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Re: Airline Staff set to Tazer unruly passengers

Post by trey kule » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:29 pm

Just to be clear, we are talking about tazing pax, not other crew members, right?
Because it makes a difference whether I support it or not.

Quite amazing that someone can post fake news. Someone can post that it is fake, and people are still discussing it as if it is true!
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Post by Rookie50 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:59 pm

trey kule wrote:Just to be clear, we are talking about tazing pax, not other crew members, right?
Because it makes a difference whether I support it or not.

Quite amazing that someone can post fake news. Someone can post that it is fake, and people are still discussing it as if it is true!
Fake? I'm confused then, it's still there as of right now.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/27/asia/taser-korean-air/
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Post by Rockie » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:27 pm

Rookie50 wrote:I'm simply curious if a captain allowing these in the hands of their crew, would accept responsibility for this possibility, and resulting investigation.
Before a company would arm crew members they will have exhaustively researched and settled any liability issues, and they would have to do so to the pilots satisfaction. As well, restraining someone who doesn't want to be restrained is a very hands on activity which arguably carries more risk for everyone involved than just hitting them from five feet away with a taser. Remember the guy in the US a number of years ago who was killed by other passengers when he tried to access the flight deck?

But I still wouldn't support having them onboard in the hands of anybody who wasn't a highly trained security professional.
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Post by Old fella » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:43 pm

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Rookie50 wrote:I'm simply curious if a captain allowing these in the hands of their crew, would accept responsibility for this possibility, and resulting investigation.
Before a company would arm crew members they will have exhaustively researched and settled any liability issues, and they would have to do so to the pilots satisfaction. As well, restraining someone who doesn't want to be restrained is a very hands on activity which arguably carries more risk for everyone involved than just hitting them from five feet away with a taser. Remember the guy in the US a number of years ago who was killed by other passengers when he tried to access the flight deck?

But I still wouldn't support having them onboard in the hands of anybody who wasn't a highly trained security professional.
A lot of what I read about is intoxicated pax getting belligerent on flights towards cabin crew. Then again as an airline pilot you would certainly know more about this issue that I would so is the majority of pax incidents related to excess booze. If so,perhaps and not easy to do better screening of pax who seem to be a bit tipsy combined with loud behaviour is the trigger(no pun intended). As a pax myself I have seen a few who have quite a bit to drink while waiting. Maybe airlines start limiting booze on flights if they don't already.

Arming crew members with tasers, there has to be a better way I believe.
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Post by Rockie » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:08 am

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Rockie wrote:
Rookie50 wrote:I'm simply curious if a captain allowing these in the hands of their crew, would accept responsibility for this possibility, and resulting investigation.
Before a company would arm crew members they will have exhaustively researched and settled any liability issues, and they would have to do so to the pilots satisfaction. As well, restraining someone who doesn't want to be restrained is a very hands on activity which arguably carries more risk for everyone involved than just hitting them from five feet away with a taser. Remember the guy in the US a number of years ago who was killed by other passengers when he tried to access the flight deck?

But I still wouldn't support having them onboard in the hands of anybody who wasn't a highly trained security professional.
A lot of what I read about is intoxicated pax getting belligerent on flights towards cabin crew. Then again as an airline pilot you would certainly know more about this issue that I would so is the majority of pax incidents related to excess booze. If so,perhaps and not easy to do better screening of pax who seem to be a bit tipsy combined with loud behaviour is the trigger(no pun intended). As a pax myself I have seen a few who have quite a bit to drink while waiting. Maybe airlines start limiting booze on flights if they don't already.

Arming crew members with tasers, there has to be a better way I believe.
Alcohol exacerbates the problem no doubt but I don't think it is the problem. Besides, if alcohol were banned from aircraft problem passengers would just tank up before they get to the gate which they often already do anyway. It's the people who hide the fact they are belligerent a**holes until we are airborne that are the problem. Just the other day I was walking down to the aircraft (late) and passed an angry looking guy going the other way. The purser told me he was angry about a seat mixup and stalked off on his own saying he couldn't handle it. She didn't want him back and I completely agreed because anybody who is a problem before you even close the door is likely to get worse airborne.

Alcohol makes some happy people happier which isn't a problem. It makes some a**holes bigger a**holes which definitely is a problem and it's those people you want to leave behind.
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Post by CpnCrunch » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:55 am

trey kule wrote: Quite amazing that someone can post fake news. Someone can post that it is fake, and people are still discussing it as if it is true!
I don't think the Washington Post posts completely make-up stories...
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Post by trey kule » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:03 am

Probably not.
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Post by B208 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:28 am

CpnCrunch wrote:
At risk of stating the obvious (at least, obvious to everyone except you), Rockie wasn't equating capitalism with crime.
Really? Let's take a look at what he said:
3 piece suits rob you blind every minute of every day in countless imaginative ways without penalty and you aren't even aware of it. In fact people like you welcome it because you're programmed to by rejecting any regulations designed to protect you as socialist corruption.
So, according to Rockie, I'm getting robbed right now, as we speak. Now that leaves one of two possibilities; Either Rockie is delusional, and actually sees people in 3 piece suits taking his stuff, or he is speaking figuratively about the system. Our system is for the most part capitalist; Hence Rockie is calling capitalism crime.

