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FLVCs for flying under Part VII of the CARs in Canada

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The legality of foreign licence validation certificates (FLVC) to conduct commercial flights in Canada on aircraft operated under Part VII of the Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs)

October 1, 2014


Contents
The legality of foreign licence validation certificates (FLVC) to conduct commercial flights in Canada on aircraft operated under Part VII of the Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs)
Introduction
Definitions
List of CARs’ regulations dealing with Foreign Licence Validation Certificate (FLVC)
Foreign Licence Validation Certificate and Part IV of the Canadian Aviation Regulations
The FLVCs issued to foreign pilots employed by Sunwing and Canjet are based under CARs 421.07(2)(j).
Is it in the public interest to issue FLVCs under clause 421.07(2)(j)?
The Regulatory Impact Analysis Statement (RIAS) and CAR 401.07 Foreign licence validation
Is it safe to place pilots, holders of FLVCs, in control of Canadian commercial aircraft operated under Part VII of the CARs?
Foreign license validation certificates and Part VII of the Canadian Aviation Regulations
The laws and regulations and the question of ‘’nationality’’ for the pilot licence.
The genesis of 421.07(2)(j)
Conclusion

Introduction

We are a group of aviation professionals and we wish to submit that it is our opinion, that the federal government misinterprets the Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs) by allowing foreign pilots who do not hold Canadian licences to be employed as flight crew members of Canadian aircraft for commercial purposes by way of Foreign Licence Validation Certificates (FLVC).
Transport Canada is currently of the opinion that in accordance with the CARs, an FLVC is the equivalent of a Canadian licence. We believe, rather, that an FLVC is a document or a certificate, as defined under section 401.07 of the CARs, which recognizes the validity of the foreign licence of its holder, but it is not a Canadian licence as defined by the legislation. On this subject, the following was published in the Canada Gazette with regards to section 401.07 Foreign Licence Validation certificate
While the issuance of the foreign licence validation certificate accepts the standards of training and operations within the original licensing country, these restrictions upon the duration and purposes of such a certificate minimize the potential exposure of Canadian operators and the Canadian licensing system to possibly less stringent standards.

This prohibition supports de limited duration and use to which such a certificate can be put. This measure ensures the protection of the Canadian aviation system from the effect of possibly less rigorous standards applied in pilot licensing elsewhere, which would dilute the worth of a Canadian document if foreign licenses were validated in Canada without limit or restriction.
In light of this text, we submit that it was never a question in the mind of the regulator to allow hundreds of pilots with foreign licenses to fly, year after year, Canadian aircraft with FLVCs. We also share the concerns expressed in the above text that the validation, on a routine basis, of foreign licenses without regards to the delivery and operating standards of issuing countries might constitute a security threat to the Canadian travelling public.
Transport Canada relies on the ground (j) of section 421.07(2) of the CARS to issue FLVCs for commercial purposes. The English wording of section 421.07(2) (j) stipulates that this provision can only be invoked when in the public interest. The French version of (j) includes an additional restriction specifying that the issuance of an FLVC only be issued in “exceptional circumstances”. Transport Canada relies on this provision to issue every year hundreds of FLVCs to foreign pilots, and allows them to conduct commercial flights in Canada. Statistics clearly show that the ‘’exceptional’’ nature of provision (J) is not respected since the majority of the FLVCs are issued under this particular ground.
We detail, in this document, that in accordance with the Canadian Aviation Regulations, Transport Canada should not issue, every year, hundreds of FLVCs to foreign pilots in order to conduct commercial flights in Canada in lieu of Canadian pilots.


The committee on foreign pilots.

Gilles Hudicourt
Richard Gagnon
Martin Gauthier
Michel Perreault


Definitions

Section 400.01(1) of Part IV qualifies an FLVC as ‘’document’’. A ‘’document’’ is not a license.
“foreign licence validation certificate” means a certificate issued by the Minister pursuant to subsection 401.07(1); (certificat de validation de licence étrangère)
Section 400.01(2) of Part IV makes a distinction between a permit, a license, a qualification, and an FLVC, which indicates that an FLVC is not a permit, a license or a qualification. It therefore does not meet the requirement of Section 705.106(1)(a).
400.01(2) Any reference in this Part to a permit, licence, rating or foreign licence validation certificate is a reference to a valid Canadian permit, licence, rating or foreign licence validation certificate.
List of CARs’ regulations dealing with Foreign Licence Validation Certificate (FLVC)

400.01(1)
400.01(2)
401.03
401.07, 421.07
702.65
703.88, 723.88(3)
704.108, 724.108(2)
705.106, 725.106(6)

Foreign Licence Validation Certificate and Part IV of the Canadian Aviation Regulations

The FLVC issued to foreign pilots employed by Sunwing and Canjet are based under CARs 421.07(2)(j).

The Licence Validation Certificates (FLVC) issued by Transport Canada (TC) to foreign pilots for Sunwing and Canjet are in accordance with section 421.07(2)(j) of Part IV standards of the Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs) ‘’PERSONNEL LICENSING AND TRAINING’’.
This has been confirmed by Mr. Martin Eley during a meeting with the Canadian council of the Canadian Airline Pilot Association (ALPA Canada) in Ottawa, on October 10, 2013, in response to a question asked by Captain Martin Gauthier (Air Transat ALPA), namely under which of the 10 grounds listed in sub-section a) to j) of section 421.07(2) of the CARs were FLVCs allowed to be issued to Sunwing and Canjet.
Mr. Eley answered clearly and unequivocally that it was under sub-section j) as listed hereunder.
Section 421.07(2) lists 9 pressing and specific reasons where TC is allowed to issue FLVCs. A tenth reason is also shown, a reason that authorizes the Minister to issue FLVC when they cannot be issued under any of the nine other pressing reasons, when it is in the public interest to do so, but only in exceptional cases.
421.07 Validation of Foreign Licences
(1) Issue of Foreign Licence Validation Certificate
(a) A Foreign Licence Validation Certificate shall be issued to an applicant who provides the following:
(i) a foreign licence valid under the laws of a contracting state and valid for the privileges requested; and
(ii) a letter requesting issue of the Foreign Licence Validation Certificate and specifying the purpose for which the foreign licence is to be validated.
(b) The Foreign Licence Validation Certificate shall normally be issued for a period of one year from the date of issue. A shorter period may be granted upon the applicant’s request.
(c) If the medical validity period of the licence issued by a contracting state other than Canada is longer than the ICAO standard, the validation shall be limited to Canadian airspace.
(2) Purposes For Which Foreign Licence Validation Certificates May Be Issued
(a) for the holder to undergo a flight test;
(b) for private recreational flying;
(c) for ferry of an aircraft registered in Canada to or from a foreign country;
(d) for the holder to give type rating training on an aircraft registered in Canada to the registered owner, or to Canadian flight crew employed by the registered owner;
(e) for the holder to receive training in a Canadian registered aircraft;
(f) for operation of aircraft registered in a foreign state under the operating certificate of a Canadian carrier provided that the privileges are limited to the type of aircraft being operated;
(g) for operation of Canadian aircraft on Canadian commercial air services in urgent circumstances; such as fire suppression operations, emergency agricultural and forestry aerial application, airlift in relief of domestic natural disasters, and search and rescue operations;
(h) for commercial air services operated entirely within a foreign country where pilots holding a licence from that country may have their licence validated for operation of Canadian registered aircraft in that country;
(i) for the operation of aircraft registered in Canada on lease to foreign carriers;
(j) for reasons other than those mentioned above where approval may be given if, in the opinion of the Minister, it is in the public interest and not likely to affect aviation safety.
and in the French version of the CARs
j) lorsqu'une demande a la prétention de servir l'intérêt public canadien pour des raisons non pas visées par les circonstances pressantes énumérées ci-dessus, le ministre peut accorder une approbation dans les cas exceptionnels.
To resume:
421.07(2) a) authorizes flight tests.
421.07(2) b) authorizes private or recreational flights.
421.07(2) c) authorizes ferry flights
421.07(2) d) authorizes to give training on a Canadian aircraft.
421.07(2) e) authorizes to receive training on a Canadian aircraft.
421.07(2) f) authorizes flying a foreign registered aircraft under a Canadian Operating Certificate.
421.07(2) g) authorizes flying a Canadian aircraft in case of emergency or natural disaster.
421.07(2) h) authorizes flying a Canadian aircraft entirely in a foreign country.
421.07(2) i) authorizes flying a Canadian registered aircraft but under a foreign Operating Certificate.
Finally 421.07(2) j) authorizes TC to issue FLVCs to a foreign licensed pilots for a reason other than those listed above, but under three conditions:
1. When it is in the public interest to authorize (does not affect aviation safety)
2. For reasons other than those pressing reasons mentioned above.
3. In exceptional case. (as written in the French version of the CARs.)

