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No Commercial Single Engine Ops

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Sailed to Union Island in the Grenadines a couple of weeks ago. Had to walk to the airport to clear in. This sign was posted in the terminal.

Single Engine not approved for Commercial Carriers.
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The wording makes it sound like an attempt to educate the flying public to not fall for paying for dodgy chisel charter flights.
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GyvAir wrote:The wording makes it sound like an attempt to educate the flying public to not fall for paying for dodgy chisel charter flights.
What's wrong with chartering something like a PC-12?
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It's illegal.
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Cessna 180 wrote:
GyvAir wrote:The wording makes it sound like an attempt to educate the flying public to not fall for paying for dodgy chisel charter flights.
What's wrong with chartering something like a PC-12?
Nothing wrong with chartering a PC-12, providing that it is commercially operated in accordance with local regulations.
"Chisel charter" refers to operating a non-commercially registered and maintained aircraft in a commerical manner. Doing so bypasses all the checks and balances in place that commerial operators have to abide by to ensure a standard of safety is maintained - along with the related expenses. Hence, the undercutting 'chisel' label.
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I could be off base here, but isn't an ops spec required to carry passengers SE in Canada? That would mean that it is essentially illegal to operate a commercial passenger service in a single engine airplane, without having the exemption in place.
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No. You need an OC to operate a commercial air service. But day VFR air taxi service in piston singles isn't unusual. And all flight training units can carry out sightseeing flights, again day VFR.

Single engine IFR operations is limited in practice to aircraft with a PT-6 turbine engine, because those are the only ones with a sufficiently high MTBF.
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photofly wrote:No. You need an OC to operate a commercial air service. But day VFR air taxi service in piston singles isn't unusual. And all flight training units can carry out sightseeing flights, again day VFR.

Single engine IFR operations is limited in practice to aircraft with a PT-6 turbine engine, because those are the only ones with a sufficiently high MTBF.
Just had a look, the ops spec (040) that I was thinking of only concerns passengers on board during aerial work (CAR 702.16)
So commercial ops from a to b are fine, but sightseeing, patrol, etc does not allow passengers on board without the ops spec in place.
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Lots of countries prohibit se commercial ops. Some also prohibit night VFR.
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GyvAir wrote:"Chisel charter" refers to operating a non-commercially registered and maintained aircraft in a commerical manner. Doing so bypasses all the checks and balances in place that commerial operators have to abide by to ensure a standard of safety is maintained - along with the related expenses. Hence, the undercutting 'chisel' label.

Kinda like Uber?
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Donald wrote:
GyvAir wrote:"Chisel charter" refers to operating a non-commercially registered and maintained aircraft in a commerical manner. Doing so bypasses all the checks and balances in place that commerial operators have to abide by to ensure a standard of safety is maintained - along with the related expenses. Hence, the undercutting 'chisel' label.

Kinda like Uber?
https://www.skyuber.com

Just googled it up for the fun of it... Seems someone has come up with that idea.

As Wallypilot said...
Single Engine commercial ops is not approved in all countries..
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So a nation of islands, prohibits commercial single engined float planes? a Twin otter only country? Seems counter intuitive no?
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