Commuter plane crash in Winnipeg?

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Post by bschalme » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:30 pm

Our local CTV affiliate here in Winnipeg, CKY, announced on today's 6:00 news the name of the pilot who was killed in this crash.
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Post by 123.50 » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:33 pm

My apologies for the faux pas... Rest in Peace God's child!
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Post by ... » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:48 pm

I found this...not too sure if the contents of the cargo is true.

Plane Carrying Viruses Crashes in Canada
Oct 06 6:57 PM US/Eastern

WINNIPEG, Manitoba

A cargo plane carrying small amounts of flu virus crashed on railway tracks near Winnipeg's city center Thursday, killing the pilot but missing buildings and vehicles, authorities said.

The research samples of frozen influenza and herpes viruses were destroyed in the crash and ensuing fire along with other freight, Federal Express spokeswoman Karen Cooper said.

She said the Cessna 208 was owned by Morningstar Air Express of Edmonton and was under contract to FedEx.

Morningstar spokesman Don Boettcher didn't immediately identify the woman piloting the aircraft. "She'd been with us for about five years," he said, without providing further details.

The plane took off from the Winnipeg airport en route to Thunder Bay, Ontario, at about 5:45 a.m. and traveled about four miles southeast of the airport before it requested a return, Transportation Safety Board investigator David Ross said.

"The aircraft then descended below radar coverage and contact was lost with the aircraft," Ross said.

"It has crashed on railway tracks and does not appear to have collided with any other objects, houses or cars," police Sgt. Shelly Glover said.

Winnipeg police spokeswoman Carolyn Kwiatek said there was no damage to the surrounding area from the fire. The crash did tie up traffic on nearby streets during the morning rush, but no accidents or injuries resulted.

In its cargo were six vials of virus samples being sent to Thunder Bay for research, Cooper said.

Although the samples were labeled dangerous goods, they weren't considered hazardous at the crash site since all the cargo was destroyed in the blaze, Cooper said.

Police Sgt. Kelly Dennison said weather may have been a factor. Reports suggested light snow and mist in the area, temperatures near the freezing mark, moderate winds and about four miles of visibility.

Ross said the plane probably wasn't carrying a flight data recorder.
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Post by Meso » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:01 pm

I guess they have realeased the name of the pilot. She was a very nice lady with a mild demeanor, always in a good mood. I'm not sure where from originally but, she lived in YFC in the early 90's and worked for a Gov agency I believe. She gave up her job( which she was sick of) and decided to become a pilot, trained at the old YFC flying club where she got her PPL,CPL and muti, she worked very hard and was deternined to make it in this industry, very noble for someone at her age to give up a good job and knowingly enter a crazy profession like this, believe me she was warned and informed many times about the craziness of the industry, but, like I said she was determined to make it happen, and she did, she loved it! Kudos to you for making it happen N.A. We will miss you,and you will always be in our hearts, never forgotten.
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Post by shitdisturber » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:34 pm

A news article I saw earlier today stated that there was speculation amongst the investigators that she'd turned the aircraft into the railway yard to avoid hitting anyone on the ground. Incredible presence of mind under extreme pressure if that's the case. While it isn't much, her family can take some solace in her sacrifice.
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Post by Majesty » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:45 pm

Condolences to family and friends.
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Post by Probie » Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:32 pm

A sad day for all of us.
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Post by Dash7nomad » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:05 am

Very sad news indeed. I did my commercial training at around about the same time N.A did at the old YFC flying club during the early 1990's. And yes, she was a very nice lady. Over the years people lose touch as this unfortunately was the case. However, I do remember well that everyone respected her and there is no doubt that this respect followed her through an aviation career.

Condolances to her family; she will be remembered.
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Post by Mitch Cronin » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:23 am

My deepest sympathies to all her friends and family.
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Post by Jaques Strappe » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:59 am

Fate really is the hunter. It hits home when you spend the day thinking of someone you have never met. I hope she didn't suffer.
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Post by ... » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:50 am

Jaques Strappe wrote: ...It hits home when you spend the day thinking of someone you have never met....