If we review Transport Canada statistics regarding the number of FLVCs issued and the reasons provided to issue the FLVCs over the last several years, we note that Transport Canada avoids any references to CARs 421.07(2) in these statistics, but rather evoke the names associated with the reasons therein: ‘’recreational’’, ‘’ferry’’, ‘’training’’. On the other hand, one of the reasons that surfaces in FLVC statistics from TC, but which does not show up in any of the clauses of 421.07(2) is the reason ‘’commercial’’.
In fact, according to the same statistics, the great majority of FLVCs issued by TC are described as being for the reason ‘’commercial’’. This reason does not exist in the CARs. All the FLVCs described as ‘’commercial’’ are actually FLVCs issued under section 421.07(2)(j), which is used by TC as a ‘’catch all’’ measure and seems to be flouted around as an excuse to issue commercial FLVCs on a routine basis when the CARS does not allow such a use for the FLVCs.
In 2011, Canjet and Sunwing benefited of 218 FLVCs under clause 421.07(2)(j) and again 139 more in 2012.
We have also recently received from Transport Canada some statistics on the total number of FLVCs issued in Canada over a period of three months, from October 2013 to December 2013 for all the reasons combined. TC issued 233 FLVCs during this three month period. Of these 233 FLVCs:
• 28 FLVCs were issued for private or recreational flying, therefore in accordance with clause 421.07(2)(b).
• 26 FLVCs were issued for ferry flights, therefore in accordance with 421.07(2)
• 3 FLVCs were issued for flight training, therefore in accordance with 421.02(2)(d) or 421.07(2)(e).
• 176 FLVCs were issued for ‘’commercial’’ flying, therefore in accordance with 421.(2)(j)
In light of these figures, we stipulates that the 176 FLVCs issued by TC over a total of 233 FLVCs were not ‘’exceptional’’ cases, issued in accordance with 421.07(2) (j). The cases deemed ‘’exceptional’’ represents over 75% of the FLVCs issued during that period.

Is it in the public interest to issue FLVCs under clause 421.07(2)(j)?

Clause 421.07(2) (j) specifies that it can only be invoked for the issuance of an FLVC, if it is in the public interest to do so. We must now begin to rule on the meaning and definition of the public interest when it comes to CARs.
The text below was taken from a document ‘’Civil Aviation Directive (CAD) No. REG-003 -Exemptions from Regulatory Requirements’’ which is available for consultation at the following website:
https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/ ... #appendixe
THE LEGAL ANALYSIS INVOLVED IN MAKING THE DETERMINATION OF “PUBLIC INTEREST” UNDER THE ACT.
What is the meaning of the term “Public Interest” in the Aeronautics Act?
There is no statutory definition for “public interest”.
Instead, the Minister has been delegated the authority by Parliament to use his discretion to make an opinion on what constitutes public interest.
How does the Minister exercise his discretion?
1. He must have regard to all of the relevant facts and law.
2. He must not be swayed by irrelevant considerations.
3. He must have regard to the letter and purpose of the legislation that gives him the power to act.
4. He must consider each case on its merits. Policy is relevant, but only insofar as applied to the facts
How does the Minister determine what are relevant considerations?
1. He must make his examination of the facts and law in terms of the letter and spirit of the Act.
2. He must make this determination in relation to the policies found in the Act.

What are the Policies Found in the Aeronautics Act?
1. Section 4.2 provides the clearest policy.

“The Minister is responsible for the development and regulation of aeronautics, and the supervision (enforcement) of all matters connected with aeronautics.”

2. Section 4.9
a) The primary objective of regulation under the Act is to maintain an acceptable level of safety.
b) The primary objective of supervision under the Act is to ensure compliance with regulatory standards.

3. Case law
a) The Minister has a heavy responsibility towards the general public to ensure safety of air carrier operations.
b) The Minister has a duty of care towards the general public to enforce legislative and regulatory requirements in the interest of public safety.
c) The Minister has a very broad discretion to consider any factor when interpreting public interest, so long as it relates to the matter at hand.
4. What is the Primary Public Interest under the Aeronautics Act?
The safety of air travel by strict compliance with the rules of safety.
Responsibilities of the Minister
The Minister must make his determination with the following policies in mind:

a) The Minister is responsible to the public for the regulation and supervision of aviation
activities so as to promote safety.
b) The Act enables a detailed regime of regulation intended to promote an acceptable level of aviation safety.
c) Pilots, air carriers and other participants in the aviation industry are expected to comply with those regulations, and thereby achieve an acceptable level of aviation safety.
Within What Context is the Determination of public interest to be made?
1) In accordance with the circumstances of each individual case.
2) Within the jurisdictional limitations of the Aeronautics Act.
3) With regard to the impact of the decision on the applicant, the general public, other members of the aviation industry, and the proper regulatory enforcement and supervision of aeronautics.
When determining, in accordance with clause 421.07 (2) (j) of the CARs, if it is in the public interest to issue FLVCs to pilots holding foreign licences, the Minister must first of all consider if it will provide an acceptable level of aviation safety.

The Regulatory Impact Analysis Statement (RIAS) and CAR 401.07 Foreign licence validation

There is a document, on the Transport Canada website, which explains how the clauses of the Canadian Aviation Regulations are created or modified. It may be accessed and consulted here:
https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/ ... ns-745.htm
It states that:
If the risk assessment team determines that an issue should be corrected by modifying the CARs, two courses of action will be initiated simultaneously. On one hand, a Notice of Proposed Amendment (NPA) is drafted by the appropriate functional area for presentation and discussion at a meeting of one of the Canadian Aviation Regulation Advisory Council (CARAC) standing Technical Committees, which is attended by industry stakeholders and Civil Aviation. On the other hand, the Regulatory Affairs Division prepares a triage questionnaire that will determine the scope of the Regulatory Impact Analysis Statement (RIAS), which must accompany new regulation to Canada Gazette, Part I.
CARs 401.07 (Foreign licence validation) indicates how FLVCs must be issued. It has been modified twice over the last few years, and on each of these modifications, the legislation requires that modifications must not only be published in the Canada Gazette, must be subject of a Regulatory Impact statement Analysis (RIAS) which addresses the issue in question. These RIAS which were prepared by the specialists from Regulatory Affairs of Transport Canada are as follows:
Canada Gazette, Vol 133, No 49, December 4 1999
CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences)
This amendment will add the prohibition that the applicant may not permanently reside in Canada. The change will emphasize the transitory nature of the foreign licence validation certificate. Personnel Licensing and Training Standard 421.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) limits the maximum duration for which such a certificate may be valid to one year from the date of issue. This standard also sets forth the list of purposes for which such a certificate may be issued. While the issuance of the foreign licence validation certificate accepts the standards of training and operations within the original licensing country, these restrictions upon the duration and purposes of such a certificate minimize the exposure of Canadian operators and the Canadian licensing system to potentially less stringent standards.

CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences)
The proposed amendment to CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) will prohibit a permanent resident of Canada from applying for a foreign licence validation certificate. This restriction will support the limited duration and use to which such a certificate can be put. The protection of the safety of the Canadian aviation system from the effect of possibly less rigorous standards applied in pilot licensing elsewhere, which could dilute the worth of a Canadian document if foreign licences were validated in Canada without limit or restriction, will be maintained. No significant benefit-cost consequences are expected from this proposed amendment.
Canada Gazette vol. 135, No 4 – February 14, 2001
CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences)
The amendment to CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) prevents an applicant for a foreign licence validation certificate from being a permanent resident of Canada. Under existing regulations, the holder of a foreign flight crew licence issued by a contracting state1, other than Canada, must satisfy only the applicable requirements in the Canadian personnel licensing standards upon applying for a foreign licence validation certificate. This amendment adds the prohibition that the applicant may not permanently reside in Canada. The change emphasizes the transitory nature of the foreign licence validation certificate. Personnel Licensing and Training Standard 421.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) limits the maximum duration for which such a certificate may be valid to one year from the date of issue. This Standard also sets forth the list of purposes for which such a certificate may be issued. While the issuance of the foreign licence validation certificate accepts the standards of training and operations within the original licensing country, these restrictions upon the duration and purposes of such a certificate minimize the potential exposure of Canadian operators and the Canadian licensing system to possibly less stringent standards.

CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences)
The amendment to CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) prohibits a permanent resident of Canada from applying for a foreign licence validation certificate. This restriction supports the limited duration and use to which such a certificate can be put. The protection of the safety of the Canadian aviation system from the effect of possibly less rigorous standards applied in pilot licensing elsewhere, which could dilute the worth of a Canadian document if foreign licences were validated in Canada without limit or restriction, will be maintained. No significant benefit cost consequences are expected from this amendment.
In both cases, the RISA places great emphasis on the transient nature of an FLVC and shows that the limits imposed on the reasons upon which FLVCs may be issued exist precisely to ‘’ guarantee the protection of the safety of the Canadian aviation system from the effect of possibly less rigorous standards applied in pilot licensing elsewhere, which could dilute the worth of a Canadian document if foreign licences were validated in Canada without limit or restriction’’.
It is therefore clear that RISA indicates that it is not in the public interest to issue FLVCs without limits as to the duration and reasons and that all FLVCs issued by TC must be not only be of a transitory nature, but must be limited to the pressing reasons outlined in the CARs, except in exceptional cases and only in when the public interest (and here we talk about aviation safety and nothing else).

According to this definition of public interest, we believe that Transport Canada is taking the opposite approach to regulation with respect to FLVCs. The Minister has issued these FLVCs for the last several years and often to the same individuals, for the purpose of commercial flights by using the ‘’other’’ category, which is to say CAR 421.07(2)(j). Because these FLVCs are issued for a period of one year, these individuals can be in possession of an FLVC for several consecutive years with which they fly, year after year, Canadian registered aircraft under Part VII. These FLVCs issued to these pilots are therefore not of a transitory nature, are not issued for pressing reasons listed in CARs 421.07(2) a) to i) but rather in accordance with clause j) which states that this clause can only be issued when it is in the public interest, and then only in exceptional cases.
The Minister must also ‘’make his examination of the facts and law in terms of the letter and spirit of the Act". Section 421.07 is restrictive and limiting and clause j) which was added to the CARs in 1998
should also be restrictive and limiting.

Furthermore, Part VII of the CARs does not allow the conduct of commercial flights with an FLVCs, as it is detailed as follows:

Is it safe to place pilots, holders of FLVCs, in control of Canadian commercial aircraft operated under Part VII of the CARs?

In our opinion, it is not safe and therefore not in the public interest to allow pilots from whom the Minister knows nothing of their past, their training history, accident and incident history, medical and psychological history, history of failed written simulators or flight tests and to allow these pilots to operate Canadian commercial flights under Part VII of the CARs. We only know that these pilots are the holder of a pilot licence issued from their country of origin, that they have a valid medical, that they have received a short training period in Canada of only of few days and that they have successfully completed an in ‘’flight’’ test by way of a simulator. In our opinion, this approach is contrary to the spirit of the Regulatory Impact statement Analysis (RISA) written by the experts at Transport Canada when they published in the Canada Gazette, precisely with regards to section 401.07 and 421.07 of the CARs:
While the issuance of the foreign licence validation certificate accepts the standards of training and operations within the original licensing country, these restrictions upon the duration and purposes of such a certificate minimize the potential exposure of Canadian operators and the Canadian licensing system to possibly less stringent standards.
We submit that very often, in Europe and elsewhere, pilots are hired not on the basis of their background and experience, but on the basis that they are willing to pay for their flight deck seat. A 250 hour pilot, fresh out of school, can give a large sum to an airline to buy not only a type rating, but a co-pilot seat on one of the company's aircraft, which guarantees a certain amount of flying time. In some instances, this pilot receives ridiculous wages during that time, but the total amount of salary earned by this first officer during his ‘’training’’ is often by far inferior to what he had to pay to this airline to occupy the position. This pilot is therefore not a company employee but a ‘’client’’. This practice exists in Europe notably with Travel Service, the Czechoslovakian company conducting flight for Sunwing. We have learned that new pilots with Travel Services must pay to be hired, and receives a salary of 660 Euros per month ($980 Canadian) during the first 18 months of employment, before going up to 1200 Euros per month ($1700 Canadian). This is clearly inferior to the earning of a Canadian first officer with Sunwing and is contrary to Employment and Social Development Canada (ESDC) regulations.

We have also learned that several young first officers who had come to work in Canada for Canjet over the last few years were also pilots who had paid for their own initial training on the B737NG.

It is therefore not in the public interest to import this type of pilots into Canada and to issue FLVCs to them in order to conduct commercial flights under Part VII in Canada.

Foreign license validation certificates and Part VII of the Canadian Aviation Regulations

It is published on the first paragraph of this Transport Canada webpage:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... e-1812.htm
A foreign pilot wishing to fly Canadian registered aircraft for remuneration or reward in Canada must be in possession of a valid Canadian Commercial Pilot Licence or Airline Transport Pilot Licence.
In paragraph 5.2 of a document entitled ‘’Staff Instruction (SI) No. 400-005 – Foreign licence Validation Certificate’’ (http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... 05-225.htm), which is used to guide Transport Canada staff on the issuance of FLVC, it is indicated:
5.2 Documents Required for a Commercial Application
A brief explanation why the holder of a Canadian flight crew licence cannot be used
In paragraph 5.2 of the document entitled ‘’Advisory Circular (AC) 400-003 – Foreign Licence Validation Certificate’’ ‘(http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... 03-122.htm), it is indicated:
5.2 Application for Commercial Flying:
In addition to the documents required when applying for a FLVC for recreational purposes in section 5.1 of this AC, the Air Operator must provide the following documents when applying for a FLVC for commercial purposes:
f. A brief explanation why the holder of a Canadian flight crew licence cannot be used.

