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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by flyinthebug » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:15 pm

I can say in all honesty, I have never once called "wheels down in ten" ever. I have said "estimating the field in x minutes"...but never used the phrase wheels down in ten or 15 or whatever. Wheels UP?, yup, relayed that information to dispatch 1000+ times, but never wheels down in...whatever time.

Btw, I agree with most of your rant Illya! Good airmanship is such a simple thing...but so many pilots seem to lack it in some areas (I too have been blasted with gravel by a PA31 with a 900 hour guy in the left and 250 hours in the right seat). Don't they teach this stuff in flight school anymore?

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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by stol701 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:43 pm

I don't understand why would you care at all for messages like these, especially to slow down and not take off based on a call someone made 5 or 10 min ago... Aren't people suppose to call base and final?

Not that I fly that often so it probably is more irritating if you hear it all day long, but I filter out such messages completely as they are simply an intention... they don't report anything material and mean nothing.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Liquid Charlie » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:47 pm

Is it because that people are watching movies, reading books or just sleeping that blind traffic advisories command 95% of the traffic on 126.7 - there seems to be little need to "stay alert and watch for other aircraft" - and why do people xmit on 126.7 as well as the MF and do it so fast that no one could tell wtf you are doing anyway -- you made your noise at the required time and no one answered -- ytf -- would you do another 6 advisories before you land when it is obvious that there is no traffic -- oh ya -- looking out the window seems to have become a lost art --- cutting down on useless traffic advisories would clean up the frequency when you actually need to work out a plan with other traffic and then I am also mystified when I get an eta from someone that is ahead of me and when the dust settles I am down and clear and engines are stopped - unloading started before the guy who was supposed to be ahead of me actually manages to get on the ground -- oops :smt040 -- PFM --
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by single_swine_herder » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:23 pm

An excellent mini-rant Ilya ...... the radio call that has always silently miffed me is the use of "At this time."

"GXYZ is Bozo Lake at this time, inbound for landing."

I frequently find myself thinking ... of course its "at this time for cripes sake. Do you think the signal bounced off Mars and took 26 minutes for the signal to leave the antenna, bounce off the red planet and then to the ground station where NASA scientists are waiting for my transmission?" .... or maybe ..... "Oh, Bozo Lake this time .... not like last time when I said I was Bozo Lake, but was really over Runny Nose Lake, or the time before that when I said I was Bozo Lake but it was actually 3 minutes before I called and fooled everyone by saying Bozo Lake at this time."

Of course its "at this time" for crying out loud, radio signals travel at 186,000 Miles Per Second (approx.) .... so little to no compensation for the few nanoseconds of time for the transmitter to receiver radio path need be taken into account.

Edited to correct the unit of measurement ..... I was too consumed by my rant to notice the error in the quoted speed of light.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Rookie50 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:07 pm

single_swine_herder wrote:An excellent mini-rant Ilya ...... the radio call that has always silently miffed me is the use of "At this time."

"GXYZ is Bozo Lake at this time, inbound for landing."

I frequently find myself thinking ... of course its "at this time for cripes sake. Do you think the signal bounced off Mars and took 26 minutes for the signal to leave the antenna, bounce off the red planet and then to the ground station where NASA scientists are waiting for my transmission?" .... or maybe ..... "Oh, Bozo Lake this time .... not like last time when I said I was Bozo Lake, but was really over Runny Nose Lake, or the time before that when I said I was Bozo Lake but it was actually 3 minutes before I called and fooled everyone by saying Bozo Lake at this time."

Of course its "at this time" for crying out loud, radio signals travel at 186,000 MPH (approx.) .... so little to no compensation for the few nanoseconds of time for the transmitter to receiver radio path need be taken into account.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Maynard » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:20 pm

SSS, I'm glad you agree with my post and that I'm currently not alone in this fight. Presently, I'd like to thank you. When I actually do, I'll let you know. Just keep in mind that I'd like to.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by JMACK » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:26 pm

Changes in Latitudes wrote:Sometimes I think it's good that some of you post here instead of taking it out on loved ones, pets and/or houseplants.
However...
I'm still waiting for the day when I fly with someone and say "hey that was really good airmanship, good parking and radio speak! Where'd you learn that?" and they say "Avcanada".

In the meantime, just in case it DOES actually work:

GET OFF MY LAWN!

Any conflicting please be advised, that was funny!
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Liquid Charlie » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:02 am

Local knowledge -- :smt040 where the fuc is Bozo Lake -- "at this time means" -- either I don't have a watch or don't know what time zone I'm in or my math skills are confused - lmfoaaaaaaa -- depending on altitude I guess if you can hear someone that should automatically trigger a 4 minute advisory to M/T space -- speaking of space -- what is the speed of sound in a vacuum -- a little Saturday morning absurdity -- and I'm on time off so I won't get my quota of 126.7 entertainment for 2 weeks -- :mrgreen:
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by complexintentions » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:12 am

It's threads like this that reaffirm my hatred for pretty much all of humanity.

