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[goldeneagle]

You might end up like Texas when the windmills go offline.

Texas would have been just fine if the gas and coal plants had stayed running. Wind is a small piece of the grid there, baseline power from gas and coal failed.

But you knew that too I’m sure, but the windmills jab makes for a good sound bite that the uninformed can latch on to.

[Dh8Classic]

You might end up like Texas when the windmills go offline.

Texas would have been just fine if the gas and coal plants had stayed running. Wind is a small piece of the grid there, baseline power from gas and coal failed.

But you knew that too I’m sure, but the windmills jab makes for a good sound bite that the uninformed can latch on to.

We will see what the investigation says and what was the trigger. When the ERCOT executive has these replies, you know you have a problem.

"Speaker 1: (19:47)
And part two of that question, Dan, is if you could give some examples of what is causing these units to be forced out.

Dan Woodfin: (19:57)
I mean, I’ll try to talk about different types. We’ve had some reduction in the solar because like today, at least earlier today, there was am ice storm going with clouds that were over the primary region where the solar plants are. Those have passed on and the solar has picked up. But that reduction in output is that for solar."

and

"For wind, we talked about earlier already, that there were a number of wind turbines, in fact about half the fleet, they were forced out due to icing on the blade. So those wind turbines has had to be taken offline to keep from the catastrophic damage to the wind turbine."

Best regards

Your uninformed source

PS vote out the frauds

[Rockie]

The cause is already known and any investigation is irrelevant unless it supports your crackpot right wing theory. You won’t believe it if it doesn’t.

[Dh8Classic]

The cause is already known and any investigation is irrelevant unless it supports your crackpot right wing theory. You won’t believe it if it doesn’t.

There you go ladies and Gents. An investigation is irrelevant. Rockie knows all details and by the way, vote for the green energy parties or you are a racist.

Who needs those 50% of the wind turbines working anyways when you can pray for the clouds to part and give you solar energy while it is -15 out. No more investigations needed for plane crashes either I suppose. Who are the crackpots. Maybe all those oil pipeline workers out of a job who could be building a RELIABLE source of energy.

Meanwhile, the shut all pipelines down crowd like Rockie will save your world.

Remeber that when you vote.

[Rockie]

Why do you persist in showcasing what an imbecile you are? Please stop, you're embarrassing pilots everywhere.

[Inverted2]

Just ignore Rockie. He adds nothing to these boards other than mindless trolling and personal attacks.

[Rockie]

Yes, well you’d have to be willfully blind or fatally stupid to believe (still) that the power outages in Texas were the fault of windmills. You’d have to swallow without question the painfully transparent and immediately discredited bullshit peddled by the right wing.

You decide which one you are. The rest of the world that has a brain will insult you as necessary. F**king idiots.

[Dh8Classic]

Yes, well you’d have to be willfully blind or fatally stupid to believe (still) that the power outages in Texas were the fault of windmills. You’d have to swallow without question the painfully transparent and immediately discredited bullshit peddled by the right wing.

You decide which one you are. The rest of the world that has a brain will insult you as necessary. F**king idiots.

Thank goodness we have a genius like Rockie here to insult us with facts.

"Wind generation fell 32% between 9 p.m. Sunday and 3 a.m. Monday local time, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration figures. Coal dropped 13%. And natural gas generation, the cornerstone of the Texas grid, plummeted 25% over that six-hour period."

So wind dropped the most of anything at 32%. And it was probably from its already lower level expected from it in the winter And guess what? If you bring wind turbines back online, they are still useless if it is not windy(like bringing solar back online needs sunshine) while bringing natural gas, coal, diesel, or nuclear back on line them immediately available in a crisis. They already know that wind is unreliable as stated here.

“Wind and solar were not significant contributors to what happened in Texas. They have planning around these particular events; they know in events like this wind and solar production will be low,” Gilbert said. “That said, looking forward, wind and solar are going to have challenges with winter demand. And that is something we have to come to grips with as we try to decarbonize the electricity system.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ose-power/

Thanks for your genius Rockie. We'll think about you in the dark as we pray for windy, sunny days in the winter with the days short and sun low and we have all sources being affected.

[Rockie]

[quote=Rockie post_id=<a href="tel:1146066">1146066</a> time=<a href="tel:1614810751">1614810751</a> user_id=5632]
Yes, well you’d have to be willfully blind or fatally stupid to believe (still) that the power outages in Texas were the fault of windmills. You’d have to swallow without question the painfully transparent and immediately discredited bullshit peddled by the right wing.

