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What is Enerjet up to?

Post by Duukar » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:53 am

Job posting for Captains and FOs on their 737.

Weird, I thought they just did patch work.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by mjankovic » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:14 am

A guy who was "something in West Jet" decided to start another UUULC carrier.
Info from first hand is that there is 30 MAX 8 on order with another 20 as option.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by tbaylx » Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:08 am

Duukar wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:53 am
Job posting for Captains and FOs on their 737.

Weird, I thought they just did patch work.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/enerjet-rel ... -1.1186553
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by Daniel Cooper » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:25 am

Are you going to apply tbayxl?
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by Boreas » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:33 pm

tbaylx wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:08 am
Duukar wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:53 am
Job posting for Captains and FOs on their 737.

Weird, I thought they just did patch work.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/enerjet-rel ... -1.1186553
Something about the related WOW Air article (New Vancouver - Iceland Route :rolleyes: ) on that same page that screams of foreshadowing.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by Gino Under » Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:51 pm

Relaunching Enerjet? The thought alone is too funny for words.
A rich guy looking to waste a few million on a ridiculous endeavour. Why not?
ULCCs in Canada are simply ‘mission impossible’.
Which brings me to Canada Jetlines. Nah, never mind.
But, good luck. A re-launch of any carrier says it all.

Gino :drinkers:
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by Foofighter » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:09 pm

Just a heads up 737 no where in enerjets adverting for crew does it state 737 ? Makes me think maybe a new plan maybe ?
As for compring enerjet with cta approval and an oc to someone trying to raise the money ......yeah not even close . Flair on the other hand nice job scaring westjet share holders .
If any one here has been contacted by enerjet it would be good to hear from you !
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by palebird » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:48 pm

All these fools chasing something that does not exist. What a farce. Reminds me of that old adage "a fool and his money are easily parted". Wait for it.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by telex » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:37 pm

palebird wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:48 pm
All these fools chasing something that does not exist. What a farce. Reminds me of that old adage "a fool and his money are easily parted". Wait for it.
"Indigo Partners, LLC[1] is a private equity firm which has a controlling interest in the American Frontier Airlines and Chilean low-cost start-up JetSmart, as well as holding stakes in Mexican budget airline Volaris and European low-cost carrier Wizz Air, while a partnership with Enerjet is planned to launch a new Canadian ultra-low-cost carrier.[2] Indigo Partners was co-founded by Bill Franke and has set up a number of ultra-low-cost airlines around the world. It is headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona."

"On Wednesday **NOV 18 2017**, Airbus announced its largest single aircraft order in the company’s history. U.S. investment firm Indigo Partners bought 430 aircraft of the Airbus A320 family for a sticker price of 49.5 billion dollars. The deal was announced at the Dubai Air Show by a jubilant John Leahy, Airbus‘ Chief Operating Officer – Customers. The massive deal includes orders for both the A320neo and A321neo aircraft, Airbus’ newest revamp of the A320 family."

Wait for it...
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by lostaviator » Wed May 01, 2019 7:37 am

Nothing will materialize. There simply isn't a market for this model in Canada. Swoop is loosing money, and Flair is sinking (faster and faster).
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by JBI » Wed May 01, 2019 9:24 am

I don't understand how these companies with NO understanding of the aviation industry think they can make money operating a ULCC?!

I mean Indigo Partners, which has controlling interest in Frontier (USA), JetSmart (Chile) and holds stakes in Volaris (Mexico) and Wizz Air (Hungary) and whose chairman, Bill Franke was instrumental in Spirit Airlines' transformation into a ULCC, obviously doesn't have a clue what it takes to operate a successful ULCC.

They only operate a combined 280 Airbus A320 family aircraft with orders for 430 more. haha small time operators!

[sarcasm]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they don't face some challenges, but the expert comments on this thread are somewhat amusing given the experience of Indigo Partners.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by palebird » Wed May 01, 2019 12:45 pm

Like I said..wait for it.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by tbaylx » Wed May 01, 2019 5:59 pm

lostaviator wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 7:37 am
Nothing will materialize. There simply isn't a market for this model in Canada. Swoop is loosing money, and Flair is sinking (faster and faster).
Swoop may or may not be making money but Flair sure ain't sinking. A large share bought up by 777 recently and 2 more 800's on the way by mid summer, more hiring soon etc. I've seen sinking ships, Flair is not one.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by tbaylx » Wed May 01, 2019 6:01 pm

Daniel Cooper wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:25 am
Are you going to apply tbayxl?
I'm pretty happy at Flair at the moment. Good group here.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by telex » Wed May 01, 2019 9:12 pm

tbaylx wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 6:01 pm
Daniel Cooper wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:25 am
Are you going to apply tbayxl?
I'm pretty happy at Flair at the moment. Good group here.
So as a content flair air employee "at the moment" you're pretty sure a potential direct competitor to your livelihood which is backed by billions of dollars is a non issue?