There is a third possibility: Perhaps Rockie sent the Nigerian Prince his bank information and is now disgruntled that he hasn't received his payout.....
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Post by CpnCrunch » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:05 pm

B208 wrote: So, according to Rockie, I'm getting robbed right now, as we speak. Now that leaves one of two possibilities; Either Rockie is delusional, and actually sees people in 3 piece suits taking his stuff, or he is speaking figuratively about the system. Our system is for the most part capitalist; Hence Rockie is calling capitalism crime.

There is a third possibility: Perhaps Rockie sent the Nigerian Prince his bank information and is now disgruntled that he hasn't received his payout.....
No. You must be very naive or have no idea about the financial system. You are being robbed, mostly indirectly. All the people scamming Canada Revenue causing you to have to pay more tax. People like Goldman Sachs who defrauded investors and precipitated the subprime mortgage crisis and the US and Canadian recession. And all the Russian hackers who try to steal your bank information every time you log on to the internet. Then there are all the fraudsters like Madoff, Martha Stewart, Conrad Black, etc. who defraud millions of investors every day.
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Post by Rookie50 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:38 pm

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B208 wrote: So, according to Rockie, I'm getting robbed right now, as we speak. Now that leaves one of two possibilities; Either Rockie is delusional, and actually sees people in 3 piece suits taking his stuff, or he is speaking figuratively about the system. Our system is for the most part capitalist; Hence Rockie is calling capitalism crime.

There is a third possibility: Perhaps Rockie sent the Nigerian Prince his bank information and is now disgruntled that he hasn't received his payout.....
No. You must be very naive or have no idea about the financial system. You are being robbed, mostly indirectly. All the people scamming Canada Revenue causing you to have to pay more tax. People like Goldman Sachs who defrauded investors and precipitated the subprime mortgage crisis and the US and Canadian recession. And all the Russian hackers who try to steal your bank information every time you log on to the internet. Then there are all the fraudsters like Madoff, Martha Stewart, Conrad Black, etc. who defraud millions of investors every day.
Interesting. Please tell us how exactly Goldman Sachs created the subprime crisis and recession.
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Post by CpnCrunch » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:56 pm

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Interesting. Please tell us how exactly Goldman Sachs created the subprime crisis and recession.
See for example

http://fortune.com/2016/04/11/goldman-s ... ettlement/

I'd recommend watching "The Big Short" if you haven't already.
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Post by Rookie50 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:11 pm

CpnCrunch wrote:
Rookie50 wrote:
Interesting. Please tell us how exactly Goldman Sachs created the subprime crisis and recession.
See for example

http://fortune.com/2016/04/11/goldman-s ... ettlement/

I'd recommend watching "The Big Short" if you haven't already.
I'd suggest reading the book. Same name.

I'm in that business. Fraud, yes, and they had company there, absolutely true. I'm no Goldman cheerleader.

However --

Tell me again, how Goldman actually Caused the financial crisis. That's a whole different kettle of fish. I'm interested.

Tell me how exactly, Goldman.....

1) pressured the US government to pressure lenders to lower lending standards, which the government did as a misquided social policy,
2) made the primary lenders agree to lower such standards, risking their banks,
3) told mom and pop homebuyer to take on crazy mortgages they could never afford, (there's that pesky individual responsibilty)
4) forced the ratings agencies to rate the mortgage bonds triple A (debatable point)

Lots of blame to go around. It was going to happen with or without Goldman, in any event.
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Post by CpnCrunch » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:29 pm

Rookie50 wrote: Interesting. Please tell us how exactly Goldman Sachs created the subprime crisis and recession.
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Sure, they didn't have sole responsibility, but they certainly had a large share of the blame.
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Post by Rookie50 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:47 pm

CpnCrunch wrote:
Rookie50 wrote: Interesting. Please tell us how exactly Goldman Sachs created the subprime crisis and recession.
Sure, they didn't have sole responsibility, but they certainly had a large share of the blame.[/quote]

Read the book, really. Better than a Grisham novel.
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Post by Rockie » Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:54 pm

Of course it wasn't just Goldman Sachs, but they were front and center in the sub-prime disaster, and now they have marquee billing in the next disaster. The financial industry gets phenomenally wealthy because they can manipulate interest rates and markets through techniques far beyond the few that have been reported, and are infinitely beyond the understanding of laypeople like me and you. Yes B208, you are getting robbed blind by people way smarter than you with access and control over financial instruments designed to take money from your pocket and put it in theirs. Wake the hell up dupe.