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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Meatservo » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:09 am

Actually it's threads like this that remind me of how much fun it used to be when we were allowed to fight. :(
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by complexintentions » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:05 am

hahah! Fighting I could get behind. The most banal rant in the history of aviation ("wheels down") is just depressing. Like selfie sticks.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Rowdy » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:36 am

YOU LEAVE MY SELFIE STICK OUT OF THIS!!!!
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by GyvAir » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:49 am

Before I read this thread, I was unaware that I was happily unaware of the existence of the selfie stick.
It's an curiously unseasonably warm February day out there.. I think I'll get off my ass now and go enjoy it.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Meatservo » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:51 am

Cheer up, men, and arm your selfie-sticks. There is a fight developing as we speak, one or two threads down, on the subject of global warming. A subject that never fails to bring out the stupidest cretins on either side of the argument. It will make this thread look incisive and relevant. 8)
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Rowdy » Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:12 pm

Climate change fights bore me.. I'd much rather squabble over inane subjects like what headsets to buy, conflicting traffic reports, how good the old days used to be and of course people who land with the wheels up.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by JasonE » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:09 pm

LousyFisherman wrote:Instead of "wheels down in ten" I prefer to say "HFR joining left downwind ...."
In a 150 they are one and the same
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Illya Kuryakin » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:05 pm

Rowdy wrote:YOU LEAVE MY SELFIE STICK OUT OF THIS!!!!

Had to look that one up. There really are selfie sticks...pretty funny.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Jean-Pierre » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:09 pm

tractor driver wrote:Yeah, some of the stuff on the frequency makes you wonder....
When I hear the "wheels down" comment, I think the broadcaster is not just reading the time off their GPS, but adding a bit to make it more realistic. When I hear ABC, 12 back, XYZ in 4, I wonder about the 180 knots to touch down..... when they say "wheels down",, ( I hope) they have adjusted this to a more realistic arrival estimate.

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sstaurus wrote:I think there's some 'get off my lawn' types grasping at straws here. I too appreciate 'wheels down' since as mentioned above, it suggests they've adjusted the time showing on the black box. Hardly something to get to worked up about. It's not like an ACTPA call tying up the frequency...

Anyone with a small amount of perception and half a brain realize this. It makes me cringe that Doc doesn't. I've even heard him chastise other pilots over the radio for saying wheels down. Now that is unprofessional.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by raven54 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:48 pm

I'm with the "at this time" crowd...drives me insane! How about, "currently showing"? or, "currently showing XX NAUTICAL MILES at this time."? Or reading back EVERY.SINGLE.WORD. ......RAGE!!!!
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Meatservo » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:49 pm

So I still don't understand. When you say "wheels down in-", do you mean you plan to lower the landing gear in that amount of time? Or is that the time you plan to land? If it's the latter, in what way does using the jargon correctly indicate that you've adjusted your indicated ETA to take into account the slowing down and manoeuvring after the descent? I'm just trying to understand. If it just means that's when you're planning to touch down, then I'm afraid it is actually just a silly and currently trendy little catch-phrase, despite all the pseudo-airmanship some of you are trying to attach to it.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by complexintentions » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:25 pm

*sigh*

Phrases like "wheels down", "on chocks", "in range", "blocked out" have been in use since Christ was a carpenter. Not exactly trendy. The only thing I can think of more worthy to work one's panties into a twist about is, um.... anything else whatsoever.

Selfie sticks. I was just on a Rome layover, and every three feet along the Coliseum it was Indian dudes selling cheap made in China selfie sticks. Truly, we are in the last days of civilization.

And I consider selfie sticks as equally relevant as any other complaint in this whole shitty thread. In fact it only makes me determined to start using as many non-standard phrases as much as possible, as often as I can, everywhere I go.

Where do you guys mostly fly? :mrgreen:

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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Meatservo » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:44 pm

We're in the last days of THIS civilization. If you believe in trends, the next one is going to be EVEN BETTER until its prosperity breeds a generation of wastrels who fiddle while Rome burns and argue about whether a spacesuit is blue or black, and don't spell good and like whatever, and on and on it will go until someday some post-human scientist invents time travel and then they will come back here and do god-knows-what. It's exciting. Ow, my balls.

Arguments and little bitch-fests like this are healthy, especially since we aren't allowed to really insult each other or the moderators anymore. It's like a safety valve.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by glorifieddriver » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:06 am

I borrowed a selfie stick twice now from a friend in hope of capturing some of my travels. I am yet to use it. It is so hard for me to just pull it out and actually use it. I feel like I will cross the line of no return. The idea is cool, especially for aviation. You could capture a cool picture especially if own a gopro. But yeah the diagram above just about sums it up.
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Re: Wheels Down in Ten

Post by Diadem » Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:21 am

Meatservo wrote:If you believe in trends, the next one is going to be EVEN BETTER until its prosperity breeds a generation of wastrels who fiddle while Rome burns...
Well, to be pedantic, as one must be on Avcanada, Nero fiddled while Rome burned about 400 years before it finally fell. That means we've got 400 years to make selfie sticks even worse!
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