US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

[complexintentions]

Immediate family member is a CBSA officer. There are lots of daily examples of different ideas each country has about what is to be enforced more strenously. Canada has always treated US DUI convictions more harshly than the Americans treat similar Canadian convictions, for example.

The bizarre thing about the US and marijuana is they can't even pull their heads out to resolve the fact that certain of their own states have legalized pot, while it remains criminalized federally. But the border protection is most definitely federal and can bar entry for whatever they want. Draconian, but legal.

[rookiepilot]

But the border protection is most definitely federal and can bar entry for whatever they want. Draconian, but legal.

....and that is true in every country out there.

[goingnowherefast]

So are they going to deny entry to their own citizens who use pot legally in the legal states?

[complexintentions]

But the border protection is most definitely federal and can bar entry for whatever they want. Draconian, but legal.

....and that is true in every country out there.

Um...yes, but not really relevant to a discussion about a specific issue crossing one specific border. Pretty sure there aren't any other countries barring Canadians from entering their countries based solely on their investment in pot. Are there, do you know?

And while we're at it let's stop all this nonsense about Canada having a special relationship with the US and accept that we're just another enemy/competitor as they view every other country now.

Say, is America great again yet? Jes wonderin'...

[YYZSaabGuy]

And while we're at it let's stop all this nonsense about Canada having a special relationship with the US and accept that we're just another enemy/competitor as they view every other country now.

Exactly. And while we`re at it, enough of the bleeting about how 'our friend' Mexico left us at the NAFTA altar in favour of a bilateral deal with the U.S. And about how our 'European friends' shockingly didn't rally to our support when we lectured the Saudis about human rights.

It's a jungle out there, and the only people who will look after our interests are ourselves. Time we grew a pair, already.

[Boeing757]

Lol you don’t even own the shares. If you bank with TD or any bank, it says shares bought or sold by the applicable trading firm. If you get denied you outed your self. This is why shares can be shorted since there in the banks name. But let’s be honest here pilots like to brag ( big sunglasses and useless sized watch) so I can see junoir pilots outting then selves sha

[Inverted2]

The only way this is going to get you into trouble is if you’re being an asshole at the border. They aren’t going to dig that far into your financial activity unless you run your mouth and give them a reason.
As the old saying goes: Just Say No!

[pianokeys]

I'm sure there are more than a few lawyers who would be more than interested in taking up the case.

So you want to spend $50,000 in legal fees just to enter the worst country on earth?

I knew I shouldve sold my stocks in Marapharm.

[HansDietrich]

Don't answer the question. Say "If I refuse to answer that question, will I be denied entry?"

You will be denied entry for the day, but not banned "for life"...

[HansDietrich]

So owning stocks in Pot companies, in a country (Canada) where it is (will be) legal, makes you a criminal, but owning stocks in General Dynamics, Ratheon, etc that make weapons that kill millions of people a year is NOT ILLEGAL! Got it. With each passing day I have less and less desire to travel to 'Merica. Unfortunately, our jobs take us there whether we want to or not. Canadian politicians and their policies failed to realize how much of a risk it is to base most of our economy with trade with the US. That will change though.

[digits_]

It isn't law abiding in the United States....just saying.
We need to respect this.

Why? The US doesn't determine what is legal in Canada. You are not breaking any law in the United States by owning Canadian stock in a Canadian bank account. Just like Americans aren't breaking any Canadian laws by owning automatic weapons in the US.

You could argue they can decide who can and can not enter the US, but if they start pulling stunts like that, Canada could (and should, really) do the same. Or any country could start acting like that. It would be a disaster.

[Lightchop]

It isn't law abiding in the United States....just saying.
We need to respect this.

Why? The US doesn't determine what is legal in Canada. You are not breaking any law in the United States by owning Canadian stock in a Canadian bank account. Just like Americans aren't breaking any Canadian laws by owning automatic weapons in the US.

