon-based sources for recoverable energy output. Notable exception is nuclear, which has a couple obstacles to implementation as a replacement - particularly in air transport! :lol:

I sometimes wonder where people think the energy to manufacture solar panels or power electric cars comes from. Some very basic research would show just how minuscule energy sources other than oil/gas/coal are globally. Oil dependence? How much has 1.60/l gas in YVR decreased people driving? :mrgreen:

Smart people would sell that valuable resource and do something intelligent with it. Like, oh, Norway. But Canadians are known for being nice, not smart.
This is a full understanding of the situation.
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Re: Emirates

#50 Post by Boreas » Tue May 08, 2018 2:07 am

Yeah, things get more expensive if there's demand for them.

Demand for oil will peak and it will decrease. Once this happens everyone who is sitting on any sort of deposit will be climb over each other to pump it out while its still worth something.

Cue total shit-show in the Middle East.

I'll check back here in about 10 years.
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