American Airlines pilot arrested in Detroit

[atphat]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/american-airli ... d=37949289

Hope the link works.
Most surprisingly of all the FAA limit is 0.04?
Be careful on those layovers boys and girls.

[comanchepilot]

0.08 here isn't it? (of course respecting 8 hours, and "under the influence" clauses)

[200hr Wonder]

Not sure what the "limit" is here as there can be some BAC due to normal metabolic processes. If I recall the EU under JAA is 0.02 or so. The idea being you are sober, this is of course the point.

Also why many airlines WJ and AC for example have company policies of greater than 8 hours bottle to throttle.

[Nark]

Most 121 carriers have a company imposed BAC of 0.02 and a 12 hour bottle to throttle limit.
The FAA inspectors for each airline, signed off on it, thus making it the law of the respective company land.

The irony of an AA pilot getting busted is thick...

[nbinont]

CAR 602.03 No person shall act as a crew member of an aircraft
(a) within eight hours after consuming an alcoholic beverage;
(b) while under the influence of alcohol; or
(c) while using any drug that impairs the person’s faculties to the extent that the safety of the aircraft or of persons on board the aircraft is endangered in any way.

No explicit BAC limit for "under the influence" here in Canada - this can be interpreted strictly when a pilot appears to be under the influence: https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/ ... 1-2911.htm

[AvExpress]

Most 121 carriers have a company imposed BAC of 0.02 and a 12 hour bottle to throttle limit.
The FAA inspectors for each airline, signed off on it, thus making it the law of the respective company land.

The irony of an AA pilot getting busted is thick...

The irony is that fatigue is apparently ok. As we know fatigue has similar effects as being drunk (I forget off hand the numbers for say a full duty day). And there's been way more crashes due to fatigue. What I'm saying is it's a sin to have a BAC, and it's time TC and operators get off their arse and handle the next biggest sin and stop dragging the new duty rules.

[stef]

Interesting study I heard about recently measured simulator performance of pilots drunk vs hungover. Drunk pilots performed better. Something to consider for the young and dumb.

[Cessna 180]

CAR 602.03 No person shall act as a crew member of an aircraft
(a) within eight hours after consuming an alcoholic beverage;
(b) while under the influence of alcohol; or
(c) while using any drug that impairs the person’s faculties to the extent that the safety of the aircraft or of persons on board the aircraft is endangered in any way.

No explicit BAC limit for "under the influence" here in Canada - this can be interpreted strictly when a pilot appears to be under the influence: https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/ ... 1-2911.htm

But the Criminal Code prohibits alcohol over .08.

253 (1) Every one commits an offence who operates a motor vehicle or vessel or operates or assists in the operation of an aircraft or of railway equipment or has the care or control of a motor vehicle, vessel, aircraft or railway equipment, whether it is in motion or not,

(a) while the person’s ability to operate the vehicle, vessel, aircraft or railway equipment is impaired by alcohol or a drug; or

(b) having consumed alcohol in such a quantity that the concentration in the person’s blood exceeds eighty milligrams of alcohol in one hundred millilitres of blood.

Marginal note:For greater certainty

(2) For greater certainty, the reference to impairment by alcohol or a drug in paragraph (1)(a) includes impairment by a combination of alcohol and a drug.

[Nark]

Most 121 carriers have a company imposed BAC of 0.02 and a 12 hour bottle to throttle limit.
The FAA inspectors for each airline, signed off on it, thus making it the law of the respective company land.

The irony of an AA pilot getting busted is thick...

The irony is that fatigue is apparently ok. As we know fatigue has similar effects as being drunk (I forget off hand the numbers for say a full duty day). And there's been way more crashes due to fatigue. What I'm saying is it's a sin to have a BAC, and it's time TC and operators get off their arse and handle the next biggest sin and stop dragging the new duty rules.

Sadly it took the death of 50 people in Buffalo to get action, regarding fatigue -flight/Duty time.
However it only counts if you fly passengers. The cargo guys don't have the same rules as us. (Fedex, UPS etc...)

[bobcaygeon]

Most 121 carriers have a company imposed BAC of 0.02 and a 12 hour bottle to throttle limit.
The FAA inspectors for each airline, signed off on it, thus making it the law of the respective company land.

The irony of an AA pilot getting busted is thick...

The irony is that fatigue is apparently ok. As we know fatigue has similar effects as being drunk (I forget off hand the numbers for say a full duty day). And there's been way more crashes due to fatigue. What I'm saying is it's a sin to have a BAC, and it's time TC and operators get off their arse and handle the next biggest sin and stop dragging the new duty rules.

Sadly it took the death of 50 people in Buffalo to get action, regarding fatigue -flight/Duty time.
However it only counts if you fly passengers. The cargo guys don't have the same rules as us. (Fedex, UPS etc...)

Buffalo could still happen today with new regs as the crew chose to report fatigued because they commuted/slept in the crew room prior to check in. It still happens here in Canada. Company policies can only minimize this risk on company premises/aircraft.

[Nark]

Yes, point being though, the regs changed as a direct result of that crash.
Nevermind crews and medical studies for years saying fatigue is bad.

The shitty thing is the cargo guys, who could just as easily kill people on the ground (UPS in Birmingham comes to mind). But because it's just the pilots on board, no one in Congress cares. (Enough to pressure the FAA to include cargo dudes)