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Kenn Borek Air Info

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Hello Everyone!

Curious to find out what KBALs been hiring at lately, Mostly looking into them for their contracts in Antarctica. any info would be greatly appreciated. Hours required, gravel time, floats, pay, etc. Thanks!
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Yeah I'd like to know too. And I'd like to have an idea of what they ask for hours for the Twotter or basler FO.

I've sent them a few emails asking that question, and attached my resume, but never got an answer.
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Same question for me!
It's very difficult to have serious information about this company...
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The requirements could well be a moving target depending on season, upgrades etc. Don't over analyse, just apply showing how you have worked somewhere other than a big city. Hell, it doesn't even cost a stamp any more.
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Helps to show up in person too... If you can, get out to their YYC base and apply in person.
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You guys can PM me for info
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Anyone have more current info? Dispatch wait time, etc? I'll be out of Uni in a couple months as another 250 wonder.
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RocksAndProps wrote:Anyone have more current info? Dispatch wait time, etc? I'll be out of Uni in a couple months as another 250 wonder.
Recently the dispatchers have been getting PPCs after around 7-10 months.
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GreenBastrd wrote:You guys can PM me for info
Unable to PM for some reason.
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Sorry Guys/Gals, no longer active with the company. Not sure what they're up too recently especially with the industry wide movement.
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I'm pretty sure they are hiring just like everyone else, but don't work there myself so can't say much about current pay and conditions. Great place to work if you want to see the world!
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For a young pilot looking to see where aviation can take you (especially in the early years of your career), KBA would be hard to beat. I no longer work there but I imagine they're having a hard time keeping guys just like everyone else. That being said I'm sure there will always be a core few who stay on forever because they just love the work. I envy them to a certain degree.

I wouldn't recommend going there if you only hope to punch your ticket and move on. If you're looking to fast track your way to 705, take any number of those King Air jobs where you can get upgraded within a year. Upgrades at Borek take F O R E V E R . This is mainly due to just how specialised they are and the demanding environments they operate in. Now perhaps under pressure they may have lowered the requirements (at your risk), but when I was there an FO required an ATPL and 3000+ hours. That takes a while, but what's a while when you're flying for one of the best bush operators in the world?!

Meatservo said it best back in 2015.. with more relevance today than ever before!
I will be the stereotypical wet-blanket type of old person here. You have asked all the wrong questions. You young fellers always want to rush headlong into the very first job you can get that gives you the coveted "captain" position. Well there are captains and then there are Captains. If you spend the earlier part of your career doing things the hard way, it will pay off down the road in spades. I recommend Kenn Borek. I recommend telling them you want the hardest, dirtiest job you can get. I recommend learning to fly a plane using the manual flight controls, over and over again year-in and year-out until you're genuinely better at steering the ship than the god-damned flight guidance computer. I recommend learning how to look up to senior pilots, rather than just taking the quickest way to having the same uniform as they do. I recommend learning how to navigate. I recommend flying in different places around the world. I recommend learning some humility and some wisdom before presuming to be the "pilot in command" of a ship that has innocent people in it. I recommend not letting ambition make a mockery of your purposeful toil. Live a life you can be proud of.

Or take the easy way. Whatever.
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You can PM me for current info. Pretty much agree with Mr. North though.
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Hmmmm, there SOP's don't allow a co-pilot to reject a Takeoff.......if two crew is your thing, this might not be a place for you
Pretty standard for 705 - captain always does the reject - anyone can call a failure but captain calls and does the reject and assumes control of he is non flying pilot.

Several things come into play that support this. Control of aircraft, noise wheel steering captain's side, maintaining same duties for all crew on ground operations and same checklist calls and duties. So yes captain's reject makes sense.
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Mr. North wrote:For a young pilot looking to see where aviation can take you (especially in the early years of your career), KBA would be hard to beat. I no longer work there but I imagine they're having a hard time keeping guys just like everyone else. That being said I'm sure there will always be a core few who stay on forever because they just love the work. I envy them to a certain degree.

I wouldn't recommend going there if you only hope to punch your ticket and move on. If you're looking to fast track your way to 705, take any number of those King Air jobs where you can get upgraded within a year. Upgrades at Borek take F O R E V E R . This is mainly due to just how specialised they are and the demanding environments they operate in. Now perhaps under pressure they may have lowered the requirements (at your risk), but when I was there an FO required an ATPL and 3000+ hours. That takes a while, but what's a while when you're flying for one of the best bush operators in the world?!

Meatservo said it best back in 2015.. with more relevance today than ever before!
I will be the stereotypical wet-blanket type of old person here. You have asked all the wrong questions. You young fellers always want to rush headlong into the very first job you can get that gives you the coveted "captain" position. Well there are captains and then there are Captains. If you spend the earlier part of your career doing things the hard way, it will pay off down the road in spades. I recommend Kenn Borek. I recommend telling them you want the hardest, dirtiest job you can get. I recommend learning to fly a plane using the manual flight controls, over and over again year-in and year-out until you're genuinely better at steering the ship than the god-damned flight guidance computer. I recommend learning how to look up to senior pilots, rather than just taking the quickest way to having the same uniform as they do. I recommend learning how to navigate. I recommend flying in different places around the world. I recommend learning some humility and some wisdom before presuming to be the "pilot in command" of a ship that has innocent people in it. I recommend not letting ambition make a mockery of your purposeful toil. Live a life you can be proud of.

Or take the easy way. Whatever.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT! A captain position is not what I want! Its the kind of flying!
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I thought all you need was a pulse lol
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Referencing their ad for BE20 skippers up at the moment, where do they operate? Ad mentions it's rotational, what's the on/off schedule?
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valleyboy wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:22 am
Hmmmm, there SOP's don't allow a co-pilot to reject a Takeoff.......if two crew is your thing, this might not be a place for you
Pretty standard for 705 - captain always does the reject - anyone can call a failure but captain calls and does the reject and assumes control of he is non flying pilot.

Several things come into play that support this. Control of aircraft, noise wheel steering captain's side, maintaining same duties for all crew on ground operations and same checklist calls and duties. So yes captain's reject makes sense.
Same at my 703/4/5 company. And also, having flown a Twin Otter, the nose wheel tiller bar being on the captains side definitely backs up the captain only reject.

Always wanted to do Borek, but life took different directions. Have a classmate who did it, and he loves it.
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indieadventurer wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:31 pm Referencing their ad for BE20 skippers up at the moment, where do they operate? Ad mentions it's rotational, what's the on/off schedule?
Bear in mind I haven't worked there in over a year....but change is something that happens at a glacial pace at KBA...

The only Kingair base was (is?) CYEV. I am aware they experimented with a 200 in YFB this summer but the experiment has ended.
If you are rotating to YEV, you MUST live west of Winnipeg.

Rotations depend on contract (as with so many other things at KBA)
Medevac is 14 days on/14 days off
Sched/Charter is 3 weeks on/3 weeks off

I hear that the sched work on the 200 has slowed down significantly with the opening of the Tuk highway.

The Beech has always been the redheaded step-child of the Borek fleet, and with the exception of the Medevac bird, I can easily envisage it's removal and retirement.

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