An old publication from Transport Canada, TP2943F, Procedure Manual for the issuance of personnel licensing (PMIPL), now archived, also indicated the following:
Foreign licences shall not be validated for the purpose of providing commercial air service unless there is a demonstrable need and it can be shown that Canadian licensed personnel are neither available nor employable
Some regulations exist, in addition to CARs 421.07 of Part IV, that legislate pilots with foreign licences and these texts are necessarily found in part VII of the CARs, since the examples above specifically make reference to commercial flights.
For Sub-Part 705
705.106 (1) Subject to subsection (3), no air operator shall permit a person to act and no person shall act as the pilot-in-command, second-in-command or cruise relief pilot of an aircraft unless the person;
(a) holds the licence, ratings and endorsements required by Part IV
There is a standard that is consistent with section 705.106 of the CARs. It is section 725.106(6):
A foreign licensed pilot may be granted authority for training and checking only when a Canadian licensed pilot is not available.
During revenue flights foreign licensed pilots shall not replace Canadian licensed pilots. They can act as qualified pilot in replacement of a training pilot where the training pilot is authorized to occupy the jump seat for the purpose of crew pairing requirements (section 725.108) or transition line indoctrination (subsection 725.124(33)).
Part VII of the CARs and the Standards allow exceptions to article 705.106(1).
705.106 (3) An air operator may permit a person to act and a person may act as the pilot-in-command or second-in command of an aircraft where the person does not meet the requirements of subsection (1), if
(a) the aircraft is operated on a training, ferry or positioning flight; or
(b) the air operator
(i) is authorized to do so in its air operator certificate,
and
(ii) complies with the Commercial Air Service Standards.
705.106(6) states that if the pilot does not comply with 705.106(1) because in this case, the pilot has a foreign licence, he can still act as pilot if it is for ferry, training or positioning flight, and then only if the Operators Operating Certificate allows it and then one has to also comply with the Commercial Air Service Standards. The above exceptions listed in Sub-Part 705, that is training, ferry and positioning flights are also allowed under Part IV, in 421.07(2)(c), (d) and (e). But one also has to comply with the Standards.
725.106 Pilot Qualifications
(6) Use of a Person not Qualified in Accordance with the Canadian Aviation Regulations to Act as Pilot-in-Command or Second-in-Command (refers to subparagraph 705.106(3)(b)(ii) of the Canadian Aviation Regulations)
The title of 725.106(6) above refers to people who do not qualify with 705.106(1), for example Foreign licences pilots. 705.106(6) continues as follows:
Authority may be given for other than an air operator employee pilot to occupy a flight crew seat when training, conducting line indoctrination training, and while the first air operator flight crews are completing consolidation and crew pairing minimum flight time requirements on a new aeroplane type.
This sentence that refers to «non employees» refers, in another manner to people already mentioned in Sub-Part 705, meaning people who do not qualify under 705.106(1). Never could a foreign licensed pilot be considered an employee of a Canadian Airline Operated in Canada under Part VII. Paragraph 725.106(6) continues with:
The pilot shall:
(b) hold the appropriate licence, ratings and endorsements. Where the pilot holds a foreign pilot licence, the licence and (as applicable) the instrument rating shall be validated by Transport Canada - Civil Aviation.
The pilot may be authorized to conduct pilot checks provided the requirements of the Company Check Pilot Manual (TP6533) are met with the exception of the minimum employment time with the air operator.
A foreign licensed pilot may be granted authority for training and checking only when a Canadian licensed pilot is not available.
During revenue flights foreign licensed pilots shall not replace Canadian licensed pilots. They can act as qualified pilot in replacement of a training pilot where the training pilot is authorized to occupy the jump seat for the purpose of crew pairing requirements (section 725.108) or transition line indoctrination (subsection 725.124(33)).
It is stated here that where the pilot holds a foreign licence, the foreign licence must be validated by TC (under 401.07 and 421.07). The rest of the article states that foreign pilots can never replace Canadian pilots but further specifies that the training, as authorized by 705.106(3) and 421.07(2)(d), may include line checks, line indoctrination and crew pairing requirements (consolidation) when Canadian pilots are not available for those tasks. It's all clear, and was well thought out by those who wrote it.
So it is prohibited to allow foreign pilots to fly commercial aircraft under Part VII, except when a Canadian pilot is not available and in this case, an FLVC is issued in accordance with 421.07(2)(d):
d) for the holder to give type rating training on an aircraft registered in Canada to the registered owner, or to Canadian flight crew employed by the registered owner;
All of these paragraphs are to allow certain persons, who do not meet the requirements of the CARs and CASS, such as pilot from other airlines and even foreign pilots with foreign licences, to provide flight training in a Canadian airline operation when pilot from the said Canadian airline are not qualified or available to conduct such training.
Therefore, 705.106(1) indicates, among other things, that we must have a licence issued under Part IV of the CARs in order to qualify as a pilot under Sub Part VII. A licence validation is not a licence but a certificate.
Section 400.01 of part IV qualifies an FLVC as a ‘’document’’. A document is not a licence.
“foreign licence validation certificate” means a certificate issued by the Minister pursuant to subsection 401.07(1);
Section 400.01(2) of Part IV, makes a distinction between a permit, a licence, a rating and an FLVC. Since an FLVC is not a permit, a licence or a rating, it does not meet the requirements of section 705.106(1)(a).
400.01(2) Any reference in this Part to a permit, licence, rating or foreign licence validation certificate is a reference to a valid Canadian permit, licence, rating or foreign licence validation certificate.
The title of section 401.03 of the CARs makes a distinction between permits, licences, rating and foreign licence validation certificate.
Requirement to Hold a Flight Crew Permit, Licence or Rating or a Foreign Licence Validation Certificate.
In the body of Section 401.03(1) of the CARs, there is also a clear distinction between licences and FLVCs which are mentioned as part of sus-paragraph 1.1.
401.03 (1) Subject to subsection (2), no person shall act as a flight crew member or exercise the privileges of a flight crew permit, licence or rating unless
(a) the person holds the appropriate permit, licence or rating;
(b) the permit, licence or rating is valid;
(c) the person holds the appropriate medical certificate; and
(d) the person can produce the permit, licence or rating, and the certificate, when exercising those privileges.
(1.1) No person shall exercise the privileges of a foreign licence validation certificate unless the person
(a) holds the appropriate foreign licence validation certificate;
(b) has signed the certificate; and
(c) can produce the certificate when exercising those privileges.
705.106(3) specifies that a person who does not meet the requirements of subsection (1), may conduct training flights, ferry or positioning flight. Each of these reasons very well confirmed by a paragraph in Part IV, where paragraph 421.07(2) of the CARs, are listing all of the reason for which FLVCs can be issued. The training, ferry and a positioning flight are included indeed.

The laws and regulations and the question of ‘’nationality’’ for the pilot licence.

Transport Canada, in addition to aviation, also has a mandate to control and regulate maritime and rail transport.
To be an officer on a Canadian ship, you must be a Canadian our permanent resident according to the Canada Shipping Act, 2001. (http://lois-laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts ... ge-28.html), here is an excerpt:
Positions on board Canadian vessels
87. Every person who is employed on board a Canadian vessel in a position in respect of which a certificate is required under this Part shall hold the certificate and comply with its terms and conditions.
(Note: Canadian citizen and permanent resident)
88. (1) Only a Canadian citizen or a permanent resident within the meaning of subsection 2(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act may hold a certificate of competency that is issued under this Part.
To be a ship pilot (captain) on our Canadian waters, you must be a Canadian in accordance with the Pilotage Act of Canada. (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts ... age-7.html) which states that:
Issue of licence or pilotage certificate
22(2) No licence or pilotage certificate shall be issued to an applicant therefor unless the applicant is
(a) a Canadian citizen; or
(b) a permanent resident within the meaning of subsection 2(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act who has not been ordinarily resident in Canada for six years or who has been ordinarily resident in Canada for six years or more and is shown, to the satisfaction of the Authority, not to have become a Canadian citizen as a result of circumstances beyond the control of the applicant.
We have also learned that, as a result of the Lac Mégantic accident, to be an engineer (conductor) on a train in Canada, you must be Canadian citizen or permanent resident. There are no specific or precise texts that applies to railway legislation, but the railway industry’s position is based on the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act as well as the railway engineer’s union who assured us that the legislation is applied to the letter of the law. It was specifically to change from an American engineer to a Canadian engineer, or vice-versa, that trains were stopped in Lac Mégantic, because the law required it.

So weather by ship or by train, the crew members must be Canadian or permanent residents, and must be licensed or certified in Canada.

The same regulations exist also for aviation, as we have described above, but they are interpreted in a way that is now unenforceable. We wish that Transport Canada use the same approach that it uses for the railway and maritime domains.

The genesis of 421.07(2)(j)

We have spent many hours in establishing the genesis of the regulations from the CARs that apply to our work. We have made a series of Access to Information requests which has allowed us to discover some disconcerting facts.

Section 421.02(1)(b) which limited the duration of an FLVC to 90 days, was modified by the Canadian Aviation Regulatory Advisory Council (CARAC) in February 1997. This committee, along with NPA 97-094 had proposed that FLVCs increase from 90 days to a year.

Section 421.07(2)(j), as described below, was created on March 23, 1998, and has no previous version. It was suggested by CARAC in February 1997, with NPA 97-095. Since it was a modification to the Standards rather than the CARs, it was not required to publish the change in the Canada Gazette or to require a Regulatory Impact Statement Analysis (RISA)

The document in TP2943E Procedure Manual for the issuance of personnel licensing (PMIPL), which was used as justification form NPA 97-094 and NPA 97-095 no longer exist. It was eliminated around 2006 or 2007. You can however consult the document from this website:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vepcub81nrth ... l.pdf?dl=0

Here is an extract:
Chapter 12 – 2 Validation Criteria
Foreign licences shall not be validated for the purpose of providing commercial air service unless there is a demonstrable need and it can be shown that Canadian licensed personnel are neither available nor employable
This manual in fact, corroborates all the points listed with CARs 725.106(6) which states that:
A foreign licensed pilot may be granted authority for training and checking only when a Canadian licensed pilot is not available.
During revenue flights foreign licensed pilots shall not replace Canadian licensed pilots. They can act as qualified pilot in replacement of a training pilot where the training pilot is authorized to occupy the jump seat for the purpose of crew pairing requirements (section 725.108) or transition line indoctrination (subsection 725.124(33)).
And it also matches on all points with CARs 421.07(2)(d)
(2) Purposes For Which Foreign Licence Validation Certificates May Be Issued
(d) for the holder to give type rating training on an aircraft registered in Canada to the registered owner, or to Canadian flight crew employed by the registered owner;
We have also noticed that the first English version of 421.07(2) (j) contained the restriction ‘’only exceptional circumstances’’ which later disappeared from the English version of the CARs without any explanation in the working file of NPA 97-095 that we have in our possession.
for reason other than the circumstances mentioned above where application for validation purports to be in the public interest or is made for economic reasons, it will be approved only in exceptional circumstances and after consideration by the Minister. Such Validations require the approval of the Director, General Aviation headquarters.
At the time of publication on the CARs, the phrase ‘’only in exceptional circumstances’’ had disappeared from the English version, and we were unable to find the least justification or reason in our working file NPA 97-095. However, this restriction has remained, as is, in the French version. It is therefore enforceable today.

