RCAF History Forum

[Beefitarian]

That's glorious sir, wel done.

[Waldo Peppar]

Thanks for that list Moose47.

Most impressive model Old Dog Flying...I note that she is a VIP representation, with air-stair and curtains. I only came across a couple of those. I also note she has the "Desert Kit" air intakes with the bypasses as opposed to straight small intakes. What tail number does she have on her?

[Old Dog Flying]

WP: That is a 1:48 scale rendition of RCAF 1000. It is complete with cockpit and cabin lights, landing lights, navigation and flashing anti collision lights and there are two tiny electric motors buried in the 1830 cases...and everything works.

I'm currently working on a display base with hidden magnetic switches.

Barney

[sidestick stirrer]

Not very realistic Barney: there's no oil soaked into those tyres:)

[Old Dog Flying]

Thanks Scott but 412 Sqn would not allow oil drips on their ramp.

And for those with nothing but time on their hands, here is more RCAF in miniature http://www.barneysairforce.com

Barney

[Waldo Peppar]

Old Dog Flying,
I first flew that airplane on April 09,1970 out of Shearwater with the CO of 101(T) flight, Major Utting, she was still known as 1000 then.

[BGH]

I've been following this thread since the beginning & can say that my dad 'Hub' was in Winnipeg from 57-65 on Otters & the Dac's & then was transfered to Shearwater in 65; being a part of 101(T) & vu32 as an aeroengine tech.I was even fortunate to be on board a flight taking a dac to winnipeg from Shearwater,with an overnight on Trenton - I think in 1972,or 73.

I've included a scan of one of dad's slides,not sure where it was taken,but may have been Pelly Bay.

Just curious if any were at Gardner Lake in March (15,17) 1960 on the dac's as my dad was.

Daryl

[Moose47]

G'day

Carrying on with our current theme, the Dakota, here is a shot (circa 1957 or 1958) of a Dakota s/n 971 and coded KT*971 from No. 105 Communications and Rescue Flight based at my old stomping grounds as an 'Air Force Brat', R.C.A.F. Station Namao, Alberta. It is seen shortly after take-off with the centre fuselage-mounted J.A.T.O. having been fired.

Cheers...Chris

[Moose47]

Daryl

Was your father with No. 111 Communications & Rescue Flight at R.C.A.F. Station Winnipeg?

Cheers...Chris

[Moose47]

G'day Waldo

R.C.A.F. Dakota 1000 was re-serialed on the 26th of June, 1970 to C.A.F. serial number 12965 here in North Bay while tempraily assigned to 131 (K) Unit.

I will put together a short history on this aircrat in the next couple of days.

I have attached a photo of your Dak. Incidentally, I remember seeing it come to ZX on numerous ocassions and even sat in the left-hand seat once.

Cheers...Chris

[Waldo Peppar]

Moose47
My favorite DAK was one at 429Sqn , used by the Instrument Check Pilot ( ICP) unit as the multi engine check pilot trainer. I believe it was airframe 937. It had more modern (at that time) instruments and tunable vhf radio as opposed to the preset crystal sets.It also was relatively light.
From the log book:
On Nov 17,1971, airframe 926, CYWG to CYAM at 25,000feet 3.7hours. I believe 926 had R1830-90C single stage supercharger engines,as several of the Daks did.
Our normal gross weight was 29,900 or 31,500 operational ( ie SAR) Civilian DC-3s were around 26000? I believe.
Cheers
WP

[Moose47]

G'day All
 
This interesting photo shows an Airspeed Oxford Mk. V, s/n EB443 of No. 36 Operational Training Unit from R.A.F. Station Greenwood, Nova Scotia in a rather embarrassing pose. The accident took place at Saint John, New Brunswick on the 14th of October 1943 at 19:47 Hrs. GMT. The pilot was making a high approach to the runway due to bad weather and surrounding high terrain. It overshot the runway, hit soft sand and nosed over. There were no injuries unless you count the pilot’s ego, which was probably slightly bruised.

According to my records, he did not recieve any disciplinary action or have his logook endorsed for bad flying.

Onboard were

Pilot - J15385 Flying Officer G. H. Bryan, R.C.A.F.

Passenger – 130981 Flying Officer H. Hatcher, R.A.F.V.R.

Passenger – J 15094 Flying Officer N. H. McLeod, R.C.A.F.

Note: R.A.F.V.R. - Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve

Cheers...Chris

[Moose47]

‘Jenny G-CAAA’

This Curtiss JN-4 (Can) was built in 1917 under licence from the parent company by Canadian Aeroplanes Limited. It initially served with the Royal Flying Corps in Canada as a training aircraft (after the 1st of April 1918 it became the Royal Air Force) and was given the serial number C-210. By the end of 1917, the company had produced more than 150 aircraft for R.F.C. Canada. The aircraft was powered by the water-cooled Curtiss OX-5 V-8 engine.