What sinking ships have you seen to know that flair air is not one?
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by Donald » Wed May 01, 2019 9:26 pm

telex wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 9:12 pm
tbaylx wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 6:01 pm
Daniel Cooper wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:25 am
Are you going to apply tbayxl?
I'm pretty happy at Flair at the moment. Good group here.
So as a content flair air employee "at the moment" you're pretty sure a potential direct competitor to your livelihood which is backed by billions of dollars is a non issue?

What sinking ships have you seen to know that flair air is not one?

Well, he is ex-JetsGo.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by tailgunner » Wed May 01, 2019 11:21 pm

Paid for his Jet Job,
Undercut his fellow aviators at WJ,
Wow, what a stand-up guy.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by tbaylx » Thu May 02, 2019 11:27 am

telex wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 9:12 pm
tbaylx wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 6:01 pm
Daniel Cooper wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:25 am
Are you going to apply tbayxl?
I'm pretty happy at Flair at the moment. Good group here.
So as a content flair air employee "at the moment" you're pretty sure a potential direct competitor to your livelihood which is backed by billions of dollars is a non issue?

What sinking ships have you seen to know that flair air is not one?
Never said it was a non issue, but there already is a competitor backed by billions of dollars paint pink in direct competition with Flair. Flair has managed so far.
Unlike tailgunner i don't get too hung up over stuff i can't control :smt008
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by whipline » Thu May 02, 2019 4:31 pm

You didn’t control sending a cheque for 30,000 to jetsgo? You didn’t control accepting a job trying to bypass everyone at WJ/encore? Okie Dokie
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by vrefplus5 » Fri May 03, 2019 4:10 am

Folks, already two decent threads have been deleted by the mods because of drift. Let's please stay on point and talk aboit the topic. PM each other if you need to get things off your chest. Keep it classy.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by lostaviator » Fri May 03, 2019 7:55 am

tbaylx wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 5:59 pm
lostaviator wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 7:37 am
Nothing will materialize. There simply isn't a market for this model in Canada. Swoop is loosing money, and Flair is sinking (faster and faster).
Swoop may or may not be making money but Flair sure ain't sinking. A large share bought up by 777 recently and 2 more 800's on the way by mid summer, more hiring soon etc. I've seen sinking ships, Flair is not one.
Mid-summer is fast approaching; is there a contract signed for these two -800's? They aren't easy birds to find and rumour has it, you guys just lost a low-cost lease?

It's of course hard for anyone to have an idea about Flair's situation as they aren't public, but you have to admit - your new paint job screams no money. haha
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by palebird » Fri May 03, 2019 12:26 pm

With the Max grounded there are no spare NG's floating around. Period.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by tbaylx » Fri May 03, 2019 12:44 pm

palebird wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 12:26 pm
With the Max grounded there are no spare NG's floating around. Period.
Jet airways just put 75+ of them on the market.

Our first long term lease with the new paint came from Primera, there were others available but not in the shape that Flair wanted. The next several are from Jet.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by tbaylx » Fri May 03, 2019 12:47 pm

lostaviator wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 7:55 am
tbaylx wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 5:59 pm
lostaviator wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 7:37 am
Nothing will materialize. There simply isn't a market for this model in Canada. Swoop is loosing money, and Flair is sinking (faster and faster).
Swoop may or may not be making money but Flair sure ain't sinking. A large share bought up by 777 recently and 2 more 800's on the way by mid summer, more hiring soon etc. I've seen sinking ships, Flair is not one.
Mid-summer is fast approaching; is there a contract signed for these two -800's? They aren't easy birds to find and rumour has it, you guys just lost a low-cost lease?

It's of course hard for anyone to have an idea about Flair's situation as they aren't public, but you have to admit - your new paint job screams no money. haha
It wasn't that low cost and was due to go back in May. The leasor opted to take it back a couple of months early under an early return clause when the max was grounded. NG's aren't that hard to find with, leasors are stuck with a bunch after Jet Airways stopped operations. There will be more available mid summer once the max starts flying.

The paint is certainly interesting and says lots of things, but i'm not sure the state of the company finances is one of them.
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Re: What is Enerjet up to?

Post by Duke Point » Fri May 03, 2019 6:15 pm

opsman wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 1:17 pm
vrefplus5 wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 4:10 am
Folks, already two decent threads have been deleted by the mods because of drift. Let's please stay on point and talk aboit the topic. PM each other if you need to get things off your chest. Keep it classy.
I agree. There seems to be a lot of character assassination going on in this forum. We are responsible for transporting hundreds of thousands of people on a daily basis, but yet it seems impossible to maintain a level of professionalism here. Each and everyone of us has made a decision that we or others have not been pleased with, yet here we are. Life goes on.

That's actually pretty funny.

Once you accept that all pilots are self serving "ladies of the night" it becomes easier to stay off the forums. The only difference is that some have a degree of "seniority safety" while others do not. Hence "vocal, and "less vocal". But we're all cut from the same cloth. I'm still in a bit of denial, which is why I'm here..... and likely why you're here.

We would -all- undercut one another if we needed to....but most don't need to. We are not professionals, only skilled workers....so the behavior and "character assassination attempts" on pilot forums are entirely in character.

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