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Chartright Paiggio questions

#1 Post by Crazy_Canuck » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:43 pm

I noticed that chartright posted a job ad for flight crew on the piaggio, I was wondering if anyone had any info on schedule, bonds, pay ect. Just the regular stuff.
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Re: Chartright Paiggio questions

#2 Post by Chartright » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:39 am

Training bond is $26300.00 CAD prorated over 24 months at rate of 1095.83 per 30 day period

Salary for Captain is 70K per year and FO 40K per year

300-350 hours per year with a mix of owner and charter flights
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#3 Post by Bede » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:25 am

You'd be nuts to pay a bond like that now for that pay.

Lots of 703 are paying around $100k with no bond these days.
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Re: Chartright Paiggio questions

#4 Post by Chartright » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:54 am

The bond is only paid if you leave and it is prorated. 300 hours per year sounds better than 1000 per year
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#5 Post by Yycjetdriver » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:06 pm

Chartright wrote:The bond is only paid if you leave and it is prorated. 300 hours per year sounds better than 1000 per year
Hours are irrelevant if you're stuck in your base/tied to your phone 28 days a month. I'd rather 1200 hours and have a set schedule/ reliable days off. But maybe that's why you failed to respond to the schedule part of the original posters question.
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#6 Post by digits_ » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:07 pm

Bede wrote: Lots of 703 are paying around $100k with no bond these days.
There are a few medevac operators like that, but "lots"? Do you have a list?
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#7 Post by FL-280 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:09 pm

I love this hole shortage thing.... :wink: :twisted: :twisted:
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#8 Post by AWOS » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:16 pm

Chartright wrote:Training bond is $26300.00 CAD prorated over 24 months at rate of 1095.83 per 30 day period

Salary for Captain is 70K per year and FO 40K per year

300-350 hours per year with a mix of owner and charter flights

Hard pass. There are way better options than that right now.
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Re: Chartright Paiggio questions

#9 Post by Rebel99 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:04 pm

FL-280 wrote:I love this hole shortage thing.... :wink: :twisted: :twisted:

There's a shortage of holes? Or, did you mean whole shortage?
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Re: Chartright Paiggio questions

#10 Post by co-joe » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:33 pm

For YYC that's pretty good pay. I wouldn't take it but SW and NCA pay less than 60K for twin turbine captains (jet/dash carrot dangle), and CMA and GGN pay less than 50K (PML/airline carrot dangle).


there may be a shortage of holes (whatever that means) but YYC is still in a depression. 100 000 people on EI...
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Re: Chartright Paiggio questions

#11 Post by goingnowherefast » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:29 am

Chartright wrote:The bond is only paid if you leave and it is prorated. 300 hours per year sounds better than 1000 per year
The bond also ties you there financially if you don't like the job. It allows employers to be less than pleasant to work for because they know the employees can't afford to quit. I know several guys who hate their jobs and dread going into work. They're absolutely miserable and constantly stressed, but they can't leave because of the bond. I was in a similar situation once. It actually got to the point where I was fired, and suddenly I was a much happier person.

Do you want to be that type of employer? Or would you prefer employees be able to leave if they dislike the work environment?

Disclaimer: I know nothing of Chartright. I observe the types of companies with nasty bonds and the accompanying work environment they provide
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Re: Chartright Paiggio questions

#12 Post by Bede » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:09 am

digits_ wrote:
Bede wrote: Lots of 703 are paying around $100k with no bond these days.
There are a few medevac operators like that, but "lots"? Do you have a list?
List from Thunder Bay only (rumour only):
Thunder
Ornge
North Star Air
Air Bravo
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Re: Chartright Paiggio questions

#13 Post by West peak » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:02 pm

Well I have to give Chartright a thumbs up for at least coming on this forum and giving more details out than they would perhaps normally.

However to the original poster, if it helps, have it on good authority that both current crew members have just quit within days/ weeks of each other (maybe a red flag) and as a 2 crew machine you'll be on a 14 and 3 schedule, or put a different way, you are on call for about 300 days a year. That's 300 days that you can't plan to do anything. Yes you might only fly 300-350 hours a year, but when your day consists of flying an hour or two and waiting around all day for an hour or two flight back, it can take a while to build up.

If you're a low time guy, look for somewhere that builds time fast. This, or any other type of management outfit is not the place for time building, and without it you can forget about any upgrades.
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Re: Chartright Paiggio questions

#14 Post by garfield » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:33 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Chartright wrote:The bond is only paid if you leave and it is prorated. 300 hours per year sounds better than 1000 per year
The bond also ties you there financially if you don't like the job. It allows employers to be less than pleasant to work for because they know the employees can't afford to quit. I know several guys who hate their jobs and dread going into work. They're absolutely miserable and constantly stressed, but they can't leave because of the bond. I was in a similar situation once. It actually got to the point where I was fired, and suddenly I was a much happier person.