On the 20th of April 1920, G-CAAA became the first aircraft in Canada to receive a government certificate of registration. It was commercially operated by Aerial Services Company of Regina, Saskatchewan. The company was formed that year before by Mr. Roland Groome (first Canadian to be issued a commercial pilots licence) in partnership with Mr. E. Clarke and Mr. J. R. Wright. The company’s aircraft maintenance was carried out by Mr. Robert McCombie, who also had the distinction of being the first aero engineer licenced in Canada. While the company flew G-CAAA it had the name ‘Jerry’ painted on it.

On the18th of October 1923, the aircraft was purchased and privately operated by Mr. Roland Groome at Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. The Certificate of Registration number was 236. Roland Groome re-registered the aircraft in the commercial category on the25th of April 1924. The Certificate of Registration number was 254.

On the 2nd of June 1926 it was issued a temporary certificate. It was now owned and operated commercially by Mr. O.H. Clearwater of Shaunavon, Saskatchewan. On the 10th of June 1926 an application to operate the aircraft was made by Mr. O.H. Gardiner and Mr. P. Dockstader, both of Shaunavon, Saskatchewan. It was destroyed in Shaumavon on the 30th of June, 1926.

Cheers...Chris

[Old Dog Flying]

Chris: I was chairman of the aviation committee for the Western Developement Museum in Moose Jaw and during the eight years there a lot of items came my way including the original licences og Groome and McCombie..copies of which I still have.

Originally all civilian aircraft in Canada were registered G-CXXX but about 1929 they were registered CF-XXX. It was about 1974 that aircraft were registered C-FXXX and C-GXXX with some antiques allowed to carry the CF-XXX original lettering.

Barney

[Moose47]

G'day

Here's another prang for you all. It involves two Canadair Silver Star Mk. 3's from No. 2 Flying Training School based at R.C.A.F. Station Gimli, Manitoba.

Silver Star s/n 21550, coded ML*550 landed on top of Silver Star s/n 21124, coded ML*124 while carrying out a stream formation landing at R.C.A.F. Station Saskatoon on the 1st of July 1959. The nose and main wheels were shorn off and as a result, the aircraft was subsequntly written off.

Any chance you remember this accident Barney? I was there but way too young to remember.

Cheers...Chris

[Moose47]

G'day

Alright folks. Who can tell me what type of aircraft this is in the trees?

I'll give you a few days and then post the answer including an accident report.

Cheers...Chris

[Colonel Sanders]

Silver Star s/n 21550, coded ML*550 landed on top of Silver Star s/n 21124, coded ML*124 while carrying out a stream formation landing at R.C.A.F. Station Saskatoon on the 1st of July 1959.

Moose: are you quite certain of that date of 1 July 1959?

Because my father flew 550 on 2 July 1959 when he was
instructing at 3 Advanced Flying School, Gimli.

He's handy with the tools, but he's not good enough to
repair 550 overnight for a 2:45 flight (mission 51) the
next day!

I see he flew 124 (the other aircraft) on 25 June 1959
for 1:45 (mission 49) and on 29 June 1959 for 1:55
(mission 2). And he flew 124 again on 16 July 1959
for 1:20 (formation).

PS Given that photo, I can see why he was glad to get
out of AFS and onto the -104, if that's what the students
were doing to each other

[Old Dog Flying]

Chris: Your mystery photo is that of a Northrop Delta

Barney

[YYZSaabGuy]

Chris: Your mystery photo is that of a Northrop Delta

Barney

Old Dog, good eye: is it possibly a Northrop Delta II? Google Images shows two distinct types under "Northrop Delta", with quite different vertical stabs. Those attributed to the RCAF seem to be labelled Delta II, and the tails more closely resemble that in Moose's photo. What do you think?

[Moose47]

"Moose: are you quite certain of that date of 1 July 1959?"

Sorry about that Colonel, I had finger trouble. It was actually in on the 1st of July, 1960.

Cheers...Chris

[Moose47]

"Chris: Your mystery photo is that of a Northrop Delta"

Not a Delta. Keep trying guys!

Cheers...Chris

[linecrew]

"Chris: Your mystery photo is that of a Northrop Delta"

Not a Delta. Keep trying guys!

Cheers...Chris

Is an Avro Anson? It looks like the aft tip of the #2 engine fairing is visible on the top of the right wing.

[Colonel Sanders]

1st of July, 1960

That makes a lot more sense. Thanks Chris!

[Old Dog Flying]

Looking at the photo a bit more closely, I see the fairing which, added to the rest of the thing says Airspeed Oxford. The Anson MkI had a birdcage window set down the side.



Barney

[Moose47]

G'day

The aircraft is a Canadian-built Avro Anson Mk. II after an engine failure.
Serial number and unit unknown.

More Anson prangs to follow.

Cheers...Chris