Will Enerjet fly?

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Re: Will Enerjet fly?

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Heard them tonight by YYZ going to Moncton. Glanford aviation is who they were calling out on company frequency, so I'm guessing they were in YHM.

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tonysoprano wrote:Pilots going to Ejet should be aware that they will not become millionaires the way things worked at WJ. At the time WJ came into the industry, Canadi>n was winding down. When Canadi>n finally vanished, WJetters of the day became millionaires soon there after. Right place, right time, nothing more. Pure Fk'n LUCK. Lottery style. It won't happen again. The industry as is will not make any pilots rich any time soon. All I hope is that the guys going to Ejet uphold the code of ethics for pilots in this industry. That is, get respect and get payed what you are worth. Good luck, be safe. :!:
Tony,

Is the first year F/O at Air Canada getting paid what he/she is worth?
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Is the first year F/O at Air Canada getting paid what he/she is worth?
No. But there's a contract in place that's second to none. Have you seen it?
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cat3 wrote:

I believe quite a few pilots were saying the same thing (about AC) in Canada when WJ began with a of couple of worn out -200's and a few pussed-out pilots willing to do the work for a lot less than industry average. NOw they got a fleet of NG's and those pussies are millionaires. Still don't have the balls, leadership and common sense to stand up and demand newly upgraded Captains get paid their due years of service, thus once again aiding in lowering the collective bar, but millionaires nonetheless.
Hey cat3, just rereading your post. You seem to have an issue with the senior pilots at WJ. Pussies?? What's up, somebody spank you or is it just your sense of entitlement?
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tonysoprano wrote:
Is the first year F/O at Air Canada getting paid what he/she is worth?
No.
That's all I was looking for. Thanks.
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well said Mr. Sacamano
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Guys, no need to rehash the starting salary issue. We've discussed it at nauseum on this forum. All I tried to say was Ejet guys have an oppurtunity to make their new job a great career. Getting payed what they are worth means being able to compare their salaries and benefits to another similar operation(s) and seeing close similarities. To do all they can to avoid another Jetsgo operation. But you guys immediately jump on the AC bashing. If you're not able to look beyond the starting salary, you will be a very frustrated pilot in this part of the world. Look a few years down the line and if you can't see yourself making a descent living with good benefits, pension and flying descent equipment, don't sign up. Ejet guys will have to consider all this with their new employer.
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Heard Enerjet last night on Boston center heading east. Not sure of the destination though.
I think Transat and Sky are the only starting salaries that are maybe where they should. The rest of them suck !!
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I think Transat and Sky are the only starting salaries that are maybe where they should. The rest of them suck !!
That's right. And the only reason those salaries are descent is because of the going rates for the size of equipment you start on.
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tonysoprano wrote:Guys, no need to rehash the starting salary issue. We've discussed it at nauseum on this forum. All I tried to say was Ejet guys have an oppurtunity to make their new job a great career. Getting payed what they are worth means being able to compare their salaries and benefits to another similar operation(s) and seeing close similarities. To do all they can to avoid another Jetsgo operation. But you guys immediately jump on the AC bashing. If you're not able to look beyond the starting salary, you will be a very frustrated pilot in this part of the world. Look a few years down the line and if you can't see yourself making a descent living with good benefits, pension and flying descent equipment, don't sign up. Ejet guys will have to consider all this with their new employer.
Tony,

I don't believe that I bashed AC. I simply held you to what you were saying. At AC, down the line, one can obviously have a
comfortable living (if that is what said person wants), there's no doubt about that.

By the way, what's the starting pay for f/o and captains at Enerjet?
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cat3 wrote:True North said:

"Yeah, Tim's two airplanes are going to put the BIG hurt on WJ. :lol:"

I believe quite a few pilots were saying the same thing (about AC) in Canada when WJ began with a of couple of worn out -200's and a few pussed-out pilots willing to do the work for a lot less than industry average. NOw they got a fleet of NG's and those pussies are millionaires. Still don't have the balls, leadership and common sense to stand up and demand newly upgraded Captains get paid their due years of service, thus once again aiding in lowering the collective bar, but millionaires nonetheless.
Don't see how a few pilots were saying the same thing since AC wasn't WS primary competition. It was CPs market that WS was going after. Guess no one remembers AC flying WS "Guests" around when they shut themselves down before TC did! 8)
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By the way, what's the starting pay for f/o and captains at Enerjet?
i don't know. I wish them well.
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I heard Co-captains, no FO's yet. Just say'n.
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I talked to their Chief Pilot the other day. They have hired some FOs. I don't know what they are paying the FOs but the skippers that went over from WJ are making the same as they did at WJ. They were all top of the scale so there's nothing wrong with that.
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So where are their FO's coming from?
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Saw Enerjet fly today! 737 with a big yellow ribbon on the tail in Fort McMurray tonight! Way to go! :D
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Did I hear right that Enerjet's first flight was Fort Mac to Gander? Can you fill up a -700 and fly that leg from that runway? ( I foget how long it is?). What about at 30c or so?
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mulligan wrote:Did I hear right that Enerjet's first flight was Fort Mac to Gander? Can you fill up a -700 and fly that leg from that runway? ( I foget how long it is?). What about at 30c or so?
It's a few hundred miles shorter than OGG-YVR which Westjet does. OGG's runway is about 500' shorter than YMM (roughly 7,500' vs. 7,000'). Don't think it will be the hotter temps that will be the problem but runway conditions in the winter (just a guess on my part).
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We rarely use full muscle on the -700's. They have jam to spare. And when the runway gets too short for full rated and flaps 1, we can drop the flaps and go bleeds off.
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Re: Will Enerjet fly?

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I've done a few flap 25, bump thrust, bleeds off T/O out of OGG...sure got off that short hot runway real fast!! Could probably do it with an Airbus strapped to our back too :mrgreen:
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daveg wrote:Carefull Bugz, an ego like that attracts a lot of negative attention around here. Your post might even be deleted.

If anyone seriously gets bothered by that comment, then they're too uptight :roll: ...I'm outta here, porn sites are more fun anyway! :goodman:
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