Be so strong that nothing can disturb your peace of mind. Talk health,
happiness, and prosperity to every person you meet. Make all your
friends feel there is something special in them. Look at the sunny side
of everything. Think only of the best, work only for the best, and
expect only the best. Be as enthusiastic about the success of others as
you are about your own. Forget the mistakes of the past and press on
to the greater achievements of the future. Give everyone a smile.
Spend so much time improving yourself that you have no time left to
criticize others. Be too big for worry and too noble for anger.
Try to enjoy everything you do, Life is too short not to.
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Post by squawk 7600 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:26 am

My heart goes out to the family and friends. We see this all too much in this industry, and saddens me to know that it will happen again.

This accident (and many others before) makes us realize that we are vulnerable and are easily exposed to the possibility of these occurences. The key is to remember why we do this and that we all (and should) have the common goal of getting home to our loved ones...because in the end, that is all that matters.
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Post by Snowgoose » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:44 am

The Winnipeg Sun had a nice article about her this morning. Maybe this can be posted to the Avcanada wall.

Pilot Hailed as Hero
I'm proud of her: sister-in-law

A pilot killed in a dramatic plane crash outside Osborne Village died doing what she loved, her sister-in-law said yesterday.

"She wanted to fly, and that was the best job she could ever have," said Anna Chase last night from her Geary, N.B., home.

Nancy Chase Allan, 49, of Moncton, died early yesterday morning after her single engine Cessna 208B crashed on a railway track.

Mother of two

Chase Allan, a five-year veteran of Morningstar Air Express, used to live in Winnipeg, where she was an instructor at Perimeter Aviation.

Allan said Chase Allan, a divorced mother of two grown children, had been flying for about seven years after spending nearly 20 years working as a legal secretary.

"I guess she has always had a love of wanting to fly and she finally got gutsy enough to quit her job and took it upon herself to take her training," Allan said. "I'm very proud of her."

The Cessna was owned by Morningstar and contracted by Federal Express. Flags at FedEx's Sargent Avenue office were flying at half-staff yesterday. Don Boettcher, Morningstar's director of operations, said the airline will help grieving family members however it can and make sure they have access to required counselling resources.

He hailed Chase Allan as a hero for narrowly avoiding nearby roadways, homes and businesses during her troubled descent.

"I would say that's extremely commendable on her part," said Boettcher. "From the time she came out of the cloud layer ... to when she landed, she wouldn't have had much time.

"But, like all pilots, she would have wanted to avoid areas where there would be people. That's a natural instinct for most pilots, to spare as many lives as possible."

Chase said her sister-in-law would have done anything to avoid hurting anyone else.

"If there was any possible way she would have done that," Chase said. "It's one thing losing her own life, but she would never have wanted to hurt anyone else."

When Chase Allan wasn't flying she was selling real estate in Moncton, Chase said.

For the past several months, Chase Alan drove two hours every weekend to be with her ailing mother in Geary, N.B., Allan said.

"She would be there every Saturday by 11 in the morning. Her mom could set her watch by it. That was her day to be with her mom. "She was a beautiful person."
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Post by neechi » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:56 am

Havent read all 4 pages of this topic yet so forgive me if someone already mentioned this.

Having lived in wpg previously and knowing where this plane came to rest I can only say that she did a damn fine job. Landing where she did could only be compared to the civilian eqivilant of landing on a carrier...that is in terms of finding a place to put down in a sea of city. From the comments made on the news quoteing ATC communications with the pilot it was an icing issue that made her decide to return to the airport which means she probibly had even less time to make the desision of where to put down.

