Ice Pilots Started

[A Regulator]

CAR705 is different than the rest, in short yes you can do on empty legs but not for initial training, must be qualified crews, no emergencies etc. and if APPROVED. You must have a very detailed program but also only certain stuff can be done as some required stuff can only be done with no passengers those items are specified in the CASS. It is an extremely difficult for an operator to do as it is a lot easier to just make up a regular program than spend the time making up this type of detailed program. You must also ensure that if the normal time on your lets say revenue flight is one hour and then you put in one hour on your training records but indicate you did several approaches, engine shut downs and ILS at an airport that does not have an ILS, well I'm sorry I will call BS and ask questions. You are better off reading the CAR/CASS and spread your training over a defined period of time and concentrate on providing training in the time you specify. 705 has a lot of good benefits that the other ones do not have or allow.

[Taiser]

Well if the last inspectors he had let it go, for years apparently, yet the new one says no, then there is obviously NO CONSISTENCY in interpreting the regs (but we all know that anyways), and it's not the only inconsistency IMHO either. And not that I'm siding with Joe (I think he's a horrible boss) but if he asked specifically where in the Regs something was that he was in violation of and the Inspector couldn't show him (and I'm taking the show at face value here that he really didn't) then I'm thinking the interpretation is too open and that can let prick inspectors with too much leeway! Of course there are lots of CAR's regs that can be open to interpretation so you'd think TC would start clarifying some of these a bit more.

[A Regulator]

It is a tv show edited for entertainment

[Eric Janson]

(I think he's a horrible boss)

Always interesting to read comments from people who have never worked there and base their opinions on a TV show. Ice Pilots is not a documentary it is entertainment. Nobody wants to see routine operations - it's not good television.

For the record:-

I worked there for 7 years.
I started on the ramp and I was Captain on the DC-3 when I left. Joe didn't have to promote me.
I have at least 1000 hours as Joe's co-pilot.
When I left Joe gave me a 2 page letter of reference (I never asked for one).
Things I learned flying there have kept me out of trouble flying the large jets.

I don't need to defend Joe - he is perfectly capable of defending himself.

Ice Pilots has really put Buffalo on the map. I had 2 controllers from London Heathrow on my flight earlier this year. The asked me about my background. The first thing they said when I mentioned Canada was "Ice Pilots!" I told them I'd worked there - you should have seen the look on their faces.

I'm really enjoying the show. brings back a lot of memories.

[CFR]

It is a tv show edited for entertainment

Every so often I have to remind my wife to go to the TV screen, tap on the glass and say "this side reality... that side fantasy"

[single_swine_herder]

Edited for TV, and facts selected to gain an audience, not reflect reality or truth.

Not unlike the disgusting hack job the CBC did on WW2 Lancaster Pilots in their production by the Mckenna brothers in the mockumentary "The Valour and The Horror."

[Kestral]

Was Interesting to see the new Rampie in YHY pack up and leave after such a short time. Also, to see the new female Rampie show up in YZF for a try-out in sneakers and bare hands. Probably didn't expect to be thrown to the wolves so quickly and actually have to get on a flight and go north. I understand that it is summer and all, but boots and gloves would make sense even if not composite tow. A little research goes a long way.

[pelmet]

First off, where those two accidents because of a failure to go around, a loss of control after touchdown or did they occur on takeoff?

No one seems to want to provide details. Here is some more info. Any additional details would be welcome. You might save lives in the future, if that is important.

"TSB reported that the Buffalo Airways Ltd. Douglas C54G (DC-4), C-GBSK, was landing at the ULU mining strip with 45 drums of diesel fuel. On short final, the crew noticed that they were too fast, and reduced power as the flaps were selected to full. As the aircraft began to settle, power was increased, but the aircraft continued to descend. When the Captain initiated the flare, the aircraft landed short of the runway threshold, collapsing the landing gear. The wings separated from the fuselage and caught fire, and the fuselage veered off the RH side of the runway. There were no injuries to the 4 crew. ULU airstrip has a crushed rock runway 3,800 feet long by 90 feet wide, with a 500 foot overrun area. Elevation is about 1,600 feet, with a hill at about mid-way along its length. This occurrence is similar to a previous company occurrence (A02W0168) at Diavik, NT in 2002."

[co-joe]

Yikes! Sounds like a perfect time for a Go Around.

I was looking through the TSB website at the tragic summer you guys in YZF just had and see if I could understand Joe's reaction to the G/A thing. The YRB crash looks like it was on a late initiated G/A in poor wx although the report isn't finalised yet. The Twin otter report isn't out yet either, however I was told it had something to do with a GA on a bounced landing or something of the sort.

Anyway not looking to pass judgement and you do have my sincere condolences, anyone involved. I can see a boss using the rule of intensity to attempt to teach the youngins to remember the consequence can be dire. (ie the more intense the lesson, the more likely you are to remember it)Not a big fan of his delivery but I've worked for people like him so I can understand.

That whole witch hunt thing made me laugh. Who hasn't been standing face to face with TC enforcement thinking the same thing? Yeah me neither...nevermind...

