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737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by The Raven » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:50 am

How many 737 Max 8 simulators do Air Canada and Westjet have?
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Post by RVR6000 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:55 am

2 at AC, we also utilize a 3rd sim at Boeing Training Centre in Gatwick.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by indieadventurer » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:47 am

WJ doesn't have any MAX simulators. They have 3 -700NG sims.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by Daniel Cooper » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:25 am

If MAX specific training becomes a requirement those might become very valuable.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by The Raven » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:39 pm

Daniel Cooper wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:25 am
If MAX specific training becomes a requirement those might become very valuable.
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by The Raven » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:30 pm

Anyone know what other airlines or companies have 737 Max 8 simulators? How many are there?
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by tbaylx » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:13 am

Daniel Cooper wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:25 am
If MAX specific training becomes a requirement those might become very valuable.
It will be online computer based training and a test at the end. No sim time required
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Post by sarg » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:25 pm

The Raven wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:30 pm
Anyone know what other airlines or companies have 737 Max 8 simulators? How many are there?
I believe Southwest will have one shortly with 2 more coming.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by confusedalot » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:11 pm

A level D, (the highest level of sim certification), is a fantastic training tool, but many forget that it is nothing more than a real nice video game, and it is not an airplane.

The sad accidents were caused by Boeing's omission of the mcas system information.

So, the pilots did not know about it, neither did the instructors. Otherwise, the problem would not have occurred.

Training in a max sim would have changed nothing.

Did quite a bit of sim evaluation. Really nice toy, but it is still a toy.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by Gino Under » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:42 pm

You don’t know what your talking about.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by confusedalot » Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:52 pm

OK,

Explain.

Have you done any sim work?
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by Gino Under » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:59 am

You claim in one breath to have done “quite a bit of sim evaluation “, yet in another you refer to a zero time Level D sim as a “toy”, having called them “nothing more than a real nice video game”. Seriously?

…let’s pause for a moment of silence to remember those killed in an aircraft while training in the real thing as opposed to a “toy”.

This would imply or suggest your declaration of knowledge and understanding of the level D sim and their fidelity as a training device doesn’t have much credibility because it also implies that you didn’t gain much from whatever amount of sim evaluation you claim to have had.
…but that’s only my opinion.

A simulator isn’t an aircraft. I agree. But, a Full Flight simulator doesn’t have to be a 100% match either.
Unless you’d like to refute that with a number of certification authorities worldwide who would likely disagree with you.

FWIW
TRU - a subsidiary of Textron - was selected in 2014 by Boeing to supply a 737 Max full-flight training suite. The Gatwick, Miami, Shanghai and Singapore-based facilities of Boeing Flight Services all began to operate FFS devices for the 737 Max in 2017 - all provided by TRU. The Miami centre became the first in the world to offer training especially for the Max variant. More than a dozen airlines have signed up for 737 Max training in Miami, including Aer Lingus, Air Canada, American Airlines and Southwest Airlines.


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Post by confusedalot » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:17 pm

I know all or that, what is your point?

Have....you...ever....been....in the trenches with the grunts actually doing the job?

The perspective of the general in the pentagon is a whole lot different than the guy getting the shots. Some company gets a contract, big deal.

The max sim training would have changed nothing in the unfortunate outcomes.

Do you, or do you not, have sim evaluation time?






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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by MUSKEG » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:43 am

Oh great. Another “ my dick is bigger than your dick “ post.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by confusedalot » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:58 pm

MUSKEG wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:43 am
Oh great. Another “ my dick is bigger than your dick “ post.
Sorry to disappoint, but no. Don't really care how big my dick is cuz it has done the job.

