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Pilot shortage State side

Post by Freeport_Flyer » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:54 am

Once someone figures out the whole immigration thing, I think US companies will wipe out most of the Canadian industry. Here's a link to Mesa Airlines (United / American tier 2 operator). Highlights, up to $50k in joining bonuses, Upgrade in 14-22 months, $36USD/hr to start, defined career path, jet aircraft...

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http://www.mesa-air.com/Documents/Pilot ... 110218.pdf
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Post by 47north » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:15 am

If you want to work in the US, Mesa should definitely not be your first choice.
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Post by KAG » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:20 am

I've been hearing out the us border opening up yo Canadian pilots since 1995. Still waiting.
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Post by C-GGGQ » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:40 am

Why not Mesa? Just curious. They have flow to United. Same with Envoy lower starting pay than some others but guaranteed flow to American (roughly 5 years they say right now)
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Post by 47north » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:48 am

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Why not Mesa? Just curious. They have flow to United. Same with Envoy lower starting pay than some others but guaranteed flow to American (roughly 5 years they say right now)
They have a history of treating their pilots, and employees poorly. Many pilots have left there in a lateral move to Endeavour, SkyWest, etc.just to get out.
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Post by C-GGGQ » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:52 am

Ah well, I suppose you can make anything look all sunshine and rainbows on a website/ social media page
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Post by confusedalot » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:59 am

Just looked at the US immigration website. As far as I can surmise, unless you are a North American Indian, you don't qualify for a green card. That leaves sponsorship from a US spouse or family member, or sponsorship from an employer. Then wait 3-5 years as a legal resident before becoming a US citizen. Didn't see anything in the Mesa brochure about sponsorship.

Would be a nice option (sort of), but it seems a bit difficult for a Canadian to immigrate.

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Post by C-GGGQ » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:02 am

You can work as soon as you get that green card. Who cares about citizenship. My brother has been down there 9 years+ now. Been on the green card the whole time no issues
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Post by confusedalot » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:16 am

Canadians are not eligible for the green card lottery. Just checked. Just about everyone else is.

So that means your brother was sponsored by somebody, employer, spouse or family member?
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Post by C-GGGQ » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:23 am

Father moved down with wife and two brothers. I however was no longer a minor and therefore not eligible.
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Post by Freeport_Flyer » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:25 am

If they run out of pilots it'll be interesting to see if they try to use the special talent style visa to get people in. I don't think this will happen any time soon.

If you compare what the US regionals have on offer compared to the Canadian operators it seems they are taking a pilot shortage a little more seriously. Those are some pretty substantial incentives. There are even airline sponsored programs out there taking military helicopter drivers and converting them over to fixed-wing multi guys to fill seats.

Time will tell how bad the shortage actually is. Are there any Canadian operators dropping flights due to crewing? I know Emirates has airplanes parked due to lack of bodies.
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Post by bearitus » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:50 am

In my previous career (software engineering) there were always recruiters messaging me for opportunities in the States. It seems they have no problem sponsoring engineers for visas as there is a shortage. Hopefully pilots get added to that list in the near future.
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Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:07 pm

Don’t let those bonuses fool you. Jazz is the best regional airline in North America. I know this to be true because all the Jazz guys on avCanada tell me so.
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Post by Roadrunnersmother » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:40 pm

FedEx will soon start furloughing flight crews.
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Post by Boreas » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:26 pm

Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:40 pm
FedEx will soon start furloughing flight crews.
Source?
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Post by Roadrunnersmother » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:55 pm

Boreas wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:26 pm
Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:40 pm
FedEx will soon start furloughing flight crews.
Source?
Company's last 2 quarterly statements said slowing global demand for shipments. Less shipping very likely means fewer aircraft needed.
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Re: Pilot shortage State side

Post by Boreas » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:49 pm

Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:55 pm
Boreas wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:26 pm
Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:40 pm
FedEx will soon start furloughing flight crews.
Source?
Company's last 2 quarterly statements said slowing global demand for shipments. Less shipping very likely means fewer aircraft needed.
Ahh so you're inferring. Fair enough.
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Post by DanWEC » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:59 pm

Global shipping slowing? Not on this planet.

Reasons for FedEx's revenue issues are because of Amazon Air.
From what I've read, conditions and salaries are substandard at Amazon/Atlas, which supports their undercutting. I have no sources other than articles however.
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Post by George Taylor » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:02 am

A little info on the conditions at Amazon/ Atlas

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon- ... ues-2019-2
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Post by DanWEC » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:25 pm

George Taylor wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:02 am
A little info on the conditions at Amazon/ Atlas

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon- ... ues-2019-2

I saw some of those.

Also what's incredible is that their "substandard wages" are better than ours in general.
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Post by KAG » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:30 am

Wasnt frontier sponsoring canadian pilots last year? Thought I remember somthing about that
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Post by rudder » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:19 am

There are still 2 airline industries in the US - mainline and regional.

And while there are a few trinkets being dangled to fill seats at the US regionals, it is still a below market segment of the commercial pilot universe.
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Post by Mach1 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:41 am

You will never be allowed to work in the US. Not because the US doesn't want you to work there. I don't think they really care very much, you are not even on their radar. There is a reason that Pilots are always left off things like NAFTA talks... it's that the Canadian government is being very heavily lobbied by the Canadian companies to keep you in country. Everyone knows this place would empty out of pilots if everyone could earn US pay. I mean, what are the Canadian companies going to do if that happened? Pay US wages to keep talent? Far easier to just make it difficult for you to leave.
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Post by confusedalot » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:44 am

Could be, wouldn't be surprised.

It has happened in the past though. I seem to recall rcaf types ending up at united (or some other major) in the 60's, I think that was even after a recruiting roadshow but not sure. My US based friend actually confirmed that.

Another time was either in the late 70's or early 80's where a commuter airline called pilgrim airlines was sponsoring Canadians, but you were limited to working for them.

There was a time where nurses and doctors emigrated with no constraints.

It would be nice, but I doubt that it would ever happen.
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Re: Pilot shortage State side

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:01 pm

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You will never be allowed to work in the US. Not because the US doesn't want you to work there. I don't think they really care very much, you are not even on their radar. There is a reason that Pilots are always left off things like NAFTA talks... it's that the Canadian government is being very heavily lobbied by the Canadian companies to keep you in country. Everyone knows this place would empty out of pilots if everyone could earn US pay. I mean, what are the Canadian companies going to do if that happened? Pay US wages to keep talent? Far easier to just make it difficult for you to leave.
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