Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

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Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by single_swine_herder » Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:27 pm

Very interesting observation on the current government's inconsistent actions with regard to aviation manufacturing.

I like Rex Murphy a great deal. How he survives in the corporate culture atmosphere of the CBC HQ in Toronto is a mystery to me because he is generally completely out of step with the editorial position of the newsroom.

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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Moose47 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:04 pm

G'day

Too bad Rex is ready to pull the plug and head to the retirement pasture. He is a voice of reason in a sea of politically correct insanity.

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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by plhought » Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:21 pm

+1 if you read his column with his voice in your head.

Too much CCC...
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Rockie » Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:48 am

Not defending BBD because their record is indefensible, but they have a good product here and it would be criminal to throw away all the benefits set to flow from it at the 11th hour just because the oil industry is hurting now. They too benefitted from unnecessary subsidies for many years and were the only industry the previous government showed any interest in at all for ten long years. Their current woes stem solely from the global price of oil which is controlled by other governments and there's not a damn thing ours can do about it, but rest assured the price of oil will go up again. Oil's day in the sun will return and we can continue to give them unnecessary subsidies.

As for Rex's childish barb against environmentalists taking fuel burning airplanes to summits, build them one that doesn't burn fuel and they'll be happy to take it. It's one of many things they're trying to push the world to do after all.....
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Post by single_swine_herder » Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:25 pm

Childish barb from Rex Murphy?

He has a very firm grip on reality.
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Rockie » Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:02 pm

I like him too for the entertainment value, but did he rant about the oil patch subsidies when money was falling out of the sky for them? No. In fact he's a favoured speaker at oil patch events (likely for a fee) and is a prominent global climate change denier.

And it is a childish comment. How does he expect people to get overseas to press for change at various summits...swim?
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Moose47 » Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:19 pm

G'day

Perhaps Rex was eluding to private/corporate jets. You know like the type that fraud Al Gore takes.

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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Rockie » Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:20 pm

Environmental protesters don't travel via private jet. Why do you care if Al Gore is a fraud?
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by photofly » Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:08 pm

Rockie wrote:
As for Rex's childish barb against environmentalists taking fuel burning airplanes to summits, build them one that doesn't burn fuel and they'll be happy to take it. It's one of many things they're trying to push the world to do after all.....
Build a plane that doesn't burn fuel and we'll all be happy to take it. However, for those environmentalists who want to stop me from using aircraft that do burn fuel, I expect them to be leading the way by example.

I also expect people who campaign for higher taxes to voluntarily pay those higher taxes for which they advocate.

If it's good enough to force upon me, it's good enough for them, now.
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Rockie » Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:26 pm

photofly wrote:Build a plane that doesn't burn fuel and we'll all be happy to take it.
So you're an environmentalist then....
photofly wrote: However, for those environmentalists who want to stop me from using aircraft that do burn fuel, I expect them to be leading the way by example.
I haven't heard of those people, where and who are they?

When Manchester was going to build their second runway there was a group of people who camped out in caves on the site to prevent the work and they were successful for some time. But they weren't environmentalists, they could best be described as nimby's or just people who opposed any kind of progress. And if any did describe themselves as environmentalists they weren't about to get on an airplane going anywhere.
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by photofly » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:08 pm

Rockie wrote:
photofly wrote:Build a plane that doesn't burn fuel and we'll all be happy to take it.
So you're an environmentalist then....
If that's all it takes.
Rockie wrote:
photofly wrote: However, for those environmentalists who want to stop me from using aircraft that do burn fuel, I expect them to be leading the way by example.
I haven't heard of those people, where and who are they?
Try this bunch.
http://www.planestupid.com/aboutus
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Post by Rockie » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:47 pm

Those plane stupid people aren't environmentalists and I can't believe you think they are. They're the NIMBY's and people who oppose any kind of progress I mentioned before WRT Manchester.

