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KAG · Post by **KAG** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:11 pm

Hey, we have no FA's - reguardless of # of teeth. And yes, some might consider YYC a "jurk water hole", but I think it's alright.

As for the hotties, forget about it - you won't be able to afford em....

PS. your right, props are for boats. Can't wait to get one.

SplitS · Post by **SplitS** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:59 pm

tsgas,

if you are a pilot (lets says a jet pilot at that) props got you where you are today (probably the unemployment line). Soooo....Take your high flying attitude to FL410 and decompress your ego a little...

Cheers btw,

SplitS

tsgas · Post by **tsgas** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:14 am

I don't believe that a new capt on a A-100 flying for an air carrier based in YYC starts at 65K.

And for the little man Splits ,why don't you try some Viagra for your problem?

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:18 pm

TSGAS....Your right, a new CPT doesnt make 65K to start on an A100, they make around 55K and they rotate up north - but were based in either YYC or YEG. Not bad for getting half the year off.

Point I was makeing was 65K to be a CPT on a folker, with paying a 30K bond, seems low.

RB211 · Post by **RB211** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:24 pm

King Air Guy wrote:...Point I was makeing was 65K to be a CPT on a folker, with paying a 30K bond, seems low.

You're right it is low!

Pray AC doesn't fold or it will be next to forever before it starts to get better. The age of Walmart wages for pilots!

pimper · Post by **pimper** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:17 pm

How quickly you forget RB..how much were you making at Regional? And if you want to pick on the lowest paid guys try Canjet!!

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:16 pm

BUT....Canjet doesn't require you to fork over 30K up front.

Don't get me wrong, if I was able to afford the 30K, and Jetsgo called, I'd go. Everyone I've talked to there loves it, I hear its a good time. Joining a fast paced, dynamic, rapidily expanding airline is what I would eventually like to do. But in the last 5 years or so, I have seen our industry take a huge hit when it comes to salary's, there going down - fast.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking to get rich in this business, but I don't think makeing over 100K is outlandish for flying a heavy jet with a couple hundred people on it. Damn, regional pays that for Dash drivers - and yes, they turn a tidy profit.

Discount carriers are here to stay, and with that we must lower our expectations salary wise. But when I hear that I make more than a folker CPT, one has to wonder.....

Cheers.

RB211 · Post by **RB211** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:19 pm

pimper wrote:How quickly you forget RB..how much were you making at Regional? And if you want to pick on the lowest paid guys try Canjet!!

A little over $90K on the F28 when I left. I haven't forgotten.

Who was I picking on? Pilot wages, across the board, are lower than they were 20 years ago. If AC is gone the ceiling is forever lowered and any chance of decent wages in this country are gone.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:14 pm

Amen.

There has to be at least one high paying carrier in this country.

wattabunchapussies · Post by **wattabunchapussies** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:21 pm

Have a Nice Day!

pimper · Post by **pimper** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:34 pm

RB, your telling me that before the blue regional was taken over by the red regioinal you were making over 90 grand?? I seriously don't think your in a position to be telling people about wages coming down. You were part of the lowest paid airline in the country. Regional was the perfect example of paying for a PPC with low wages, just over 20 grand for your first yr of service.

KAG, it sometimes doesn't matter how big the airplane is. For example, a dash 8-300 captain flies 4 legs in 1 day. Thats 50 pax times by 4 compared a wide body 767 guy flying 1 leg with 220 pax. And I really don't know what part this 30 grand plays into it, its not part of the wage, its paid off with interest every month in addition to the wage.

Blastor · Post by **Blastor** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:46 pm

JetsGo is here to stay. Period. Make your peace.

Industry going to the lowest bidder? Pay-for-the-job-u-want? I't's been like that for years!!

If you don't like it, don't apply!

It''s the same thing for fligth instructor & small (crappy) charter outift too.

This industry is run by crooks because the system is managed by crooks

That your name is Clive or Michel doesn't make a diffrence. A crook is a crook is a crook.

Owners makes the $$$$$$$. MOT mandate (or doesn't, depending on your point of view) this industry and pilots prostitute themselves.

Only Pilots can change this. Who will make the ultimate sacrifice and say No way!? Who will follow? There's your answer.

RB211 · Post by **RB211** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:13 pm

pimper wrote:RB, your telling me that before the blue regional was taken over by the red regioinal you were making over 90 grand?? ....

Yes, I am.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:47 pm

wattabuchapussies - welcome back 748 hoe.

Pimper - As for jetsgo's bond, the only problem I have with it, is actually comming up with it. 30K isnt something alot of us have in our back pockets. Also, you make the payments for the first 6 months (thats tough), they then pay it off over 18 months. Guys are makeing money off it (jetsgo is paying you back around 10%) but again - it's getting it in the first place thats tough.

Cheers.

RB211 · Post by **RB211** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:47 pm

pimper wrote:...Regional was the perfect example of paying for a PPC with low wages, just over 20 grand for your first yr of service.
...

Even if one believes low first year pay = paying for a PPC(I don't). The major difference is, once one had the PPC from regional they could leave with no financial penalty. I don't believe Jetsgo will give you your money back after a couple of months if you find greener pastures.

At any rate, my initial comments were that the overall compensation levels are less now and not showing signs of improving any time soon. Do you disagree?

If AC survives and were to start hiring again, there would be pressure on other carriers to improve their employment packages so pilots would be less likely to jump ship. That's one of the reasons I don't want to see AC fail.

I disagree with Jetsgo's practise for a number of reasons and wouldn't go there. My decision. You felt differently and made your decision. We agree to disagree. Since you are apparently happy with the way things have gone for you, nothing I, or anyone else, say should be upsetting. IMHO

Cheers

tsgas · Post by **tsgas** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:23 am

If AC makes it, you can be sure that their pilots are going to get some more trims in pay and benefits, the federal and provencial governments will continue to pump money into the puppy farms ensuring a steady stream of eager,low priced help.
So whine as you may,the market and not day dreaming of bygone days,will dictate wages and benefits.

RB211 · Post by **RB211** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:57 am

tsgas wrote:If AC makes it, you can be sure that their pilots are going to get some more trims in pay and benefits, the federal and provencial governments will continue to pump money into the puppy farms ensuring a steady stream of eager,low priced help.
So whine as you may,the market and not day dreaming of bygone days,will dictate wages and benefits.

Exactly my point. What do you think the market will be like if AC were to fold? Even with further 'trims' there will still be a 'bar' at the top end if they exist.

Basically, the higher the ceiling, the higher the potential.

tsgas · Post by **tsgas** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 8:30 am

I think that WJ will lead in pilot compensation just like SW does in the U.S.
I remember about 18 months ago when some AC pilots bragged about how much more productive they were compared to their U.S. counterparts.Well with a 20 % rise in the CAD and massive pay cuts that are going on and will continue at US Airways,the AC people will no longer be in the position of power that they were.
LCC is what the public demands .Pilots paid $200K, Ramp rats paid $75 K, and FA's $65 K doesn't cut it today. Pilot compensation will go up at LCC if the company as a whole can compete in this new reality.

CHICKEN WINGS · Post by **CHICKEN WINGS** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:43 am

KING AIR GUY - Don't forget, not only you bring 30K at Jetsgo, but you also don't get payd the first 8 weeks ! Until one of your groundschool mates does his first revenu flight.

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:39 pm

Same as at Candian Regional only it was no pay till YOU did your first revenue flight.