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US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:39 am
by Malfunction
US starting to ban people who are connected to the canadian pot industry from entering at the boarder.

https://www.narcity.com/news/the-united ... a-industry

What will this mean for pilots who have put money into the pot industry?

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:02 am
by FICU
Sounds like you'd have to be a heavy investor. How would the US know I have 1000 shares in a pot company when I go to cross the border?

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:42 am
by Victory
I imagine the US DOJ compiles a list from the SEC (or similar organizations ) and gives it to the immigration department. So far it just seems like they are going after Canadians that invested in the American pot companies though. The precedent hasn't been set for someone being denied entry for investing in a Canadian company. Yet.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:40 am
by Lightchop
Well kinda ironic since you can buy a few Canadian cannabis stocks on US exchanges. Like Canopy growth for example.

As far as the border cops are concerned I have never owned and currently have no cannabis stocks. It's their job to prove otherwise. If I get denied entry due to owning stocks of a Canadian company on a Canadian exchange, we'll he how far the fight goes. I'm sure there are more than a few lawyers who would be more than interested in taking up the case.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:03 pm
by Hangry
FICU wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:02 am
Sounds like you'd have to be a heavy investor. How would the US know I have 1000 shares in a pot company when I go to cross the border?
Because people tell them for some reason.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:22 pm
by C.W.E.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:54 pm
by AirFrame
FICU wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:02 am
Sounds like you'd have to be a heavy investor. How would the US know I have 1000 shares in a pot company when I go to cross the border?
Border Services Agent: "Have you ever invested in a pot company?"
You: [fill in the answer which will get you past without perjuring yourself]

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:16 pm
by goingnowherefast
Don't answer the question. Say "If I refuse to answer that question, will I be denied entry?"

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:31 pm
by Hangry
goingnowherefast wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:16 pm
Don't answer the question. Say "If I refuse to answer that question, will I be denied entry?"
I’m not sure why anyone is having trouble with this. Just say no.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:45 pm
by Blueontop
Lightchop wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:40 am
Well kinda ironic since you can buy a few Canadian cannabis stocks on US exchanges. Like Canopy growth for example.

As far as the border cops are concerned I have never owned and currently have no cannabis stocks. It's their job to prove otherwise. If I get denied entry due to owning stocks of a Canadian company on a Canadian exchange, we'll he how far the fight goes. I'm sure there are more than a few lawyers who would be more than interested in taking up the case.
Good luck with that fight..

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:30 pm
by Diadem
Lightchop wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:40 am
As far as the border cops are concerned I have never owned and currently have no cannabis stocks. It's their job to prove otherwise. If I get denied entry due to owning stocks of a Canadian company on a Canadian exchange, we'll he how far the fight goes. I'm sure there are more than a few lawyers who would be more than interested in taking up the case.
If you aren't an American citizen, you have no right to entry to the US, and CBP can turn you away for any reason. The officer can deny you entry because he thinks you smell bad.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:25 pm
by FICU
AirFrame wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:54 pm
Border Services Agent: "Have you ever invested in a pot company?"
You: [fill in the answer which will get you past without perjuring yourself]
If that becomes a new standard question by the US I guess many of us could be affected but I doubt it will.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:44 am
by AirFrame
goingnowherefast wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:16 pm
Don't answer the question. Say "If I refuse to answer that question, will I be denied entry?"
As a Canadian, the answer to that could easily be "yes." Nothing you can do but turn around and go back to Canada.
Hangry wrote:I’m not sure why anyone is having trouble with this. Just say no.
If there is some mechanism in place by which they already know the answer to this question before it's asked, or if your 'tells' lead them to believe you're lying to them, you could be subject to much worse treatment. Lying about investing in pot? Got any on you? No? Well, officer large fingers over there will take you into our exam room and just make sure...

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:46 pm
by Victory
U.S.Customs and Border Protection now saying anyone that invests in the industry in Canada will be barred from entering the United States. This could have big implications for any pilot that bought pot stocks. I understand they could have the ability to find out if you have via means other than just asking you.

https://www.thestar.com/news/cannabis/2 ... icial.html

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:52 pm
by ant_321
I wonder who the first Canadian pilot to end up detained at an airport will be. I personally have 6 pilot friends who are relatively invested in pot.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:54 pm
by Lightchop
ant_321 wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:52 pm
I wonder who the first Canadian pilot to end up detained at an airport will be. I personally have 6 pilot friends who are relatively invested in pot.
I can think of at least as many, including myself. I wonder what ALPAs stance on it will be. Canadian money earned in Canada, invested in a legal company on a Canadian exchange. We'll see I guess.

Honestly I think it's all going to go away. The USA likes talking a big game and not actually following through.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:55 pm
by Lightchop
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Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:59 pm
by rookiepilot
Unions?

You guys seem to forget this is a foreign country. Not another province.

As Canadians you have zero rights to anything there, no different than any other foreign country.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:17 pm
by Victory
They don't feel it's a legal business even if Canada decided that it is. There are probably examples of people being turned away from Canada for doing something that is considered legal in their home country.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:36 pm
by Lightchop
rookiepilot wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:59 pm
Unions?

You guys seem to forget this is a foreign country. Not another province.

As Canadians you have zero rights to anything there, no different than any other foreign country.
Yes you're right. But unions have pull with government. And government has pull (well maybe not anymore) with the USA.

Also ALPA is the largest pilot union in the USA. Hell, their HQ is in Washington DC.

When otherwise law abiding citizens (and pilots) start getting turned away at the border this will become bigger news. I sent an email to my local federal government representative expressing my concern. I will post if I get a reply.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:44 pm
by rookiepilot
It isn't law abiding in the United States....just saying.
We need to respect this.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:40 pm
by Lightchop
It shouldn't matter. Canadian company, Canadian money, Canadian exchange.

Americans can carry sidearms in many states. You don't see Canada turning them away at the border for doing something that's legal in their country.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:01 pm
by C-GGGQ
How would this even be enforced with pilot's is the real question? Not allowed off the plane? No layovers, or Canadian carriers can't fly into US. None of the above is feasible in my opinion. I agree lightchop. All bark no bite

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:08 pm
by C.W.E.
This subject is really quite simple.

U.S. customs and boarder agents can refuse you entrance for any reason they deem necessary, anything having to do with cannabis has been one of their reasons to refuse entry for many decades.

If you lie to them and get caught you will be guaranteed to be banned for life.

If you are flying for an airline and own stock in cannabis and they ban you, you may have to find another line of work.

Re: US turning people away at the boarder for investments in pot.

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:28 pm
by Old fella
Several Americans were caught with concealed weapons( mostly handguns) trying to sneak them through NB Border checkpoints into Canada, saying they need them for protection. Give Canadians a rough time on weed threatening lifetime ban, do same for the Yanks with their weapons entering here.