How do those guys negate what climate science says anyway? Is NASA a bunch of crack pots?
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by cgzro » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:52 pm

And it is a childish comment. How does he expect people to get overseas to press for change at various summits...swim?
Not childish at all, hes pointing out the obvious hypocracy. Besides there are now fantastic teleconference systems available when you throw dedicated gigs of bandwidth at them via MPLS. They should be pushing companies world wide to use them and leading themselves by not allowing any further climate related conferences except remote. Climate change or not we in buisness/govt/research etc waste far too much time / money / resources travelling and I for one would be happy to give it up.
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Post by Rockie » Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:01 pm

Hah. Nothing like an envigorating teleconference to sway public opinion and political will. Too funny.
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by photofly » Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:02 pm

Rockie wrote:Those plane stupid people aren't environmentalists and I can't believe you think they are. They're the NIMBY's and people who oppose any kind of progress I mentioned before WRT Manchester.

How do those guys negate what climate science says anyway? Is NASA a bunch of crack pots?
They think they're environmentalists. That's good enough for me.
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Rockie » Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:08 pm

Lots of people here think they're climate scientists, but they're not.
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by cgzro » Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:16 pm

Rockie wrote:Hah. Nothing like an envigorating teleconference to sway public opinion and political will. Too funny.
Hah! Nothing like hypocracy to sway public opinion. Too sad and out of touch with reality.
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Rockie » Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:19 pm

What reality is that? NASA's or the Koch brothers?
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by awitzke » Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:46 pm

Rockie wrote:Environmental protesters don't travel via private jet. Why do you care if Al Gore is a fraud?
Leo Decaprio?

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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Gannet167 » Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:54 pm

Love or hate Rex, whether you get his sarcasm about the obvious hypocrisy of taking a fossil fuel burning plane to a climate change protest or not, he makes a very valid point about the East / West divide in the Canadian government playing favorites.

Ontario's auto manufacturing gets a bailout, Quebec's Bombardier gets (another) massive bailout (and hasn't paid back most of the previous ones over the decades), Alberta hits tough times and there's precious little we'll do. No one's accusing the Quebec aerospace workers of being irresponsible in good times. But Alberta oil workers are taking criticism for not saving for a rainy day. The PM says he doesn't want to "Cheer lead" for certain Canadian industries, but referee. Funny, he'll cheer lead for certain industries from certain parts of the country. He doesn't want to take a leadership role on pipelines - just for the industries that need what's in the pipeline (while we import oil from the middle east to maritime refineries). BC is about to take a kicking in softwood lumber. I won't hold my breath for a bailout for the loggers. Could it be because the election is decided by the time the polls close in Mississauga?

Of note, several well written articles detail how mismanaged Bombardier is right now, having screwed up many different major international projects. Normally, this demands some management change - particularly a normal condition of receiving big subsidies. In this case, the same mismanagement team is allowed to stay in place.

I am a big fan of Canadian built. I've flown several Bombardier products and really thought they were quite good. But at some level, a company has to be profitable - at least at some point in time, or it's not "industry," it's a government funded make work project. There's a good case for government getting capital/R&D intense industry up and running. Boeing probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for gov't subsidies and contracts either. But the time has come for this company to start making it on its own. Time to sever the umbilical cord.

I disagree with Rex on climate change. I completely agree with this article.
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by rigpiggy » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:56 am

Rockie wrote:Environmental protesters don't travel via private jet. Why do you care if Al Gore is a fraud?
David suzuki does and so does leo dicrapio
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Rockie » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:30 am

rigpiggy wrote:
Rockie wrote:Environmental protesters don't travel via private jet. Why do you care if Al Gore is a fraud?
David suzuki does and so does leo dicrapio
I doubt Suzuki does (he can't afford it), and Dicaprio is not an environmentalist, he's an actor. But who I'm really talking about are the climate scientists who actually know what they're talking about and the regular people trying to press their governments into being responsible.
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Flypilot » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:41 pm

David Suzuki does travel all around the world in a private jet.
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Re: Rex Murphy on Govt Policy toward Bombardier and Jet Fuel

Post by Rockie » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:50 pm

Flypilot wrote:David Suzuki does travel all around the world in a private jet.
Whose private jet?
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