Of all the crashes this year this pilot get my vote for hero.
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Post by bizjet_mania » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:12 am

As short as her life was, it sounds like she lived a good one and was very much liked by those who knew her.
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Link to ATC Audio from time of Crash

Post by CYQMer » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:30 pm

Hi There,

Here is a link to the ATC audio if you are interested:

******the link has been removed to the live ATC to respect a request made the other day. Editted by AvCanada *********

Some additional information on Nancy:

She lived in Dieppe NB and worked for Morningstar part time on the YQM - YYG route. Nancy also worked as a real estate agent for Pro Reality and here career there was just starting to pick up.

She was a mother, poet and daugthter.

She was filling in for a vacationing Winnipeg co-worker who normally flew that route. Here plane was being re-painted therefore she was offered this opertunty to cover a co-workes vacation and this would also give her the opertunity to catch up with some old Winnipeg friends. She was originally going to fly a Vancouver route while she waited for the plane but then found out about the oppertunity in YWG.

She flew for Morningstar in Winnipeg for 2 years then another 3 in Moncton.

She was 49 years old and had a total of 3500 hours.

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Post by low n over » Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:57 pm

Very Sad. I'll always remember her walking across the ramp with her purse over her shoulder. Always cheerfull with poisse and a motherly way about her. A genuine gift to myself and the rest of the cadets on the PPL course in Shearwater 1997.

Theres always a seat for you in my aircraft Nancy.

God Bless.
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Post by Brize » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:02 pm

Just caught this crash site image on

Real tragic...God bless her.

-edited the direct link out. Having followed that link I'm quite sure it's not the time to be posting up the pictures or atc feeds. If anyone has a sick facination they can hut it down on - endless
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Post by Hotwings » Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:12 pm

My condolences not only to family and friends, but to anyone who knew the pilot.
What a sad day for all of us!
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Post by KAG » Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:07 pm

I too will miss Nancy. Even though we haven't crossed paths since we worked at Perimeter together, I am very saddened by this tragedy.

I can’t say I knew her exceptionally well (on a personal level, I didn’t know she was a poet), but what I did know left a very positive impression on me.
She always seemed to be in a good mood, and to go along with that cheerful smile was a large cup of Tim’s tea.
Aside from being a sweetheart, Nancy was a calm and level headed person / pilot. Her quite but assured manner was also apparent in the cockpit, and while she taught.

One thing I will always remember Nancy for was the simple fact that she became a pilot.

Now understand I’m not knocking her age, but it takes some kind of courage to make such an expensive and uncertain career choice, especially when age is not working for you. She not only did it, she did it with a confident determination that I have always admired and respected. Much respect…There are some who could learn a lot from her example.

Anyway, Nancy you will be missed.

Clear sky’s and gentle winds…
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Post by Go Guns » Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:23 pm

I think this is from the Winnipeg Free Press. Way to go Morningstar. Atta hang er out to dry....Like school in the summer time....
Plane involved in crash proves vulnerable to icing problems
Friday, October 7th, 2005
By: Leah Janzen

Aviation regulators around the world — including in Canada — recently implemented more stringent safety rules for Cessna Caravan aircraft after a review of accidents found the planes are more vulnerable to icing problems that can cause them to crash.

It was a Cessna Caravan 208B cargo plane that spiraled out of control early yesterday morning and crashed on the CN train tracks behind the Masonic Temple at Confusion Corner. The lone pilot, Nancy Chase-Allan, 49, was killed in the incident.

Radio communication between the pilot and air traffic controllers indicate the plane had become iced up in the moments before the crash.

There were 26 icing-related incidents involving Cessna Caravans between 1987 and 2003 in the United States. A Transport Canada spokeswoman said there have been six such incidents in Canada in the last 10 years.

Earlier this year, the Federal Aviation Administration in the United States issued an airworthiness directive instructing all pilots flying Cessna Caravan aircraft they must now make a “hands-on” check of the wing before take-off when icing is possible. The directive is typically issued from the country that certifies the plane, but once issued, is adopted by international agreement by other countries. As a result, Canadian pilots are also bound by the new rule.

Prior to the directive, pilots needed only to visually check for icing on the plane’s wings prior to take-off.