Conclusion

The Minister has taken, in 1997, the decision to allow certain foreign pilots who were provided with FLVCs to work as flight crew members of Canadian aircraft for the purpose to allow reciprocity and the exchange of pilots with Canada and Europe. At that time, it would appear that a company, SkyService, would have been the first to benefit from the opportunity when clause (b) of 421.07(1) had just been modified to allow FLVCs for a period of one year while clause (j) of 421.07(2) had just been invented.
Even if it was desirable to promote an equal reciprocity between Canada and other countries in order to allow full time employment in Canada as well as other in countries with which our airlines were operating in reciprocity, it would seem that the privilege that Transport Canada wanted to allow to European pilots in Canada was not often granted to Canadian pilots in Europe.
Ever since the start of reciprocity program, around 1998, the Canadian companies would send Canadian aircraft to Europe under Wet-Lease, and would receive, in exchange, European pilots who were authorized by TC to fly Canadian aircraft with FLVCs. It was only between 2006 and 2011, that certain European countries allowed a small number of Canadian pilots to fly European aircraft with their Canadian licenses. Since 2012, with the implementation of the new pan-European rules, it is no longer allowed by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). The Federal Aviation Admiration (FAA) in the United States does not allow aircraft operated under Part 135(Air Taxi) or 141 (Airline operations) to do so with foreign licenses. The EASA does not allow it, the FAA does not allow it. We submit that it is not allowed because it is not in the public interest to do so.
Several positives changes have been implement to the Canadian regulatory system.
• We have worked with Immigration Canada in order to explain that what Sunwing was doing was not a real reciprocity since Sunwing pilots who were going to Europe were not going to work for European companies, as Canada Immigration were lead to believe, but to fly Sunwing aircraft operating under the Sunwing certificate.
• During the last few years, Europe has tightened the rules and now even demands European licenses to Canadian companies wishing to operate Wet-Lease in Europe. Partly for this reason, Immigration Canada has recently determined that Sunwing was not conducting real reciprocity and has stopped the issue of work permits to these foreign pilots.
• Employment and social development Canada (ESDC) has also changed their policy so that Canadian companies can no longer demand a type endorsement as condition of employment. When Sunwing and Canjet required Boeing 737 type rating for their applicants as condition of employment, it was only to disqualify Canadians and favor foreign pilots.
• The Minister of Transport and the Canadian Transportation Agency have recently ruled that an airline could only contract, as foreign Wet-Lease, no more that 20% of their fleet at the time of the request, which limits the number of aircraft and foreign pilots a Canadian airline may employ, which was not the case in the past.
All these developments are welcome. We wish that Transport Canada also cease to allow commercial flight operations with FLVCs.

Sunwing will be requesting between now and the end of October, up to 120 FLVCs for foreign pilots for the 2014-2015 season, based on Labour Market Impact Assessment (LMIA) already obtained from (ESDC) under the old policy ( which is now modified). We wish that Transport Canada refuse to issue these FLVCs.

Transport Canada has published in the Canada Gazette that it was not in the public interest to allow foreign pilots to fly Canadian aircraft with FLVCs, except for the reasons and duration listed in section 421.07 of the CARs. It is not in the public interest to allow foreign pilots with FLVCs to fly commercial aircraft in Canada. These examples allow to clarify our statements.
• In 2003, an Airbus 320 from SkyService left the runway while taxiing at night without runway lights since the British first officer, with an FLVC, did not know how to turn on the runway lights, nor how to obtain a clearance from Flight Services, nor how to make mandatory call in a Mandatory Frequency (MF) zone. The Canadian captain was overworked while attempting to assist, and in doing so, left the runway. There was no injuries or deaths, but this incident was the subject of a Transport Safety Board (TSB) report.
• In 2010, in 2013 and again in 2014, three Sunwing aircraft, all flown with foreign flight crews, took off from Val d’Or, at night, without knowing how to turn on the runway lights.
• Last winter, a Canadian airline pilot was a passenger on a ‘’Canadian’’ aircraft flown by foreign pilots. South of Miami, the aircraft conducted an emergency descent from 33,000 feet to 10,000 feet due to a pressurization problem. The captain made no announcements to the crew, and in-flight services continued until they leveled at 10,000 feet. It was the Canadian pilot, who was a passenger, that warned the flight attendants that something abnormal was taking place. Upon leveling at 10,000 feet, west of Miami, the foreign captain made an announcement saying that due to a pressurization problem, the flight would continue to Toronto at 10,000 feet. The Canadian pilot who was a passenger, knew, contrary to the pilot in command, that the B737 did not have enough fuel to go from Miami to Toronto at 10,000 feet. The aircraft still remained at 10,000 feet up to around Jacksonville before the pilots understood that what they were attempting was not possible and decided to finally turn around to land in Orlando.
• During our discussion on this subject, we have learned that foreign pilots could do overtime in Europe during the summer, and thereafter in Canada during the winter, and in the process exceed the maximum 900 hours allowed on an European license, in addition to even exceed the 1200 hours a year allowed by Transport Canada, but that the two regulators were not aware of the flight hours conducted in each jurisdiction.

We request that Transport Canada modify its policy and interpretations of FLVC procedure in order to ensure public interest and in order to allow and harmonious interpretation of Canadian regulations.
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Great job Gilles. An excellent piece of work. :smt038
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I have a poll going for those who take the time to read all this to say if they agree with TC that they are allowed to issue FLVCs to Foreign pilots under Part VII or not.
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Based on my experience, the original intent of issuing FLVCs under part 7 was strictly limited to assisting with the introduction of new aircraft types to Canadian operators IF there were no current type rated pilots available in Canada and for highly specialized one-of a kind situations.

Provision was made for Canadian crews to receive initial type rating training, checking, and line indoc ONLY and the usual period of validity was 90 days, (or less) and then the FLVC expired and could not be renewed more than once per year unless a strong written case could be made for a longer period or a second FLVC based on Ministerial Exemption (mechanical, import, or late aircraft introduction issues for example.)

There was also the exceptionally rare situation where a specific highly specialized aircraft type and crew was allowed to operate in Canada when there was no similar capability in the Canadian fleet. The FLVC was then sometimes issued for a 120 day period, or shorter period if the work was completed sooner (heavy lift helicopter types, survey aircraft with special sensor packages, rare airshow act performers, aircraft sales demo flights, etc)

In each area of 700 operations, the progress of the type of work done under the FLVC was monitored and the type of flying had to be "in the public interest" of Canadians.

Somewhere along the way, I would guess one of the TC offices issued some Section 700 FLVCs in error, and once the horse escaped the barn and a good-sized herd followed thereafter, it was too late to cease issuing certificates because a precedent had been set, and thus became the norm via regulatory interpretation rather than actual legislative revision.

The team advising Gilles seem to have their ducks in a row in the explanation, and on a cursory read, have each set of evidence linked to a previous one to build an unbroken chain of events.

Well done!

Now comes the toughest fight of all ..... getting TC Sr Management to admit an error was made ..... especially when there is the perception at HQ that "We can do whatever we want, and let them sue us in Federal Court if they think they have a case."
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single_swine_herder wrote:Now comes the toughest fight of all ..... getting TC Sr Management to admit an error was made ..... especially when there is the perception at HQ that "We can do whatever we want, and let them sue us in Federal Court if they think they have a case."
You can only piss off the people so much until they uproar and it seams its on the horizon. Aviation isn't the only industry with Canadian getting the shorted from foreign workers. It's a real insult to the integrity of Canadian skilled workers the way the misuse of foreign workers have been utilized.
It warms my heart to see someone with the ability to bring all this information together.
This is something I am willing to stand behind.

Gillies,
What can I do to act and show support on your side?
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B-rad wrote:
Gillies,
What can I do to act and show support on your side?
Deleted. I fell for a troll.
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I'm going to stay up all night tonight watching/studying House of Cards, I'll get back to you on what I find out.
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What happened to page 2?

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There was never a page 2 on this thread. There are multiple threads discussing this topic with slight variations in the scope. I believe the thread you may be looking for is the Poll thread. Check the "view your posts" link on the top right and you should be able to find the thread with both pages.

Also Gilles,
I was not trolling you but gave a sarcastic response because your reply to me was pretty weak and open-ended. You basically threw the question right back at me by asking how you can change the minds of politicians. Not quite what I was expecting as direction after offering to take a show of support. Hence the House of Cards response as it is just as helpful as the direction you offered.
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Gino Under wrote:Mr. Moderator

What happened to page 2?