You decide which one you are. The rest of the world that has a brain will insult you as necessary. F**king idiots.

Thank goodness we have a genius like Rockie here to insult us with facts.

"Wind generation fell 32% between 9 p.m. Sunday and 3 a.m. Monday local time, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration figures. Coal dropped 13%. And natural gas generation, the cornerstone of the Texas grid, plummeted 25% over that six-hour period."

So wind dropped the most of anything at 32%. And it was probably from its already lower level expected from it in the winter And guess what? If you bring wind turbines back online, they are still useless if it is not windy(like bringing solar back online needs sunshine) while bringing natural gas, coal, diesel, or nuclear back on line them immediately available in a crisis. They already know that wind is unreliable as stated here.

“Wind and solar were not significant contributors to what happened in Texas. They have planning around these particular events; they know in events like this wind and solar production will be low,” Gilbert said. “That said, looking forward, wind and solar are going to have challenges with winter demand. And that is something we have to come to grips with as we try to decarbonize the electricity system.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ose-power/

Thanks for your genius Rockie. We'll think about you in the dark as we pray for windy, sunny days in the winter with the days short and sun low and we have all sources being affected.
[/quote]

You idiot. Did you not read the part where wind and solar were not significant contributors to what happened in Texas? Do you not realize that the wind still blows and the sun still shines in winter, and they factor things like night time and calm days in their calculations? Did you read where the Texas power grid insists on going it alone and isn’t connected to neighbouring grids for reinforcement during events like this? Or that despite several cold weather events consistently republican governments stupidly didn’t comply with recommendations to harden their grid against cold weather?

Of course you didn’t, it’s gotta be the windmills fault.

[Dh8Classic]

Do you not realize that the wind still blows and the sun still shines in winter, and they factor things like night time and calm days in their calculations?

Wee, the sun still shines in winter folks. Yeah, for much less hours and lower in the sky and only when it is not cloudy. And maybe the wind blows 24 hours a day in Texas too, at a strong enough level to always be effective. And Rockie has some swampland to sell you in Florida.

I guess the calculations and factoring will tell you that if a storm takes a bunch of stuff offline, bringing windmills back online might be useless if there is no wind. Bringing non-renewables back online mean light and heat right away, even at night and even if there will be no wind for the next week. But hey, lets get rid of the non-renewables, as they would never be of much use with windmills and solar around, and that might save those poor Polar Bears.

[Rockie]

Trump taught you to hate windmills didn’t he? You forgot to mention they cause cancer too.

Hey, how did the bleach taste?

[Dh8Classic]

Trump taught you to hate windmills didn’t he? You forgot to mention they cause cancer too.

Hey, how did the bleach taste?

Yes ladies and gentlemen, this is the level of intelligence you will get from the frauds that will leave you in the dark.

Now you know why they should be voted out in the next election..

Meanwhile, from someone who knows what they are talking about:

"Why are millions of Americans in the nation’s most energy-rich state without power and heat for days amid extreme winter weather? “The people who have fallen short with regard to the power are the private power generation companies,” Texas Gov. Greg Abbott explained. Ah, yes, blame private power companies . . . that are regulated by government.

The Republican sounds like California’s Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom, who lambasted private utilities for rolling blackouts during a heat wave last summer. Power grids should be able to withstand extreme weather. But in both these bellwether states, state and federal energy policies have created market distortions and reduced grid reliability.

Mr. Abbott blamed his state’s extensive power outages on generators freezing early Monday morning, noting “this includes the natural gas & coal generators.” But frigid temperatures and icy conditions have descended on most of the country. Why couldn’t Texas handle them while other states did?

The problem is Texas’s overreliance on wind power that has left the grid more vulnerable to bad weather. Half of wind turbines froze last week, causing wind’s share of electricity to plunge to 8% from 42%. Power prices in the wholesale market spiked, and grid regulators on Friday warned of rolling blackouts. Natural gas and coal generators ramped up to cover the supply gap but couldn’t meet the surging demand for electricity—which half of households rely on for heating—even as many families powered up their gas furnaces. Then some gas wells and pipelines froze.

In short, there wasn’t sufficient baseload power from coal and nuclear to support the grid. Baseload power is needed to stabilize grid frequency amid changes in demand and supply. When there’s not enough baseload power, the grid gets unbalanced and power sources can fail. The more the grid relies on intermittent renewables like wind and solar, the more baseload power is needed to back them up.