By the way, the latest worst is coming to light a full 3 weeks before the idiot takes office. In case anyone was wondering, this is what real treason in the face of an attack looks like from a narcissist childishly easy to manipulate by simple nice words from a tyrant. Unf**king believable.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12 ... smart.html
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Post by SuperchargedRS » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:00 pm

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Speaking of attitude issues... nice respect for the flight crew there buddy. Some Stew? And why would "some stew" be inclined to taze your "chick?" Why would a flight crew member do such a thing? I'm pretty sure it's not because of a respectful exchange of ideas or expression of concern. I am curious what, exactly, you would do that would prove to be such bad news? Would you begin a physical confrontation on an aircraft with a crew member? How do you feel that would end for you? Or do you mean you would use legal channels to address the issue?
Some stewardess, not sure how that's disrespectful, you one of those sensitive "PC" types?

You also missed the whole part about me not seeing myself getting into that situation in the first place.

Based on the fact that I don't do stupid stuff, nor do the people I spend my time with, if someone assaulted me or mine, I would do whatever was needed to stop the threat, I wouldn't watch or video my family being attacked and just say "immmmmm going call my lawyer", nope.



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SuperchargedRS wrote: sadly poor folks aren't raised right for the most part, so you end up with people acting a damn fool.
That is one of the most disrespectful things I have ever seen written here. I take it you must come from some level of wealth that places you far above the masses? Historically, the rich used to run over the poor in their carriages and just keep going because the poor were considered no more human than a rodent or a piece of disposable garbage... I guess the world looked pretty nice from inside those carriages. Being so civilized and enlightened must be a terrible burden carried by the chosen ones who were born to the proper families.
If thats the most disrespectful thing you're seen, you got to get out more. I feel sorry for the new age folks who strive so hard to never be "offended"

I get that mindset from working with poor folk, I was a teacher at a NGO for a few years, and yeah, like it or not, some stereotypes have a real origin, and poor folks tend to raise their kids for crap, some are great folks, most of the great ones tend to end up pulling themselves out of that pit, many others just attach themselves onto the govt tit and really drag society down.

And it's not a burden living with some self respect, it's actually quite nice, I don't have a heart attack every time I see a cop, I don't have "drama", life's good.
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Post by Rockie » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:42 pm

SuperchargedRS wrote:Based on the fact that I don't do stupid stuff, nor do the people I spend my time with, if someone assaulted me or mine, I would do whatever was needed to stop the threat, I wouldn't watch or video my family being attacked and just say "immmmmm going call my lawyer", nope.
Why do you assume you and your family would be tasered if you're not doing stupid stuff? Just curious.

Another thought, being tasered for no reason seems to be a pretty "non-PC" thing so I'd have thought you'd be all over that...
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Post by SuperchargedRS » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:35 pm

Your reading comprehension needs some major work bud.
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Post by Rockie » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:56 am

I'm guessing if "some stew ever tries to taze your chick" it'll be deserved.
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Post by SuperchargedRS » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:12 am

Rockie wrote:I'm guessing if "some stew ever tries to taze your chick" it'll be deserved.

Spoken like a true government "mother may I" socialist. Heck I bet if they said they need to do a full cavity search on your own mother, on live TV, you'd probably say the same thing :goodman:
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Post by 2R » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:34 am

If they made it pay per view ,they might make more money from that , then the airport parking fees or extra charges for using the overhead bins :)

The threat of releasing combat gerbils and hamsters in a confined space might be more of a deterrence than a single shot tazer . The great big bull prod would be better for cattle class travellers ,although the mess that a cattle prod can make in a humans pants might limit its use . Even though they are great for crowd control ,just the sight and sound of the sparks can relax the bowels on some folk :)
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Post by B208 » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:34 pm

Rockie wrote:Of course it wasn't just Goldman Sachs, but they were front and center in the sub-prime disaster, and now they have marquee billing in the next disaster. The financial industry gets phenomenally wealthy because they can manipulate interest rates and markets through techniques far beyond the few that have been reported, and are infinitely beyond the understanding of laypeople like me and you. Yes B208, you are getting robbed blind by people way smarter than you with access and control over financial instruments designed to take money from your pocket and put it in theirs. Wake the hell up dupe.

By the way, the latest worst is coming to light a full 3 weeks before the idiot takes office. In case anyone was wondering, this is what real treason in the face of an attack looks like from a narcissist childishly easy to manipulate by simple nice words from a tyrant. Unf**king believable.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12 ... smart.html
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's fun wathcing you come unglued.
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Post by Rockie » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:55 pm

I'm betting in a year or two you won't be having as much fun, if not before. Depends how long it takes for the Republicans to grow a spine and some ethics.
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Post by B208 » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:20 pm

We should start a pool on which happens first; Trump's impeachment; Trump's assassination; Or Rockie's Stroke. :mrgreen:
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Post by Rockie » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:44 am

B208 wrote:We should start a pool on which happens first; Trump's impeachment; Trump's assassination; Or Rockie's Stroke. :mrgreen:
Impeachment beginning at 12:01 ET January 20th would be the best possible attempted salvaging of the most self-debasing episode in US history.

Assassination would be the worst that could happen.

Don't hold your breath waiting for my stroke. You clearly don't know the difference between resolve and rage.
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