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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#51 Post by rudder » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:53 pm

70$ per hour? That is about the same hourly rate that is being paid to a Jazz FO that just lost their upgrade opportunity thanks to the GGN CRJ bid at AC. The irony is that almost none of the GGN pilots even meet the experience requirements to occupy the left seat of the CRJ. Hence, almost all OTS hiring.
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#52 Post by Heisenberg666 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:41 am

Cisbour wrote:70$ per hour flying a 70 hour guarantee, that's 58 800 per year. Am I missing something?
You are correct.

Capt pay is $70/hr, 70 minimum guarantee. Overtime does not start until 90 hours. They are projecting 85 hours a month, but thats not guaranteed of course. FO pay is $37/hr. 10 GDOs.
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#53 Post by sstef70 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:00 pm

What about the per diem and the schedule?
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#54 Post by Cisbour » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:27 pm

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piston12 wrote:Fact: At Air Georgian base salary for the captian postion on the CRJ pays 72,000/year. This is based on 70 hr/month with a 16 day/month sched. Projected flight hours per month is 85, so if you do the math, there is a potential to have a pretty decent paycheque given today's pay scales in aviation. First officers on the CRJ have the same deal with a base salary of 40,000.


There...no more need for speculation :wink:

So are you saying if you don't fly at all you still get $72000/yr?

And if you fly 71 hrs, you get overtime?

So this is completely misleading. 70$ at 70 hours is 58.8 k per year. Not the 72k piston is mentionning...
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#55 Post by Mig29 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:18 pm

Heisenberg666 wrote:
Cisbour wrote:70$ per hour flying a 70 hour guarantee, that's 58 800 per year. Am I missing something?
You are correct.

Capt pay is $70/hr, 70 minimum guarantee. Overtime does not start until 90 hours. They are projecting 85 hours a month, but thats not guaranteed of course. FO pay is $37/hr. 10 GDOs.
OOuch!!! 10 GDO's...one less then few years ago.... :rolleyes:
rudder wrote:70$ per hour? That is about the same hourly rate that is being paid to a Jazz FO that just lost their upgrade opportunity thanks to the GGN CRJ bid at AC. The irony is that almost none of the GGN pilots even meet the experience requirements to occupy the left seat of the CRJ. Hence, almost all OTS hiring.
Yes sir, but try to explain that to starry eyed low time pilots who think they be at AC at no time..,,In essence, it's fair to say that Air Canada has just lowered the bar once again, and we took the bait....
If someone thinks the A320 fleet or future B737 fleet is not far away from the chopping block in few years, then they must be dreaming. And then there will be only long haul fleet left for those shocked starry eyed pilots to dream (because there are just not enough seats there for all of them to work), while the rest of the narrow body fleet will be scattered all over Canada at various low wage/high work load contractor....Bright future ahead! :wink:
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#56 Post by sstef70 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:40 pm

what will be the basic salary for F/O then?
and the Perdiem?
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#57 Post by teacher » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:47 pm

Something that we take for granted I think at Jazz is our minimum daily credit for work. Also the fact that we still get paid for what we were scheduled for even if it gets canceled because guess what? I planned to come into work or worse, I'm stuck in a hotel wanting to work but stranded due to weather or mechanical delays. Will GGN (and Sky Regional) pilots get paid for cancelled flights or do you get docked pay?
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#58 Post by Heisenberg666 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:14 am

teacher wrote:Something that we take for granted I think at Jazz is our minimum daily credit for work. Also the fact that we still get paid for what we were scheduled for even if it gets canceled because guess what? I planned to come into work or worse, I'm stuck in a hotel wanting to work but stranded due to weather or mechanical delays. Will GGN (and Sky Regional) pilots get paid for cancelled flights or do you get docked pay?
You bring up a good point. This issue has been raised before, but unfortunately we do not have any such protection. The LOU which allows 705 operations under the current contract is less than 4 pages in length, its a bit of a joke. The per diems are $1.85/hr for those that are wondering.
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#59 Post by Maxpwr » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:47 am

Sky Regional does have what we call block protection now. Still get paid for cancelled legs. Very recent change though. Also got credit or half the duty time pay which is also new. Things are still evolving.
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#60 Post by dazednconfused » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:30 am

Mig29 wrote: If someone thinks the A320 fleet or future B737 fleet is not far away from the chopping block in few years, then they must be dreaming. And then there will be only long haul fleet left for those shocked starry eyed pilots to dream (because there are just not enough seats there for all of them to work), while the rest of the narrow body fleet will be scattered all over Canada at various low wage/high work load contractor....Bright future ahead! :wink:
Excellent post. Too bad none of this is discussed at flights schools.
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#61 Post by sstef70 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:31 pm

i might stay up north for 70k /years
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#62 Post by Roger1989 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:47 pm

Where they find these pilots is a mystery. That payscale is terrible and 10 GDO's!!!
Unless your instructing or avoiding northern ops this can be seen as a stepping stone to get you by for the time being....AT BEST and even then why???

If your up north just wait it out for the other carriers to hire you matter of months anyway.

Apparently they have or are joining ALPA. I wonder how long the effects would take.
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#63 Post by KAG » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:06 pm

Where are companies going to get these pilots? Sure today its no problem, but in 5-10 years good luck. Couple that with cadet programs and the type of flying we do in Canada, I really hate to say this but were heading for a regional accident and lack of experience will be to blame. RJ's are not forgiving machines despite their small stature. Companies trying to save a buck are going to end up paying millions in settlements. Sadly, its just a matter of time.
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#64 Post by altiplano » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:00 am

Nearby 3 year old thread.

But sure it's much better but dredging up old info isn't relevant in this market I don't think...

Maybe add to the conversation rather than repeating it?
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Re: Air Canada Selects Air Georgian

#65 Post by Shady McSly » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:07 am

Yeah, like maybe?
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