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Unreal to have gone to having to place a free ad for applicants for what is, or was, one of the most sought after jobs in this country.

What a business, can we all finally leverage the times we're in.
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Puzzles me why they can’t just open the flood gates and flow as much Encore guys as possible to fill their void :rolleyes:
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I feel like the requirement for OTS has dropped. Maybe, just maybe, it's because there are hundreds of teenagers at Encore ahead of qualified applicants.
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At least they’re asking for an ATPL ...
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paytoplay wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:49 pm
Puzzles me why they can’t just open the flood gates and flow as much Encore guys as possible to fill their void :rolleyes:
I know that you're being sarcastic, but some people on here are going to take it the wrong way.

Encore doesn't have enough qualified FOs to upgrade to captain to fill in the spots that would open. They can't send Encore FOs to mainline because the people who have the most seniority (and who are bidding) are captains.
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And the sad reason why many of these Encore FO’s can’t upgrade to the left seat at Encore is because they’ve been too lazy to write their A’s! True story.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:21 pm
And the sad reason why many of these Encore FO’s can’t upgrade to the left seat at Encore is because they’ve been too lazy to write their A’s! True story.
Bullshit. That may be the case for a few, but it all comes down to the company being reactive and not proactive. They got themselves into a position that they realized and started to maneuver out of last year. There are a lot of new low-time pilots that need to fly for two years to gain the experience to meet the matrix for the upgrade.
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altiplano wrote:
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Unreal to have gone to having to place a free ad for applicants for what is, or was, one of the most sought after jobs in this country.

What a business, can we all finally leverage the times we're in.
When your FO’s in the first 2 years are making 1200$ semi-monthly paycheques, or 1600$ if they plan on working right till they die. With the current market and 703/704 capts making double that, there’s no choice but to leave no stone unturned.
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can we all finally leverage the times we're in.

Exactly
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in the meantime where can we find WJ CBA ? Whats the starting salary for an FO?
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CanadianPilotQc wrote:
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in the meantime where can we find WJ CBA ? Whats the starting salary for an FO?
Google it... it's online.
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If you're sub 40 years old this is a fantastic opportunity. Do it, do it now.

Unless this is a bait and switch tactic to get you into an Encore or Swoosh spot.
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couldnt find the CBA online. if someone care to share it. thanks
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The Encore and WJ MECs and negotiating committees need to approach their management and suggest all sorts of ways to sort out the problem. 8)
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Search negotech it has all CBA’s in Canada
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Sad reality is that WJ pilot job/career is nothing special compared to other professional flying opportunities that are available to both new and experienced commercial pilots.

WJ management need to take a good look in the mirror. A couple of shiny 787’s don’t make up for the inferior WAWCON that affects most of the WJ pilot group.
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DropTanks wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:47 pm
CanadianPilotQc wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:52 pm
in the meantime where can we find WJ CBA ? Whats the starting salary for an FO?
$62.09/hr +20% esp or whatever it’s gonna be called going forward. I figure my per diems are $15k gross equivalent. They say we still get profit share at ??? rate. Also $7300/yr replacing stock options now. That’s pretty much it.
15k gross per diems, I’ll save the whole per dimes aren’t pay argument but you must be doing a ton of overtime for that. I work a 16 day month full of 3/4/5 day pairings and the odd overtime single day. Typical per diem cheque’s are 600-800$ range at most.
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He did say 15k gross equivalent, so in Canada that’s about 10k net, easily doable
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Step 6 FO last pay check take home 1564.79....winning
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plausiblyannonymous wrote:
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Bullshit. That may be the case for a few, but it all comes down to the company being reactive and not proactive. They got themselves into a position that they realized and started to maneuver out of last year. There are a lot of new low-time pilots that need to fly for two years to gain the experience to meet the matrix for the upgrade.
Correct. There ARE lots of new, low time FO’s that need to get some time and experience under their belts before they have the know how and experience to confidently sit left seat in an Encore Q.

Now, let’s talk about the guys who DO meet the matrix.

Bullshit it is not, that many of the guys who meet the matrix aren’t upgrading because they do not yet have their ATPL’s. It’s a Fact. Told to me in person by J.A. And confirmed a dozen times over at FL250 by the guys sitting beside me who haven’t written, or haven’t filed, or are supposedly still waiting to hear back from TC.
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DropTanks wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:45 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:20 pm
DropTanks wrote:
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$62.09/hr +20% esp or whatever it’s gonna be called going forward. I figure my per diems are $15k gross equivalent. They say we still get profit share at ??? rate. Also $7300/yr replacing stock options now. That’s pretty much it.
15k gross per diems, I’ll save the whole per dimes aren’t pay argument but you must be doing a ton of overtime for that. I work a 16 day month full of 3/4/5 day pairings and the odd overtime single day. Typical per diem cheque’s are 600-800$ range at most.
Yeah your single days are killing your per diems. When I did 4x 4day pairings it was typically $900/month so $10800/yr net. Roughly $15k gross ish is how I look at it.
Not gonna get into any debate about per diems being pay. It’s a waste of time.

TO THE OP:
So basically for yr 1 FO it’s roughly $95k/yr gross. I’m yr 5 now and it’s roughly $145k when including all of the above but it’s important to note we have zero pension so saving for retirement is up to each person. Big downside is we pay all our own STD/LTD and it’s crushing our take home pay. I’d say if you’re the type of person that likes a hands off approach to their finances then stay as far away as possible from anything WJ. You will feel broke! But if you have half a brain and can work a simple budget, survive the first year while your esp money is held, then you can do just fine here. But be warned: very low net pay every pay cheque because of money you can’t touch for a year.
Ok that was my bad, missed the gross equivalent part, I apologize. However, 1st year 95k/gross seems far off the mark to me. I was recently at campus and had a discussion with someone in payroll. I kindly asked out of curiosity what’s a 1st year FO make, they said the salary equivalent they file when completing a new hires benefits forms is 56,800$. So even if you add your 15k/gross per diem to that how are you getting to 95k/gross?
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62.09 x 930 x 1.2 company match + 7.3k option replacement. = 76.5k. (Then add whatever you feel perdiems will be).
If you came from encore, add 14.4k for each of the first 2 yrs.
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62.09 x 930 x 1.2 company match + 7.3k option replacement. = 76.5k. (Then add whatever you feel perdiems will be).
If you came from encore, add 14.4k for each of the first 2 yrs.
Why don’t you add in the parking benefit, or dry cleaning allowance, maybe the sick time and why not add the cost of an iPad while you’re at it.
You don’t see pilots at other mainline airlines adding their pensions/rrsp matching and other benefits to their salaries, why do Westjet pilots do it? Koolaid maybe?
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