Gino :shock:
The poll thread was deleted. I have no idea why.
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This is one of my posts from that other deleted thread:

It is false that one can read and interpret 421.07(2)(j) in a vacuum and in a manner that allows the Minister to use it to issue as many FLVCs for any reason whatsoever, as Transport Canada has been doing recently. If one could read and apply individual regulations in such a manner, the whole Civil Aviation system would fall apart and there would be chaos. The regulations must be interpreted within their context and the spirit of a regulation must also be respected.

To begin with, there are 4 clauses located in each of the Part VII sub chapters that all state the same thing: to act as pilot under this part, one needs a LICENCE ISSUED UNDER PART IV OF THESE REGULATIONS.

702.65 for Air Work, 703.88 for Air Taxi, 704.108 for Commuters and 705.106 for Airlines.

Here is 705.106 as an example:
705.106 (1) Subject to subsection (3), no air operator shall permit a person to act and no person shall act as the pilot-in-command, second-in-command or cruise relief pilot of an aircraft unless the person;
(a) holds the licence, ratings and endorsements required by Part IV

What does this mean ? To understand it, we must go to this chapter of the CARs:
PART IV — PERSONNEL LICENSING AND TRAINING
DIVISION I — GENERAL
Interpretation

There we find three mentions of FLVCs.
400.01 (1)
In this Part, “foreign licence validation certificate” means a certificate issued by the Minister pursuant to subsection 401.07(1);

This article has just defined that the FLVC is not a «licence, rating or endorsement» but a «certificate». It is thus not what is required by articles 702.65, 703.88, 704.108 and 705.106 of Part VII.
400.01 (2) Any reference in this Part to a permit, licence, rating or foreign licence validation certificate is a reference to a valid Canadian permit, licence, rating or foreign licence validation certificate.
This means that any time the Part mentions a permit, licence, rating or an FLVC, it is a reference to a valid Canadian permit, licence, rating or an FLVC.

So when articles 702.65, 703.88, 704.108 and 705.106 mention «licence», it is a reference to a valid Canadian licence, not a foreign one.
Requirement to Hold a Flight Crew Permit, Licence or Rating or a Foreign Licence Validation Certificate
401.03 (1) Subject to subsection (2), no person shall
act as a flight crew member or exercise the privileges of
a flight crew permit, licence or rating unless
(a) the person holds the appropriate permit, licence or
rating;
(b) the permit, licence or rating is valid;
(c) the person holds the appropriate medical certificate;
and
(d) the person can produce the permit, licence or rating, and the certificate, when exercising those privileges.

(1.1) No person shall exercise the privileges of a foreign
licence validation certificate unless the person
(a) holds the appropriate foreign licence validation
certificate;
(b) has signed the certificate; and
(c) can produce the certificate when exercising those
privileges.
401.03 above makes a clear distinction between a permit, licence rating and medical certificates which are listed in 401.03(1) and the FLVC which is listed in 401.03(1.1). They are thus not one and the same. The present position of Transport Canada is that an FLVC is the equivalent of a Canadian Licence as required by articles 702.65, 703.88, 704.108 and 705.106.

This position is not supported by the CARs.

Part VII of the CARs and the Standards allow exceptions to articles 702.65(1), 703.88(1), 704.108(1) and 705.106(1).

To take sub Part 705 as an example, the exception is listed here:
705.106 (3) An air operator may permit a person to act and a person may act as the pilot-in-command or second-in command of an aircraft where the person does not meet the requirements of subsection (1), if
(a) the aircraft is operated on a training, ferry or positioning flight; or
(b) the air operator
(i) is authorized to do so in its air operator certificate,
and
(ii) complies with the Commercial Air Service Standards.

This says that if the pilot does not comply with 705.106(1) because in this case, the pilot has a foreign licence, he can still act as pilot if it is for ferry, training or positioning flight, and then only if the Operators Operating Certificate allows it and then one has to also comply with the Commercial Air Service Standards.

You will notice that the exceptions that are listed here in Sub-Part 705, that is training, ferry and positioning flights are also allowed under Part IV, in 421.07(2)(c), (d) and (e). Wild coincidence ? No. It was written that way by people who had thought it out thoroughly.

Transport Canada does issue Ops Specs for this article and here an example of this very Ops Spec that I found on the Web:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105 ... S-SPEC.png

Then what does the Commercial Air Standards, that we also have to comply with, have to add ? They are here:
725.106 Pilot Qualifications
(6) Use of a Person not Qualified in Accordance with the Canadian Aviation Regulations to Act as Pilot-in-Command or Second-in-Command (refers to subparagraph 705.106(3)(b)(ii) of the Canadian Aviation Regulations)

The title here refers to people who do not qualify with 705.106(1), for example Foreign licences pilots.
Authority may be given for other than an air operator employee pilot to occupy a flight crew seat when training, conducting line indoctrination training, and while the first air operator flight crews are completing consolidation and crew pairing minimum flight time requirements on a new aeroplane type.
This sentence that refers to «non employees» refers, in another manner to people already mentioned in Sub-Part 705, people who do not qualify under 705.106(1) who can only be non employees. Never could a foreign licensed pilot be an employee of a Canadian Airline Operated in Canada under Part VII. To claim otherwise is preposterous.
The pilot shall:

(b) hold the appropriate licence, ratings and endorsements. Where the pilot holds a foreign pilot licence, the licence and (as applicable) the instrument rating shall be validated by Transport Canada - Civil Aviation.

The pilot may be authorized to conduct pilot checks provided the requirements of the Company Check Pilot Manual (TP6533) are met with the exception of the minimum employment time with the air operator.

A foreign licensed pilot may be granted authority for training and checking only when a Canadian licensed pilot is not available.

During revenue flights foreign licensed pilots shall not replace Canadian licensed pilots. They can act as qualified pilot in replacement of a training pilot where the training pilot is authorized to occupy the jump seat for the purpose of crew pairing requirements (section 725.108) or transition line indoctrination (subsection 725.124(33)).
Here is states that where the pilot holds a foreign licence, the foreign licence must be validated by TC (under 401.07 and 421.07 of course)

The rest of the document states that foreign pilots can never replace Canadian pilots by further specifies that the training, as authorized by 421.07(2)(d), may include line checks, line indoctrination and crew pairing requirements (consolidation) when Canadian pilots are not available for those tasks.

Its all clear, and was well though out by those who wrote it.

Not back to the SPIRIT of the law, that we wrote about earlier:

When a Regulation of the CAR is created or modified a Notice of Proposed Amendment (NPA) is drafted by the appropriate functional area for presentation and discussion at a meeting of one of the Canadian Aviation Regulation Advisory Council (CARAC) standing Technical Committees, which is attended by industry stakeholders and Civil Aviation. The Transport Canada Regulatory Affairs Division prepares a triage questionnaire that will determine the scope of the Regulatory Impact Analysis Statement (RIAS), which must accompany new regulation to Canada Gazette, Part I. Article 401.07 Foreign licence validation was modified twice since 1996 and both times a RIAS was published in the Canada Gazette with regards to 401.07 which clearly and without ambiguity stated its purpose and spirit.

Canada Gazette, Vol 133, No 49, December 4 1999
CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences)
This amendment will add the prohibition that the applicant may not permanently reside in Canada. The change will emphasize the transitory nature of the foreign licence validation certificate. Personnel Licensing and Training Standard 421.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) limits the maximum duration for which such a certificate may be valid to one year from the date of issue. This standard also sets forth the list of purposes for which such a certificate may be issued. While the issuance of the foreign licence validation certificate accepts the standards of training and operations within the original licensing country, these restrictions upon the duration and purposes of such a certificate minimize the exposure of Canadian operators and the Canadian licensing system to potentially less stringent standards.
CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences)

The proposed amendment to CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) will prohibit a permanent resident of Canada from applying for a foreign licence validation certificate. This restriction will support the limited duration and use to which such a certificate can be put. The protection of the safety of the Canadian aviation system from the effect of possibly less rigorous standards applied in pilot licensing elsewhere, which could dilute the worth of a Canadian document if foreign licences were validated in Canada without limit or restriction, will be maintained. No significant benefit-cost consequences are expected from this proposed amendment.

Then again, Canada Gazette vol. 135, No 4 – February 14, 2001
CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences)
The amendment to CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) prevents an applicant for a foreign licence validation certificate from being a permanent resident of Canada. Under existing regulations, the holder of a foreign flight crew licence issued by a contracting state, other than Canada, must satisfy only the applicable requirements in the Canadian personnel licensing standards upon applying for a foreign licence validation certificate. This amendment adds the prohibition that the applicant may not permanently reside in Canada. The change emphasizes the transitory nature of the foreign licence validation certificate. Personnel Licensing and Training Standard 421.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) limits the maximum duration for which such a certificate may be valid to one year from the date of issue. This Standard also sets forth the list of purposes for which such a certificate may be issued. While the issuance of the foreign licence validation certificate accepts the standards of training and operations within the original licensing country, these restrictions upon the duration and purposes of such a certificate minimize the potential exposure of Canadian operators and the Canadian licensing system to possibly less stringent standards.

CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences)

The amendment to CAR 401.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) prohibits a permanent resident of Canada from applying for a foreign licence validation certificate. This restriction supports the limited duration and use to which such a certificate can be put. The protection of the safety of the Canadian aviation system from the effect of possibly less rigorous standards applied in pilot licensing elsewhere, which could dilute the worth of a Canadian document if foreign licences were validated in Canada without limit or restriction, will be maintained. No significant benefit cost consequences are expected from this amendment.
Is there any doubt that the Regulators who wrote and modified the regulations meant for the FLVCs to be limited in purpose in duration and use to protect the Canadian flying public from lesser standards used in other countries and in order not to dilute the worth of Canada licences ?

Finally, the purposes listed in 421.07(2) (a) to (i) are restrictive and limited.
Regulation 421.07(2)(j) was only created to allow the Minister to issue FLVC in exceptional cases where it was not allowed in CARS 421.07 (a) to (i) and where the Ministered though it was in the Public Interest to do so without having to resort to the Ministerial exemption process.

In fact the original version of 421.07(2)(j) when it was proposed by the regulators in 1997 was as follows:
for reason other than the circumstances mentioned above where application for validation purports to be in the public interest or is made for economic reasons, it will be approved only in exceptional circumstances and after consideration by the Minister. Such Validations require the approval of the Director, General Aviation headquarters.

The CARAC committee in NPA 97-095 modified the original draft if the clause and reworded it but for a reason that is not explained or justified in the CARAC NPA 97-095 documentation we have at our disposal, the "exceptional circumstances" condition was removed from the English version but remained unchanged in the French version, when it still exists today. Because all other edits to this original English version of 421.07(2)(j) were explained and justified in NPA 97-095 and the removal of «only in exceptional circumstances» was not explained or justified, and because this condition remained unchanged in the French version of the CAR, the condition is applicable today.

These past 4 years, the vast majority of FLVCs issued by TC were issued under 421.07(2)(j).

So when one looks at the restrictive nature of the purposes for which the FLVCs can be issued under 421.07, when one reads the RIAS published by Transport Canada Regulatory Affairs office in the in the Canada Gazette concerning 401.07, and when one reads in the CARs that 421.07(2)9j) can only be used when in the Public Interest and only in exceptional cases, how can Transport Canada justify that for the last 4 years, the vast MAJORITY of FLVCs issued in Canada were issued under 421.07(2)(j), to allow Foreign Licenced pilot do do line flying in Canada in Canada for Canadian Airlines flying Canadian Registered aircraft in Canada under Canadian Operating Certificates and under Sub-Part 705 of the CARs ?

The spirit of the law does not allow it. The RIAS for 401.07 does not allow it. Part IV of the CARs does not allow it. Part VII of the CARs does not allow it. It is not in the Public Interest to allow it.

How can any reasonable person think otherwise ?
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This is also a post from that deleted poll thread:

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Let me explain Gino. I know these Regs off the back of my head now.

Let me begin with two statements,.
First The Minister is expected to apply not only the letter but the spirit of the Law.
Second, we checked with several lawyers who confirmed to us that in Canada when the English and French versions of a Law or Regulation are not the exact translation of each other, BOTH APPLY and have rule of law, unless they are in contradiction with each other.

421.07(2)(a) to (j) list ten purposes for which FLVCs can be issued. Those purposes are very specific and restrictive: ferry, training, etc. Take (g) for example:
(g) for operation of Canadian aircraft on Canadian commercial air services in urgent circumstances; such as fire suppression operations, emergency agricultural and forestry aerial application, airlift in relief of domestic natural disasters, and search and rescue operations;
It allows Foreign pilots to be used in commercial operations but only in urgent circumstances, such as relief efforts and natural disasters.

Does the Minister respect the Spirit of the Law, when he disregards the very restrictive nature of 421.07 and uses clause (j) to issue hundreds of FLVC every year for commercial operations that are not at all of an urgent nature ? He does not.

Second, according to Canadian law, when a Regulations is created or modified, this new Regulation must be published in the Canada Gazette where a document called the Regulatory Impact Analysis Statement (RIAS), must be published which must explain the impact and the reason behind the new Regulation. They explain the reason behind the new Regulation. This document sets the Spirit of the Law and the new text set the Letter of the Law. Here is what was published in the Canada Gazette concerning 401.07 Foreign Licence Validation Certificates:
This standard (421.07) also sets forth the list of purposes for which such a certificate may be issued. While the issuance of the foreign licence validation certificate accepts the standards of training and operations within the original licensing country, these restrictions upon the duration and purposes of such a certificate minimize the exposure of Canadian operators and the Canadian licensing system to potentially less stringent standards.
The protection of the safety of the Canadian aviation system from the effect of possibly less rigorous standards applied in pilot licensing elsewhere, which could dilute the worth of a Canadian document if foreign licences were validated in Canada without limit or restriction, will be maintained.
The change emphasizes the transitory nature of the foreign licence validation certificate. Personnel Licensing and Training Standard 421.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) limits the maximum duration for which such a certificate may be valid to one year from the date of issue. This Standard also sets forth the list of purposes for which such a certificate may be issued. While the issuance of the foreign licence validation certificate accepts the standards of training and operations within the original licensing country, these restrictions upon the duration and purposes of such a certificate minimize the potential exposure of Canadian operators and the Canadian licensing system to possibly less stringent standards.
These RIAS clearly state that the restrictions in time and allowed purpose imposed on the issuance of FLVCs are to protect the Canada public from possible less stringent standards applied in other countries and that the FLVC must always be of transitory nature.

Now lets look at the Regulation itself:
(j) for reasons other than those mentioned above where approval may be given if, in the opinion of the Minister, it is in the public interest and not likely to affect aviation safety.
and in the French version
Quote:
(g) for operation of Canadian aircraft on Canadian commercial air services in urgent circumstances; such as fire suppression operations, emergency agricultural and forestry aerial application, airlift in relief of domestic natural disasters, and search and rescue operations;


It allows Foreign pilots to be used in commercial operations but only in urgent circumstances, such as relief efforts and natural disasters.

Does the Minister respect the Spirit of the Law, when he disregards the very restrictive nature of 421.07 and uses clause (j) to issue hundreds of FLVC every year for commercial operations that are not at all of an urgent nature ? He does not.

Second, according to Canadian law, when a Regulations is created or modified, this new Regulation must be published in the Canada Gazette where a document called the Regulatory Impact Analysis Statement (RIAS), must be published which must explain the impact and the reason behind the new Regulation. They explain the reason behind the new Regulation. This document sets the Spirit of the Law and the new text set the Letter of the Law. Here is what was published in the Canada Gazette concerning 401.07 Foreign Licence Validation Certificates:

Quote:
This standard (421.07) also sets forth the list of purposes for which such a certificate may be issued. While the issuance of the foreign licence validation certificate accepts the standards of training and operations within the original licensing country, these restrictions upon the duration and purposes of such a certificate minimize the exposure of Canadian operators and the Canadian licensing system to potentially less stringent standards.


Quote:
The protection of the safety of the Canadian aviation system from the effect of possibly less rigorous standards applied in pilot licensing elsewhere, which could dilute the worth of a Canadian document if foreign licences were validated in Canada without limit or restriction, will be maintained.


Quote:
The change emphasizes the transitory nature of the foreign licence validation certificate. Personnel Licensing and Training Standard 421.07 (Validation of Foreign Licences) limits the maximum duration for which such a certificate may be valid to one year from the date of issue. This Standard also sets forth the list of purposes for which such a certificate may be issued. While the issuance of the foreign licence validation certificate accepts the standards of training and operations within the original licensing country, these restrictions upon the duration and purposes of such a certificate minimize the potential exposure of Canadian operators and the Canadian licensing system to possibly less stringent standards.


These RIAS clearly state that the restrictions in time and allowed purpose imposed on the issuance of FLVCs are to protect the Canada public from possible less stringent standards applied in other countries and that the FLVC must always be of transitory nature.

