Carl Millard dies @ 93 years old

[Wasn't Me]

What a trip Carl had. I've know him since the early 70's. he was tough but fair. If you could fly an airplane he showed you the respect you deserved.

He might have charged for type ratings but that was after he lost a few fresh guys to Air Canada. He never ripped of any of his pilots by not paying them what was aggreed like some of the operators today.

Carl you helped a lot of pilots move their lives forward. Thanks for the great memories.

[bandit1]

Everybody is bitching about employers who exploit their pilots and pay low wages with shitty conditions.

Well guys, in general, except for a few companies, we are all being exploited like crazy and don't do anything about it.

Starting wages right seat on twin turbines even at big respected companies is shit compared to the responsibility, training, knowledge and alertness we have to put in.

I have alot of friends in other industries making ALOT more than I am right out of university.

I don't think it's fair to critisize pilot's decisions for working the ramp, signing training bonds etc because if anyone wants to make it these days in this shitty, exploited industry we love so much, this is what has to be done to get ahead.

There is nobody to blame for this because we all have a passion for aviation (or did at one time) and when everyone started out, they would NEVER turn down a job offer to fly even if the wages were bad. After paying alot of cash for training, any money made to fly is good money.

I guess we could say the older pilots who usually are the ones complaining about everything started this mess because they're the ones that accepted low wages in the beginning and made it in to what it is today.

And if you guys have a problem with a boss that is paying shit or over working you, put yourself in his place. Why pay a guy 50,000$ when he'll work for 28,000$

Everyone knows the starting salary when they get hired so don't blame anyone but yourself for being exploited. You took the job.

And this goes right up to the top- Look at Air Canada for example. 30something grand to fly a jet for Canada's biggest airline.

And they've got guys willing to sell they're left nut to get in.

That's just the way aviation has evolved. We'll see what happens in the next few years.

It's a pilot's market right now and the first time we can really choose who we want to fly for.

Hopefully companies will start paying more to hold on to their flt crew so we don't leave for a similar job with better pay and conditions.

[Wasn't Me]

Have to agree with Bandit1 valid points

[CYQMer]

What does your rant have to do with Carl Mallard?
If you don't like your job QUIT!!!
If you don't like your pay FIND ANOTHER JOB!!

Everybody is bitching about employers who exploit their pilots and pay low wages with shitty conditions.

Well guys, in general, except for a few companies, we are all being exploited like crazy and don't do anything about it.

Starting wages right seat on twin turbines even at big respected companies is shit compared to the responsibility, training, knowledge and alertness we have to put in.

I have alot of friends in other industries making ALOT more than I am right out of university.

I don't think it's fair to critisize pilot's decisions for working the ramp, signing training bonds etc because if anyone wants to make it these days in this shitty, exploited industry we love so much, this is what has to be done to get ahead.

There is nobody to blame for this because we all have a passion for aviation (or did at one time) and when everyone started out, they would NEVER turn down a job offer to fly even if the wages were bad. After paying alot of cash for training, any money made to fly is good money.

I guess we could say the older pilots who usually are the ones complaining about everything started this mess because they're the ones that accepted low wages in the beginning and made it in to what it is today.

And if you guys have a problem with a boss that is paying shit or over working you, put yourself in his place. Why pay a guy 50,000$ when he'll work for 28,000$

Everyone knows the starting salary when they get hired so don't blame anyone but yourself for being exploited. You took the job.

And this goes right up to the top- Look at Air Canada for example. 30something grand to fly a jet for Canada's biggest airline.

And they've got guys willing to sell they're left nut to get in.

That's just the way aviation has evolved. We'll see what happens in the next few years.

It's a pilot's market right now and the first time we can really choose who we want to fly for.

Hopefully companies will start paying more to hold on to their flt crew so we don't leave for a similar job with better pay and conditions.

[bandit1]

If you would have read most of the comments, you'd come to the conclusion that there is a debate whether he was a good man and respected in the industry or exploited pilots and paid shit.