You could argue they can decide who can and can not enter the US, but if they start pulling stunts like that, Canada could (and should, really) do the same. Or any country could start acting like that. It would be a disaster.

You hit the nail on the head.

[FICU]

Is the US referring to recreational pot investment? Canadians have been investing in medical pot companies for years with no repercussions from our Murican border friends that I know of.

[Victory]

Is the US referring to recreational pot investment? Canadians have been investing in medical pot companies for years with no repercussions from our Murican border friends that I know of.

Medical marijuana may be legal in some U.S. states, but it remains illegal under U.S. federal law. It's a Schedule 1 substance, defined as having no medical use and a high potential for abuse. As an immigration lawyer said, "You might as well be doing business with Pablo Escobar, selling cocaine in the U.S." The feds would see it in the same way. It may be ridiculous but this is the situation.

[C.W.E.]

So you want to spend $50,000 in legal fees just to enter the worst country on earth?

Obviously you have not travelled much if you think the USA is the worst country on earth.

Or you are just saying that for effect.

I am amazed at the amount of dislike for America there is in the pilot group, however regardless of your personal feelings they can and will deny you entry if they want to.

And if you are flying for an airline that may affect your employment status.

One of the best flying jobs I ever had was flying an American registered airplane for a private company under part 91, it was light years ahead of flying anything registered under Canadian regstration.

And two of my pilots licenses were done in the U.S. one in Detroit and one in Oregon.

[HansDietrich]

So you want to spend $50,000 in legal fees just to enter the worst country on earth?

Obviously you have not travelled much if you think the USA is the worst country on earth.

Or you are just saying that for effect.

I am amazed at the amount of dislike for America there is in the pilot group, however regardless of your personal feelings they can and will deny you entry if they want to.

And if you are flying for an airline that may affect your employment status.

One of the best flying jobs I ever had was flying an American registered airplane for a private company under part 91, it was light years ahead of flying anything registered under Canadian regstration.

And two of my pilots licenses were done in the U.S. one in Detroit and one in Oregon.

Why are you amazed? I have very little desire to go there. Every time I cross that border I feel like a "criminal" or at the very best an "unwanted alien". That's how the Border Service makes me feel. It gives me zero pleasure to visit, work or interact with anyone from there. They are self centered, egotistical show offs. I don't need that. The only reason I ever go there is for work. It's a sad affair when you think what the US once was and what it has become. I go there because I have to not because I want to.

[pianokeys]

So you want to spend $50,000 in legal fees just to enter the worst country on earth?

Obviously you have not travelled much if you think the USA is the worst country on earth.

Or you are just saying that for effect.

Effect. But the truth is, for a developed country it seems rather daft and too aggressive for my tastes. Western coastal states and Hawaii are cool with me though.

I am amazed at the amount of dislike for America there is in the pilot group, however regardless of your personal feelings they can and will deny you entry if they want to.

Hit the nail on the head with that one. They can do what they want, theyre their own country.

It isn't law abiding in the United States....just saying.
We need to respect this.

Why? The US doesn't determine what is legal in Canada. You are not breaking any law in the United States by owning Canadian stock in a Canadian bank account. Just like Americans aren't breaking any Canadian laws by owning automatic weapons in the US.

You could argue they can decide who can and can not enter the US, but if they start pulling stunts like that, Canada could (and should, really) do the same. Or any country could start acting like that. It would be a disaster.

I dont think it has anything to do with determining whats legal up here, but whats legal down there. They can do what they want. There are plenty of things that are legal in Canada that are illegal in say, Saudi Arabia but that doesnt mean we should get in a tit-for-tat border war. What youre suggesting is exactly what youre against, trying to enforce national laws and regulations on another country.

I think were all a little miffed because for a long time the US was rather loosey goosey with entry rules and now theyre tightening up. After all, think about the developed countries that require entry visas. The US is its own country and they can do what they want. Just change the name to Turkey or Vietnam and its really the same thing. They have their own laws and regulations which we must respect and just deal with. You want to enter? You gotta play by our rules. Stupid? Yes. Stupid? No.