Now lets look at the Regulation itself:

Quote:
(j) for reasons other than those mentioned above where approval may be given if, in the opinion of the Minister, it is in the public interest and not likely to affect aviation safety.


and in the French version

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j) lorsqu'une demande a la prétention de servir l'intérêt public canadien pour des raisons non pas visées par les circonstances pressantes énumérées ci-dessus, le ministre peut accorder une approbation dans les cas exceptionnels.
They are not identical and do not contradict each other so BOTH apply. When can the Minister use this clause:

1) If it is in the Public Interest
2) If it is not likely to affect aviation Safety
3) Only in exceptional cases (written in the French version)

So based on your reading of the RIAS, is it in the public interest to allow every year hundreds of foreign licenced pilots fly Canadian aircraft in Canada under Part VII ? Remember that for Transport Canada, when one talks about public interest one looks primarily at aviation safety.
It is not likely to affect aviation Safety to allow hundreds of foreign licenced pilots fly Canadian registered aircraft in Canada under Part VII ?
These past four years, THE MAJORITY of FLVCs issued by the Ministers were issued according to clause (j). Were those exceptional cases ?

When the majority of FLVCs issued by the Minister were issued according to clause (j), can one state that the Minister respected the Spirit of the Law which invoked the transitory nature of FLVCs ? Some Foreign licenced pilots have been in continuous possession of a Canadian FLVC for several consecutive years now.

Finally I researched why the English and French versions of the Regulation were not identical. Here is what the original clause (j) looked like when it was proposed in NPA 97-095:
for reason other than the circumstances mentioned above where application for validation purports to be in the public interest or is made for economic reasons, it will be approved only in exceptional circumstances and after consideration by the Minister. Such Validations require the approval of the Director, General Aviation headquarters.
You see that the «only in exceptional circumstances was also there in the English version. I ordered the whole NPA 97-095 CARAC file through an access to information request. Every modification made to clause (j) from the original draft to the version that was eventually adopted is documented and explained. There is not mention of why the only in exceptional circumstances was removed. And this is probably why it remained in the French version. It's removal was an accident and the intent was to have that condition in both languages.

The reason article (j) was introduced in 1998, was to allow the Minister to sometimes issue FLVCs in exceptional cases that were not allowed by clauses (a) to (i). Cases like single_swine_herder explained here:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=99311#p900318

Never was clause (j) intended to be used to bypass the restrictions of clauses (a) to (i) and use it to issue hundreds of FLVCs to hundreds of Foreign pilots every year instead of requiring, as it should, that Commercial pilots in Canada fly Canadian commercial Aircraft with a Canadian Commercial or Airline licence.

Europe does not allow flying European aircraft with a foreign licence. The USA does not allow flying US aircraft with a foreign licence. Why should Canada be the exception ?
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Re: FLVCs for flying under Part VII of the CARs in Canada

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This is also one of my posts from that Deleted Poll thread:

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Gino Under wrote:If the public want more seats at cheaper prices, then the minister must act when pressured by a rapidly expanding Canadian airline that presents a case that it faces a pilot shortage which requires that it hire foreign pilots on a temporary basis needing LVCs for them to be able to provide that transport the public is demanding.
He´s the Transport minister, not the Labour minister. He serves both persons and companies engaged in public transport. How he gets around the regulations must be a matter of interpretation and I suspect that´s been left to a civil servant´s interpretation rather than the minister himself. I´m as miffed as you are. Believe me.
The Labour minister has to ponder the question as to whether or not these foreign pilots are needed. That´s where Canadian pilots need the fire power. We have to convince (although we shouldn´t have to) the Labour minister. If the Labour minister says no to temporary foreign pilots then LVCs are a moot point.
The regs say no FLVCs for Commercial Ops in Canada. If the Minister wants to do it anyway, he must not do it by violating our Regulations but by providing a Ministerial exemption. In fact, before they invented clause (j) in 1998, that is exactly how foreign pilots were permitted to fly commercially in Canada when it was required. The problem is the Minister can't just hand Ministerial Exception left ad Right as he pleases. There is a published process for the Minister of Transport to provide Ministerial Exceptions. And its here:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/o ... 04-250.htm
Gino Under wrote:I know you´re absolutely right about this issue, but be careful how YOU interpet public interest and safety.
In case you missed it in my document, I didn't interpret Public Interest. I quoted Transport Canada's own interpretation of Public Interest. I got it from here:

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/ ... #appendixe
APPENDIX E – FACTORS TO CONSIDER WHEN INTERPRETATING “PUBLIC INTEREST” UNDER SUBSECTION 5.9(2) OF THE AERONAUTICS ACT
My chapter on Public Interest was Cut-and-Paste from that document. In a nutshell, for Transport Canada, Public Interest is first and foremost public safety. Not cheap tickets.

As for the safety aspects, I quoted CADORS where three times, Sunwing Aircraft flown by Foreign Crews took off at night from an un-controlled airport without runway lights, because the foreign crews did not know how to use an ARCAL. This is just a sample.
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Re: FLVCs for flying under Part VII of the CARs in Canada

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This is also from that deleted thread:
paddy wrote:Hi Gilles,

I'm a little confused. 705.106 does mention the need for a licence but the part that mentions it states it is subject to section 3.


(3) An air operator may permit a person to act and a person may act as the pilot-in-command or second-in-command of an aircraft where the person does not meet the requirements of subsection (1), if
(a) the aircraft is operated on a training, ferry or positioning flight; OR
(b) the air operator
(i) is authorized to do so in its air operator certificate, and
(ii) complies with the Commercial Air Service Standards.

So a person can act as pic or sic without the requirements of section 1 if it is either 1) a training, ferry or positioning flight OR 2) the air operator is authorized in its AOC and complies with the CASS.

Am I reading that correctly? If so then the argument you make that the certificate is not a licence is moot as far as I can see.


I fail to understand how you made the transition from your reasoning to your conclusion. I'm still in the blind as to what you do not understand but will attempt to explain it in a different way. Get back to me if this does not clear it up for you.
705.106 (1)(a) says you need a Canadian Licence.
The rest of 705.106 (1) has other requirements.

705.106(3) states that should a pilot not meet any of the requirements of 705.106 (1), he can still ferry or position the aircraft, or give training. In such a case, if the reason one does not meet the requirement is the lack of a Canadian licence (705.106(1)(a)), then one can obtain a FLVC according to those purposes of 421.07 (2) that allows training, ferry and positioning.

What 705.106 (3)(b)(i) and (ii) explain is that if the Operator has the appropriate Ops Spec (I posted an example of that Ops Spec here on AvCanada) he can comply with the relevant Standard instead of 705.106 (3)(a).

That Standard is 725.106 (6). And what does it say ? It allows the Operator to expand the kind of training that the person who does not meet 705.106 (1) can do. In addition to just training, It allows that person do line checks and even consolidations flights. It further specifies that in the case of foreign licensed pilots, this authorization to do line and consolidation checks is only allowed if a case can be made that no canadian pilots are available. It further states that never can a foreign licensed pilot replace a canadian pilot on regular non training flights. These foreign pilots must still obtain a FLVC for the purpose of training according to 421.07 (2).

Clear ? I fail to see where you read that a certificate is a licence.
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Re: FLVCs for flying under Part VII of the CARs in Canada

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Again from that deleted thread :
paddy wrote:(3) An air operator may permit a person to act and a person may act as the pilot-in-command or second-in-command of an aircraft where the person does not meet the requirements of subsection (1), if
(a) the aircraft is operated on a training, ferry or positioning flight; OR
(b) the air operator
(i) is authorized to do so in its air operator certificate, and
(ii) complies with the Commercial Air Service Standards.

So a person can act as pic or sic without the requirements of section 1 if it is either 1) a training, ferry or positioning flight OR 2) the air operator is authorized in its AOC and complies with the CASS.

Am I reading that correctly? If so then the argument you make that the certificate is not a licence is moot as far as I can see.


An example may illustrate it better. I am an Air Transat A-330 pilot and I fulfill all requirements of 705.106(1) for Air Transat. Air Canada wants me to ferry one of their Airbus 330s to Europe for maintenance. I do not meet 705.106(1) for Air Canada because I do not meet 705.106(1)(e) "has fulfilled the requirements of the air operator’s training program."

But I can still do the ferry flight according to 705.106(3)(a).

If Air Transat needed pilots to train, give line check and do consolidation flights on our B-737, if we had the Ops Spec specified in 705.106(3)(b)(i) and complied with 725.106(6) we could allow Canjet pilots to give training and line checks at Air Transat instead of our own company check pilots.

We could also allow those who did not meet 705.106(1)(a), meaning those who did not have a Canadian licence, if all the conditions of 705.106(3) and 725.106(6), as required, were met.
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