The whole point being that if I guy can get pilots to live in his hangar and fly for peanuts, why pay any more than he has too?

When you go to McDonald's, to you leave 15$ for your happy meal when it only costs 6$??? No, because they are happy if you give them 6 bucks for it, that's why.

And the main people bitching about paying for PPC's, training bonds, working the ramp for ages etc are the guys years ago who were OK with working for peanuts just to be able to fly. Sounds a little hypocritical doesn't it?

Hope I cleared that up for you.

[. ._]

I never met the guy, but he sounds like a good pilot.

My condolences.

-istp

[DelMillard]

~Yes that was his grandson who solo'd in a fixed & rotary wing aircraft back in 99.
It was a great 14th birthday for me. I am glad I had the chance to solo young, so that my grandfather Carl was there to see.
For those of you who knew him, thank you for your kind stories, memories, and words.
For those who did not know him, those imparticular, who cast judgment so freely yet ignorantly, it's a shame.. because you missed out.

Dellen Millard

[Cat Driver]

Are you Waynes son Dellen?

[DelMillard]

Yup that's me. Pleased to meet you Cat.

Dellen Millard
2450 Derry Road E.
Hangar #5

[matt foley]

Hey Slob Driver, best bitch slap Ive seen on this site. Im sure you havnt shut him up for good but thaks.

[wrc]

Funny, I was just mentioning Carl's name last week in reference to his interview questions and ability to see a pilot's judgement (the smoking thing). Probably still the best method of evaluating common sense.
RIP Carl
Also, was he not an origional TCA pilot?

[Bushpilotdc8]

...An amazing story about him deadsticking the HFB320 Hansa jet after losing both engines!

Oy! Could you imagine trying to deadstick this thing?

I was the co-pilot, Bushpilotdc8@aol.com

[Hedley]

trying to deadstick?

Bob Hoover used to routinely dead stick North American jet fighters to uneventful landings when he was a test pilot for them.

Heck, even my father dead-sticked a Canadair F-86 Sabre #330 through an instrument approach in Europe on 20 April, 1956, and there are plenty of people reading this who think they're a lot better pilot than he is - he was only an F-104 test pilot afterwards.

Here's an F-16 pilot doing it right, with all the toys:

[Liquid Charlie]

deadsticking the HFB320 Hansa jet after losing both engines! Quite a pilot!

An amazing story but more to it than likely known - Carl and the whole aircraft compliment were saved by the quick action of the first officer at a very critical moment. I worked for Carl for a week - I saw what I saw and left - my choice -- others went the other way - regardless of how we felt he was unquestionably an icon of Canadian Aviation. He left his mark - when man has affected so many careers and influenced so many pilots it doesn't matter if it was negative or positive. There are several generations of pilots who have been influenced by Carl Millard, either directly or indirectly. His legacy will live on --

[Jack Klumpus]

there are plenty of people reading this who think they're a lot better pilot than he is - he was only an F-104 test pilot afterwards.

My dad dead sticked the discovery on a mars landing. While doing so, they had a rapid depressurization. The aft safety valve got stuck. His commander was incapacitated due to a kidney stone, so he kinda had his hands full, that's why he couldn't take a picture.

Kept it hush-hush, he hated to be center of attention. Took off again dead-sticking it all the way back to earth, with a touch'n go at MIR.

[on-the-step]

I do not know Doc.
I did meet Carl Millard a number of years ago.
Nice conversation.
Sure he may have had a reputation, but is he the only one like that in aviation?
Hardly...
I agree with Doc's comments . . .
I believe it may have been Carl's son that was fired from Air Canada (as a pilot) many, many moons ago, for having long hair . . .
And I believe he won a court case against Air Canada for that wrongful dismissal, not sure?
Maybe some of you remember more about that story, if indeed I have the right guy...

[The Old Fogducker]

Interesting totally useless historical fact ... my grandfather and Carl's father (Carl senior, senior) were business partners in a flying service. Grandad lived in an apartment building immediately below senior, senior until they passed away within a short time of each other.
.... I did say it was useless info.

The Old Fogducker