[Ecco]

For a complete computer know nothing like me, can someone please post a place I can actually watch season 4 episode 1 of ice pilots? online (no tv here) may need to leave semi detailed instructions thanks

It's now been posted on the History Channel site: http://www.history.ca/video/#video

Hey Guy's, on the Hystory chanel web site i'm only abbel to see episode 1 of season 4... 2 and 3 seems available but when i click on it, only freaking previews are showing..

Are they available or not?

thx for helping

[Diadem]

Hey Guy's, on the Hystory chanel web site i'm only abbel to see episode 1 of season 4... 2 and 3 seems available but when i click on it, only freaking previews are showing..

Are they available or not?

thx for helping

Well, only two episodes have aired, so you're probably not going to be able to watch episode three yet. Several Canadian networks, including Discovery Channel and now History, only post videos for some shows a week after the episode aired on tv, thereby allowing them to re-run it several times during the week. Thus, last week's episode will be released on their website this Wednesday after the new episode airs.
There are other websites which stream tv shows for free, the day after airing in the case of Ice Pilots, but I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to share those details here. There's nothing illegal about watching them, since nothing is being downloaded (uploading may be a different story) but I'm not sure the mods want such links posted here.

[Ecco]

Hey Guy's, on the Hystory chanel web site i'm only abbel to see episode 1 of season 4... 2 and 3 seems available but when i click on it, only freaking previews are showing..

Are they available or not?

thx for helping

Well, only two episodes have aired, so you're probably not going to be able to watch episode three yet. Several Canadian networks, including Discovery Channel and now History, only post videos for some shows a week after the episode aired on tv, thereby allowing them to re-run it several times during the week. Thus, last week's episode will be released on their website this Wednesday after the new episode airs.
There are other websites which stream tv shows for free, the day after airing in the case of Ice Pilots, but I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to share those details here. There's nothing illegal about watching them, since nothing is being downloaded (uploading may be a different story) but I'm not sure the mods want such links posted here.

thx very much... my P.M box is wide open for further information..

[Gino Under]

I liked the part where Buffalo Joe gets in the face of the Transport Canada Inspector and says "I pay your salary."
Well, I'm pretty sure Transport Canada Inspectors pay taxes as well so I guess they're 'self employed' judging by that logic.

Gino Under

[oldyellr]

Well, only two episodes have aired, so you're probably not going to be able to watch episode three yet. Several Canadian networks, including Discovery Channel and now History, only post videos for some shows a week after the episode aired on tv, thereby allowing them to re-run it several times during the week. Thus, last week's episode will be released on their website this Wednesday after the new episode airs.

Ironically, this season Ice Pilots airs only the one time each week before going into reruns later in the year.

[N2]

If I were the inspector when Joe got in his face and stated "I pay your salary" I would have responded ...Yeah ya cheap prick and I've being meaning to talk to you about a raise!

[North Shore]

^ funny, dat!

[CID]

Why would anyone work for this dinosaur?

[Beefitarian]

Why would anyone work for this dinosaur?

Transport Canada you mean?

[Cat Driver]

Beautiful response Beef.

[highlander]

Just watched last night's episode where Andrew leaves for Cathay.

During the show the one scene that really upset me most was how Mikey McBrian's sister (i think) treated the new 'rampie'. To me, that was completely unprofessional and sends a terrible message. Whether or not it was supposed to be funny I don't get it. (Maybe it was edited for TV so it comes across a certain way)

No matter what your job is in aviation- rampie, dispatcher, pilot, ame, guy/gal who drains the lav's, etc everyone deserves respect and everyone deserves to be treated fairly.

I remember working the ramp-and perhaps two of the worst jobs I had was applying hot tar to the ramp and cleaning out gutters. It was awful work, but the people around me treated me with respect and dignity and made sure I felt welcomed- and appreciated the work I do.

Working at Buffalo might very well be one of the "hardest places" to work at- but perhaps it's not so much the physical work- it's how people are treated.

To all the rampies and pilot wannabe's out there- this industry can be tough, it can be challenging, but above all else- believe me- it is rewarding.

[ogopogo]

I wish they'd show more airplane stuff and less Bravo Sierra about the human side of things. I guess the general public would lose interest, though. I can't believe that kid (what is he, maybe twelve?) got on with Cathay. (Did I hear right when they said it was the world's 3rd largest airline??? Maybe I misunderstood)

Still, I love the show despite the over dramatization (that 150 low-and-over stuff was waaaay over the top).

[woodzi]

Still, I love the show despite the over dramatization (that 150 low-and-over stuff was waaaay over the top).

Yeah, but the helicopter that was doing the filming had 6 TIMES the horsepower !

[iflyforpie]

Still, I love the show despite the over dramatization (that 150 low-and-over stuff was waaaay over the top).

Yeah, but the helicopter that was doing the filming had 6 TIMES the horsepower !

And the same top speed.

[CLguy]

Don't think for a minute that by Andrew getting accepted into the Cathay Cadet Program in Adelaide that he has won the lottery. He is in for a very long, miserable and very hungry time but that is for another thread.

[Beefitarian]

but that is for another thread.

This one, viewtopic.php?f=13&t=81331&hilit=Cathay or the 215 page one the second post there mentions on pprune?