Sky Regional Pilot Contract

[rxl]

These "Express" execs are taking money right out of the pocket of every pilot in the country to fund their lovely fat bonuses.
If you are thinking of taking a positon with one of these carriers, PLEASE think long and hard about the long term consequences to ALL concerned.

[Big Pistons Forever]

I see Sky Regional is advertising for Dash 8 Captains and FO's ( must be type rated ). It will be interesting to see how many takers they get.

[rudder]

SKY/AC should give up on the Q400 ops and assign those aircraft to Jazz. SKY should focus on being able to complete the E175 flying portion of the CPA in the face of what appears to be a significant attrition rate of their more experienced pilots.

[Bede]

I see Sky Regional is advertising for Dash 8 Captains and FO's ( must be type rated ). It will be interesting to see how many takers they get.

Probably a few less than Encore is getting. Same crummy pay but with no opportunity for advancement.

[timel]

Counting down 2 more days until they publish their "PAY DETAILS", not RAISE, DETAILS!!! They said that Friday August 1st they would release their new "incentives" which is SR speak for putting up yet another smoke-screen! It's just rewording, repackaging of the same S#!T-sandwich, and a sprinkling of pennies on top... Which might fool the small/weak minded. I DO NOT expect to see anything worth talking about.

Free your mind on the 1st of August!
My little mailing list is all updated ready for duty (weak minded or not) !!

[airboy1]

Hey Regional Rat,

If you hate the place so much, why haven't you left yet? Nothing personal but it does sounds you have a vendetta against SR.

[Mig29]

How do you know what is the guy's situation? Maybe he has no choice at the moment, had a PFO or two and no he's stuck somewhere where he thought it would be a good place to work for. Point is he's telling straight up how things are there....wish more people had the guts to do the same. Fair and square....whether is Sky, Encore, GGN, Jazz or even AC and WJ....

[Maxpwr]

So we got our new pay scale announcement last night. It's like the most convoluted pay structure I've seen so I'll just break it down for you. We still have base salaries plus an hourly credit. Credit doubles and triples depending on your block hours over 80 or over 85. Over 90hrs is still overtime rate of 1.5 times your full salary plus credit.

Introduced a RRSP match up to 5% over 6 years.

Basically on your anniversary date you get a 2% raise.
On Jan 1st if each year you get a inflation increase based on the CPI to a max of 1.5%

We still have a 5% guaranteed profit share portion.
Now also get up to 2.5% OTP incentive bonus.

All that being said they I'll break it down for you with all the above minus the pension cuz that shouldn't be considered salary.

Based on 85hrs a month...

Yr1 Cpt: $82481. Yr1 FO: $49724
Yr2 Cpt: $85183. Yr2 FO: $51350
Yr3 Cpt: $87296. Yr3 FO: $52624
Yr4 Cpt: $89460. Yr4 FO: $53928
Yr5 Cpt: $91676. Yr5 FO: $55264
Yr6 Cpt: $93509. Yr6 FO: $56369

After 6 yrs we just get the CPI increases. We'll have to work on that later.

Those are the facts. Just the facts. Once again those numbers are based on 85hrs a month and include everything except per diems (duh!) and pension.

Someone else posted the Jazz pay scale so I'm posting the Sky payscale. No more rumours or guesswork. Just facts. If you like it then apply. If you don't then don't. At least you have real info to work with.

[rudder]

Please send that pay scale to WJ/Encore/WJPA so that they will see that they are now officially the bottom feeder of the industry in 75 seat aircraft.

But hey, you get to tell your neighbours that you are a WJ pilot (sort of.....)

[DBC]

Maxpwr,

How does a quiet month work out? Not sure what you guys even have as min guarantee honestly but I would guess 70ish?

[Maxpwr]

Min guarantee is 65hrs.
So far the Embraer has averaged around 88hrs an the q400 around 83hrs. I can tell you that they try to keep staffing levels to keep us in the mid 80 hr months. In other words they want to minimize staffing levels. To answer your question it's tougher to say but I did post our salary based on 65hrs and 75hrs earlier in the thread. Just add 2% per year and 1.5% for inflation. Then the OTP incentive ramps up to 2.5% by year 6. I know it's not the clear cut answer you were looking for but like I said the pay structure is convoluted and they only broke it down for us based on 85hrs a month.

I will ask them to put something out for 75 and 65 hrs and post it here. Fair enough?

[rudder]

Jazz @ 85 credits all types up to 90 seat max certified capacity (Jazz has min day/flt duty/ trip rigs that apply):

Yr1 Cpt: $82508. Yr1 FO: $44159
Yr2 Cpt: $84568. Yr2 FO: $49694
Yr3 Cpt: $86680. Yr3 FO: $57814
Yr4 Cpt: $88842. Yr4 FO: $60129
Yr5 Cpt: $91066. Yr5 FO: $62536
Yr6 Cpt: $93340. Yr6 FO: $65035

Yr17 Cpt: $122482. Yr12 FO: $76531

*Current Jazz junior Cpt is 9th year scale: $100521

Anybody have current Porter Q400 scale? There is nothing on APC. Would also like to see the SKY Q400 rates so that the comparison is apples vs apples.

[Maxpwr]

The rates I posted are for all types at Sky. Status pay like Jazz. I'm trying to get the Porter payscale too. I think it's pretty good from what I hear.

[Grey_Wolf]

Anybody have current Porter Q400 scale?

Based on 85 Credits / Month

Yr 1 Capt - 77,749
Yr 2 Capt - 79,694
Yr 3 Capt - 81,692
Yr 4 Capt - 83,731
Yr 5 Capt - 85,822
Yr 6 Capt - 87,965
Yr 7 Capt - 90,161
Yr 8 Capt - 92,418

Yr 1 FO - 41,616
Yr 2 FO - 46,816
Yr 3 FO - 54,485
Yr 4 FO - 56,660
Yr 5 FO - 58,926
Yr 6 FO - 61,289
Yr 7 FO - 63,745
Yr 8 FO - 65,337

[timel]

While you guys are at it do you have WJ encore?

[Radiocaster]

So the first 6 years are roughly the same between SR and Jazz. The FO scale at Jazz goes up 4.5% a year after year 2 though.

[Maxpwr]

Yep, roughly the same. But Jazz has a sweet DB pension and higher per diems. And of course a 17 year scale but we all know you don't just put out a 17 year scale overnight. Jazz also made a conscious effort to bring up the FO pay last time around.

[rudder]

While you guys are at it do you have WJ encore?

Here is what I found posted elsewhere on Avcanada (somebody else can do the math for 85 hours).

Min guarantee 80 hours until 01 Jan 2015 then reverts to 70 hours.

Looks like WJ/Encore/WJPA take this 10% indentured servitude discount quite seriously (except on the B767 of course):


FO Rate Annually
Year 0 $38.97 $37,411
Year 1 $40.65 $39,024
Year 2 $42.42 $40,723
Year 3 $44.25 $42,480
Year 4 $46.17 $44,323

Captain Rate Annually
Year 0 $70.91 $68,074
Year 1 $72.80 $69,888
Year 2 $74.75 $71,760
Year 3 $76.75 $73,680
Year 4 $78.80 $75,648

"Annually" is based on min guarantee of 80 hours per month

[rudder]

What are the overtime premiums at SKY, Porter, and Encore? 25/50/100%? At what point do they kick in? 80/85/90?

[Maxpwr]

Overtime at Sky starts at 90hrs. Its time and a half.