But politicians don’t care about grid reliability until the power goes out. And for three decades politicians from both parties have pushed subsidies for renewables that have made the grid less stable.

Start with the 1992 Energy Policy Act signed by George H.W. Bush, which created a production tax credit to boost the infant wind industry. Generators collect up to $25 per megawatt hour of power they produce regardless of market demand. The credit was supposed to expire in 1999, but nothing lasts longer than a temporary government program, as Ronald Reagan once quipped.

The renewables lobby found GOP allies in windy states like Texas, Oklahoma and Iowa. Former Enron CEO Ken Lay, who had made a big bet on wind, begged then Texas Gov. George W. Bush in 1998 to lobby Congress to extend the credit for five years. Congress has since extended it more than a dozen times, most recently in December.

Wind producers persuaded former Gov. Rick Perry to back a $5 billion network of transmission lines to connect turbines in western Texas to cities. This enabled them to build more turbines—and collect more tax credits. Because the Texas grid is often oversupplied, wind producers sometimes pay to off-load their power, though they still turn a profit with the tax credits.

Coal and nuclear are more strictly regulated and can’t compete, and many coal plants have shut down in Texas and elsewhere. Over the last decade about 100 gigawatts of coal power nationwide has been retired—enough to power 60 million homes. Many nuclear plants are scheduled to shut down, including large reactors in New York and Illinois this year.

Renewables and natural gas are expected to substitute, but Texas is showing their limitations. In the Lone Star State, bad weather has constrained the supply of gas, but government policies do the same in other states. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and New Jersey’s Phil Murphy have blocked pipelines to deliver shale gas from Pennsylvania to the Northeast.

Their pipeline blockade has driven up the cost of electricity. The average retail price of power is about 50% higher in New Jersey and New York than in Pennsylvania. They and other governors have also poured subsidies into wind and solar, though neither can provide reliable power in frosty weather.

Many states also have renewable mandates that will force more fossil-fuel generators to shut down. New York has required that renewables account for 70% of state power by 2030. Then layer on Democratic policies at the federal level that limit fossil-fuel production and distribution.

The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission is supposed to ensure grid reliability, but under Barack Obama it promoted renewables over reliability. Democrats opposed efforts by Trump appointees to mitigate market distortions caused by state renewable subsidies and mandates that jeopardized the grid. On present trend, this week’s Texas fiasco is coming soon to a cold winter or hot summer near you.

The end result of Rockie thought(or lack thereof).

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-politi ... cle_inline

[Rockie]

The Wall Street Journal editorial board are impartial energy experts now?

Cult interventions are for friends and family who care about you Dh8Classic. That thankfully is not me so I’ll simply repeat the question - how did the bleach taste?

[Dh8Classic]

The Wall Street Journal editorial board are impartial energy experts now?

Cult interventions are for friends and family who care about you Dh8Classic. That thankfully is not me so I’ll simply repeat the question - how did the bleach taste?

And this my friends is how the green frauds are exposed. An article in the WSJ about what really happened and we see the complete inability to formulate anything close to an intelligent response. Only more insults.

Remember that when you vote.

And that ladies and gents, is how you expose a con artist. Keep that in mind for any other subject Rockie comments on.

Next.

[Rockie]

An article in the WSJ about what really happened and we see the complete inability to formulate anything close to an intelligent response.

It’s not an article, it’s an opinion piece from the WSJ editorial board. It says so right at the top. Do I need to post the definitions of “fact” and “opinion” so you can see the difference or can you look that up all by yourself?

One more thing, who are these folk and friends you’re trying to convince that people who care about the environment are evil incarnate?

[Dh8Classic]

An article in the WSJ about what really happened and we see the complete inability to formulate anything close to an intelligent response.

It’s not an article, it’s an opinion piece from the WSJ editorial board. It says so right at the top. Do I need to post the definitions of “fact” and “opinion” so you can see the difference or can you look that up all by yourself?

One more thing, who are these folk and friends you’re trying to convince that people who care about the environment are evil incarnate?

As you can see ladies and gentlemen, not one argument put forth by Rockie to show how this information in the article is somehow incorrect. Perhaps because it is correct.

Once again:

"Half of wind turbines froze last week, causing wind’s share of electricity to plunge to 8% from 42%. Power prices in the wholesale market spiked, and grid regulators on Friday warned of rolling blackouts. Natural gas and coal generators ramped up to cover the supply gap but couldn’t meet the surging demand for electricity—which half of households rely on for heating—even as many families powered up their gas furnaces."