[North Shore]

Well, at least it's only pot...90 years ago, it was alcohol, too.
The Christian Temperance Union has cast a long shadow over US social policy...

I'd be very surprised if many of us don't have investments in the industry through mutual funds. Any fund manager worth their salt would have seen legalization coming down the pipe [ ] and thrown in a few $$ to up their returns for that quarter. Do you know the name/business of every company that is in a fund that you might own? I certainly don't.

Edited to add: In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if every Canadian, through their CPP contributions, is invested...

[digits_]

I dont think it has anything to do with determining whats legal up here, but whats legal down there. They can do what they want. There are plenty of things that are legal in Canada that are illegal in say, Saudi Arabia but that doesnt mean we should get in a tit-for-tat border war. What youre suggesting is exactly what youre against, trying to enforce national laws and regulations on another country.

You missed the point completely. If country B is refusing entrance to citizens who do something that is legal in country A while living in country A, you could probably find something on every citizen of every country to prohibit them access to any other country in the world. Speed limits, DUI limits, same sex marriages, abortion, gun use and control, free speech, ... All subjects that vary wildly over the globe.

And again: yes, they can decide to refuse entry to anyone they want, but if they do, there should be consequences. Nobody is advocating imposing Canadian rules in the US. If you buy pot stocks while in the US and it is illegal there, then you could get in trouble and it is all on you. But if you don't, the US should not punish you for something you legally did in Canada. The only way other countries can prevent such behaviour, is to implement it themselves. Childish? Yes, but if that's the level of international diplomacy we've reached, then so be it.

Question: why are you ok with the US refusing entry to pot stock holders, but not with Canadian refusing entry to automatic gun owners?

Another one: the whole aviation world seems to be ok with crew visas and fignerprinting for air crew, yet american pilots can travel to a whole lot of countries without having to go through the same hassle. A tit-for-tat attitude in this would be appropriate. What kind of signal are you giving to the citizens of your country if you tell another country yours can't be trusted but theirs can be? Pretty disgusting.

I think were all a little miffed because for a long time the US was rather loosey goosey with entry rules and now theyre tightening up. After all, think about the developed countries that require entry visas. The US is its own country and they can do what they want. Just change the name to Turkey or Vietnam and its really the same thing. They have their own laws and regulations which we must respect and just deal with. You want to enter? You gotta play by our rules. Stupid? Yes. Stupid? No.

Yes you respect their laws and customs -while you are there-. so you are not going to be publically drunk in one of ther mosques or churches. That doesn't mean they will refuse you access because you were drunk in Canada once while going to church.

[pianokeys]

You missed the point completely. If country B is refusing entrance to citizens who do something that is legal in country A while living in country A, you could probably find something on every citizen of every country to prohibit them access to any other country in the world. Speed limits, DUI limits, same sex marriages, abortion, gun use and control, free speech, ... All subjects that vary wildly over the globe.

I really dont think youre grasping this concept at all. Its their country and they can do whatever they want. Just think of how many other countries there are on earth that deny access to people who do legal things in their country. Ever try and go to Mecca as a Christian?

And again: yes, they can decide to refuse entry to anyone they want, but if they do, there should be consequences.

Sounds like a escalating tit-for-tat border war to me.

Nobody is advocating imposing Canadian rules in the US...

they can decide to refuse entry to anyone they want, but if they do, there should be consequences...

You could argue they can decide who can and can not enter the US, but if they start pulling stunts like that, Canada could (and should, really) do the same...

the US should not punish you for something you legally did in Canada...

This is the most contradictory string of thoughts I have ever read. And these are all things youve said.

That doesn't mean they will refuse you access because you were drunk in Canada once while going to church.

Actually it does. If you have a criminal record in Canada, you can be denied entry in to the US. Or denied entry in to any country that doesnt want criminals visiting.

then so be it.

Exactly. Just deal with it. Move on.