Do you want to be that type of employer? Or would you prefer employees be able to leave if they dislike the work environment?

Disclaimer: I know nothing of Chartright. I observe the types of companies with nasty bonds and the accompanying work environment they provide
If it's so bad, I would rather declare bankrupt than stay there...
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#15 Post by FL-280 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:57 pm

Rebel99 wrote:
FL-280 wrote:I love this hole shortage thing.... :wink: :twisted: :twisted:

There's a shortage of holes? Or, did you mean whole shortage?
Now that you put in that way..... both!!
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#16 Post by Yycjetdriver » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:53 am

goingnowherefast wrote:
Chartright wrote:The bond is only paid if you leave and it is prorated. 300 hours per year sounds better than 1000 per year
The bond also ties you there financially if you don't like the job. It allows employers to be less than pleasant to work for because they know the employees can't afford to quit. I know several guys who hate their jobs and dread going into work. They're absolutely miserable and constantly stressed, but they can't leave because of the bond. I was in a similar situation once. It actually got to the point where I was fired, and suddenly I was a much happier person.

Do you want to be that type of employer? Or would you prefer employees be able to leave if they dislike the work environment?

Disclaimer: I know nothing of Chartright. I observe the types of companies with nasty bonds and the accompanying work environment they provide
Bingo! That's exactly why Chartright will never drop bonds no matter how short they are. They'll dangle the only 300 ish hours a year carrot, which may distract some naive people from the terrible 14/3 schedule. But once you're on site and realize the only days off that you can rely on for planning purposes is only 10 vacation days, as they won't allow you to combine them with your scheduled days off, which will be moved however they see fit with zero notice, people get fed up and want to leave. Heck if your spouse or significant other gets what most companies see as the bare minimum vacation, you as a Chartright pilot wouldn't even be able to join them for them for the full 2 weeks. But I'm sure they'll appreciate you sitting around the house phone in hand, or your random unexpected/unplanned days off in the middle of the week.
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#17 Post by co-joe » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:16 am

I still don't understand the legality of 2 year bonds for 2 separate 1 year PPC's. If you quit after 12 months they can make you pay for training you haven't received yet?
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Re: Chartright Paiggio questions

#18 Post by skymarc » Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:04 am

How do they come up a cost $26300 for initial training + a recurrent on a Piaggio?

Chartright wrote:Training bond is $26300.00 CAD prorated over 24 months at rate of 1095.83 per 30 day period

Salary for Captain is 70K per year and FO 40K per year

300-350 hours per year with a mix of owner and charter flights
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#19 Post by cdnpilot77 » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:54 pm

Sim course, Flights, hotels and per diems x2. All encompassing, it's probably pretty accurate for actual costs.
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#20 Post by Hayseed » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:08 pm

Is the 14 and 3 schedule mentioned above (on call for about 300 days a year) a typical schedule at Chartright?
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#21 Post by Zaibatsu » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:57 am

No response back from Chartright?

I fly 800 hours a year, but I get 15 days off a month. Hard pass if it's 300 per year tied to cell and sobriety. :drinkers:
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#22 Post by Cessna 180 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:21 am

Anyone get a call back from them? Or the King Air in Regina?
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#23 Post by Yycjetdriver » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:06 pm

Cessna 180 wrote:Anyone get a call back from them? Or the King Air in Regina?
Probably several people. It usually takes about 5 offers before someone accepts their WAWCON.
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#24 Post by mmm..bacon » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:39 pm

co-joe wrote:For YYC that's pretty good pay. I wouldn't take it but SW and NCA pay less than 60K for twin turbine captains (jet/dash carrot dangle), and CMA and GGN pay less than 50K (PML/airline carrot dangle).


there may be a shortage of holes (whatever that means) but YYC is still in a depression. 100 000 people on EI...
'Sept it aint YYC - it's YYZ! And how much is a house/apartment within a reasonable drive from YYZ nowadays?
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#25 Post by co-joe » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:27 pm

mmm..bacon wrote:
co-joe wrote:For YYC that's pretty good pay. I wouldn't take it but SW and NCA pay less than 60K for twin turbine captains (jet/dash carrot dangle), and CMA and GGN pay less than 50K (PML/airline carrot dangle).


there may be a shortage of holes (whatever that means) but YYC is still in a depression. 100 000 people on EI...
'Sept it aint YYC - it's YYZ! And how much is a house/apartment within a reasonable drive from YYZ nowadays?
Yeah I didn't really RTFQ. I would think Chartright has one pay scale country wide.
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