It's a "different" skill set with it's own set of circumstances. Everything to do with boring and tedious engineer stuff, nothing to do with pushing throttles.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by Gino Under » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:49 am

confusedalot

MUSKEG took the words right out of my mouth. Simply stated, I could claim to have three lunar landings in my resume with fast jet time at Edwards. The right stuff and all that. What would it prove and who really cares? Truth is, I have enough airline stick time, the hours that go with it plus numerous type ratings, not to mention a variety of sim assignments to recognize a smart ass comment when I see one. I see the humour in your 'toy', 'video game' references. We've all heard them before, but seriously, it surprises me that someone claiming to have sim evaluation time would offer such a disrespectful and inaccurate remark, so I expressed my personal opinion. Problem? Don't tell me you're surprised that someone disagreed with the way you put it? Sorry, but Level D simulators are anything BUT the joke you're trying to imply they are.
This industry relies on valid and reliable simulation in many areas of our industry. And for the most part, it's pretty damned good.

I have no doubt Boeing has gained a lot through simulation as it modifies MCAS following these tragic accidents.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by Duke Point » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:10 am

confusedalot wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:11 pm
A level D, (the highest level of sim certification), is a fantastic training tool, but many forget that it is nothing more than a real nice video game, and it is not an airplane.

The sad accidents were caused by Boeing's omission of the mcas system information.

So, the pilots did not know about it, neither did the instructors. Otherwise, the problem would not have occurred.

Training in a max sim would have changed nothing.

Did quite a bit of sim evaluation. Really nice toy, but it is still a toy.
That's the most idiotic post I've read in a long time. You have zero credibility. Why are you posting in the "Airline section" because you have no clue what you're talking about...….."Level D video game"...... :roll:

Do all of us in the industry a favor who have spent "weeks" in Level D simulators and "be gone". You're obviously a child.

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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by Arnie Pye » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:14 pm

There have been a few sensational news articles admonishing regulators for only requiring iPad training to be qualified on the Max. Due to the nature of the accidents and the inability to accurately reproduce an MCAS trim runaway in the sim, I wouldn't be shocked to see specific MAX sim training required in order to start operating them again. The public may demand it even if the regulators don't. If the shutdown drags on for too long, many people will need recurrent training anyway. It will put a big strain on any and all Max sims.

The 787's were grounded for about four months and that was only a couple of battery fires. There will be a lot of pressure to make sure that this type of accident never happens again so I won't be surprised if the maxes remain on the ground for more than four months.
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Post by J31 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:47 pm

Don't worry boys.....she is bolted to the floor! :smt040
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by twinpratts » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:36 pm

Gino Under wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:42 pm
You don’t know what your talking about.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by L39Guy » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:22 pm

Confusedalot,

How would an MCAS failure look differently in a simulator compared to a stab trim runaway? What are the differences in the emergency drill?

Answer: there is no difference.
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by Oscar » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:29 pm

Does anyone have a link to the video of the Asian F/O stomping his foot on the "runaway" 737 trim wheel? It's like 20 seconds long, supposed to be sarcasm for the new MCAS recovery method. Someone showed it to me but I can't find it online. Funny stuff!
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Post by Dash.Trash » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:08 pm

Oscar wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:29 pm
Does anyone have a link to the video of the Asian F/O stomping his foot on the "runaway" 737 trim wheel? It's like 20 seconds long, supposed to be sarcasm for the new MCAS recovery method. Someone showed it to me but I can't find it online. Funny stuff!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvXFnTxlW15 ... ko46w4sb0p
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Re: 737 Max 8 Simulators

Post by confusedalot » Tue May 07, 2019 6:01 pm

L39Guy wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:22 pm
Confusedalot,

How would an MCAS failure look differently in a simulator compared to a stab trim runaway? What are the differences in the emergency drill?

Answer: there is no difference.
Just stumbled on this......

You are 100% right, hit the switches and everything gets disabled. One caveat, never flew the max, just did simulator stuff, but from what I know, you disable everything

It's old news now, the real problem is that Boeing did not tell anybody about the mcas.
Hell, even I did not know about it. You would figure that a sim evaluator would be provided with the information.

How is a sim evaluator supposed to do his job without information,?

How is a line pilot supposed to save the day with no knowledge?

Sad situation indeed
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