"In short, there wasn’t sufficient baseload power from coal and nuclear to support the grid. Baseload power is needed to stabilize grid frequency amid changes in demand and supply. When there’s not enough baseload power, the grid gets unbalanced and power sources can fail. The more the grid relies on intermittent renewables like wind and solar, the more baseload power is needed to back them up."

"Coal and nuclear are more strictly regulated and can’t compete, and many coal plants have shut down in Texas and elsewhere. Over the last decade about 100 gigawatts of coal power nationwide has been retired—enough to power 60 million homes. Many nuclear plants are scheduled to shut down, including large reactors in New York and Illinois this year.

Renewables and natural gas are expected to substitute, but Texas is showing their limitations. In the Lone Star State, bad weather has constrained the supply of gas, but government policies do the same in other states. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and New Jersey’s Phil Murphy have blocked pipelines to deliver shale gas from Pennsylvania to the Northeast.

Their pipeline blockade has driven up the cost of electricity. The average retail price of power is about 50% higher in New Jersey and New York than in Pennsylvania. They and other governors have also poured subsidies into wind and solar"

"Many states also have renewable mandates that will force more fossil-fuel generators to shut down. New York has required that renewables account for 70% of state power by 2030. Then layer on Democratic policies at the federal level that limit fossil-fuel production and distribution."



Which takes us back to the beginning of my back and forth with Rockie over the last few days. Rockie and his foolish fellow thinkers want to not only close the energy pipeline to Michigan(and Ontario by the way) but also block the replacement. The inevitable end result. Much higher cost to you and freezing in the dark/roasting in the heat.

Vote to keep these fools out of power whenever you can.

[dhc#]

This sad but true.

[Rockie]

As you can see ladies and gentlemen, not one argument put forth by Rockie to show how this information in the article is somehow incorrect. Perhaps because it is correct.

The opinion piece (learn what that means) omits a ton of facts as does your brain. I don't argue facts with people who are blind to them due to the old saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them think". It's like debating a dog...what for? I'd rather beat my head against a wall for two hours because at least it feels better when you stop. There's literally nothing to be gained from arguing facts with an idiot whose earflaps close up as soon as one approaches him.

I get it Dh8Classic I really do. Thinking is hard. It's much easier to be told what to think than to actually have to do it yourself.

[Dh8Classic]

I get it Dh8Classic I really do. Thinking is hard. It's much easier to be told what to think than to actually have to do it yourself.

Well show us your wonderful thinking for countering these statements Rockie. And after that, tell us why you think it would be a good idea to close the current Enbridge line in Michigan and block the new one. Or will it just be more insults from the green platform.

"Half of wind turbines froze last week, causing wind’s share of electricity to plunge to 8% from 42%. Power prices in the wholesale market spiked, and grid regulators on Friday warned of rolling blackouts. Natural gas and coal generators ramped up to cover the supply gap but couldn’t meet the surging demand for electricity—which half of households rely on for heating—even as many families powered up their gas furnaces."

"In short, there wasn’t sufficient baseload power from coal and nuclear to support the grid. Baseload power is needed to stabilize grid frequency amid changes in demand and supply. When there’s not enough baseload power, the grid gets unbalanced and power sources can fail. The more the grid relies on intermittent renewables like wind and solar, the more baseload power is needed to back them up."

"Coal and nuclear are more strictly regulated and can’t compete, and many coal plants have shut down in Texas and elsewhere. Over the last decade about 100 gigawatts of coal power nationwide has been retired—enough to power 60 million homes. Many nuclear plants are scheduled to shut down, including large reactors in New York and Illinois this year.

Renewables and natural gas are expected to substitute, but Texas is showing their limitations. In the Lone Star State, bad weather has constrained the supply of gas, but government policies do the same in other states. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and New Jersey’s Phil Murphy have blocked pipelines to deliver shale gas from Pennsylvania to the Northeast.

Their pipeline blockade has driven up the cost of electricity. The average retail price of power is about 50% higher in New Jersey and New York than in Pennsylvania. They and other governors have also poured subsidies into wind and solar"

"Many states also have renewable mandates that will force more fossil-fuel generators to shut down. New York has required that renewables account for 70% of state power by 2030. Then layer on Democratic policies at the federal level that limit fossil-fuel production and distribution."

[Rockie]

And after that, tell us why you think it would be a good idea to close the current Enbridge line in Michigan and block the new one.

When did I say that?