As of March, 29, pilots must now run their hands along the wing edge and surface as well as along the tail and propeller blades. Those checks must be done when temperatures fall below 5 C and there is visible moisture.

Investigators are not yet sure whether Chase-Allan conducted such an inspection before take off. Dan Boettcher, a spokesman for Morningstar Air Express, which operates the plane, said yesterday he did not believe Chase-Allan put the plane through a complete de-icing prior to leaving Winnipeg.

“From what I’ve heard, she did not de-ice the plane prior to take-off.”

A paper-thin layer of frost can cause a plane to lose lift. The speed a plane must maintain to avoid stalling is 35 per cent higher with frost than without.

When a plane stalls, its engines continue to run, but there isn’t enough airflow over the wing to generate the lift needed to keep the plane flying.

The plane drops and the pilot loses the ability to navigate it.

Canadian regulations prohibit pilots from taking off with any ice, frost or snow on critical surfaces such as wings. It is up to the pilot or maintenance crew to determine if de-icing fluid should be sprayed on the wings and propellers.

Transport Canada spokeswoman Lucie Vignola said yesterday there have been a handful of icing incidents involving Cessna Caravans in Canada in the last decade. She said Canada has implemented the new airworthiness directive from the FAA.

There are 54 Cessna Caravans in operation in Canada.

Last year, the National Transportation Safety Board in the United States issued an alert to all pilots, warning them the ice crystals as tiny as grains of salt scattered on a wing can be dangerous. Citing 26 U.S. crashes which resulted in 36 deaths, the NTSB in the states said they caused concern about “a possible systemic problem with the airplane’s design or operation.”

An American lawsuit is still pending in which the plaintiffs claim Cessna knew of a defect that made their Caravans especially vulnerable to ice. The claim has not yet been heard in court.

Additional safety directives pertaining to the Cessna Caravan are in the planning stages in the United States and may be implemented in the coming months. The new directive may compel the installation of de-icing boots on all Cessna Caravan landing gear.

According to international agreement, Canada would adopt the new rules if they are passed by the FAA.
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Post by the original tony » Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:47 am

i really like the last post with the article giving a beautiful explanation of how to check for ice on a wing, and that there is a 35% inc or dec in lift and with the moon over your shoulder and the sun on your right......the pilot is the one to blame.
never mind the fact she did her best to avoid gnd casualties, she was one of the sweetest ladies i knew in the business. Not out to prove i am lady pilot, but a pilot who always acted like a lady, and a beautiful one at that.
right now i am getting a little sick to my stomach.
no more posts please, unless they have something good to offer about this pilot who died doing what all of us do, and take for granted everyday.
enjoy time with your family, it's the holidays, i know she would be if she had the chance to.......
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Post by Blakey » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:29 am

I am dumbfounded that a member of the aviation community would make a statement like that attributed to Mr Boettcher above!

I can't count the number of times contributors to this website have given sage advice to the effect of "don't say anything to a media person if you don't know it to be true and have some respect for the family left behind". If I could add one point to this it would be "if you have to speculate, do so positively". Saying that "I assume the wing inspection was carried out properly before take off" conveys the same information as saying that "I don't believe the aircraft was de-iced before take off". Neither is a statement of any fact as both are un-informed assumptions on the part of the speaker. The difference, to my mind, is that the person is no longer here to speak for themselves and deserves an assumption of innocence. I'm sure we all recall the singer who was free-basing cocaine in a DC-3 several years ago when the aircraft caught fire and crashed killing all aboard. The problem is that it didn't happen! Somebody was using their imagination and it made for a good story so they were quoted as a "source". The story has long been discredited but it remains with us. Rumours are very difficult to stop.

Having been involved in several incidents that were reported in the media, I know that Mr Boettcher may very well have been mis-quoted or his comments may have been taken completely out of context. I hope this is case.
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Post by Wally3Wheels » Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:06 am

Here's a link to a good article from ATV/CTV regarding the unfortunate events: ... flag=video
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