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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:57 am 
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One of the most expensive airports in the world apparently.

Has anybody noticed how often the moving sidewalks don't work. I have observed this for quite a while. Not a big deal for me but for someone with walking difficulties, a real problem.

So I arrive the other day at a distant gate for the walk to customs. Not only is that super high speed and very long moving walkway not operating but all three of the shorter ones parallel to it are not moving either. On the way to the car rental, one of two walkways is not operating. 5 of 6 moving walkways I encountered are not operating.

What a joke.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:04 am 
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pelmet wrote:
One of the most expensive airports in the world apparently.

...Not a big deal for me...
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What a joke.


Apparently it is a big deal for you. And of all things that's wrong with the GTAA, this would be at the bottom of the list that should be of yours or anyones concern.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:19 am 
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What Pelmet may be trying to say is this: We are getting tired of taxpayers money and money put into aviation infrastructure being used for other purposes or being wasted or outright criminal misuses! The NDP and greens were adamantly against pay-to-play dinners and golf tournaments and vowed to enact legislation to stop the corruption,,,, what are they doing with the $550.00/plate dinner now and the golf tournament? They are all crooks and liars !!!!!


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One of the most expensive airports in the world apparently.

...Not a big deal for me...
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What a joke.


Apparently it is a big deal for you. And of all things that's wrong with the GTAA, this would be at the bottom of the list that should be of yours or anyones concern.


As I stated, it is no big deal for me. I usually walk instead of taking the moving sidewalk wherever I go as I need what little exercise it gives. But, I just read an article in the U.S. about how savvy US fliers are taking AC instead of American carriers. When I see stuff like this, I wonder of AC is on the airports ass complaining about this sort of thing.

You obviously are unable to comprehend how difficult it is for some people to walk long distances. Right now, it is near the bottom of the list for me. But it is likely near the top of the list for many people and can quickly become the top of the list for any one of us when an injury changes things. I would hope that most people realize this.

Bottom line, I like the idea of Canadian aviation doing well with AC's strategy of using their hubs to transport American pax. Repeated issues like this convince some pax to avoid which is poor business practice. Stuff like the moving walkway issue annoys me on behalf of those pax needing them and those persons being employed in the industry because of this strategy.

I guess I just care. You should too.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:58 am 
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What Pelmet may be trying to say is this: We are getting tired of taxpayers money and money put into aviation infrastructure being used for other purposes or being wasted or outright criminal misuses! The NDP and greens were adamantly against pay-to-play dinners and golf tournaments and vowed to enact legislation to stop the corruption,,,, what are they doing with the $550.00/plate dinner now and the golf tournament? They are all crooks and liars !!!!!


The greens and NDP have never been in power at the federal level, and therefore have never had the ability to enact any legislation of any kind - politics 101. Maybe you're raging at the wrong target?

Regarding that (cough, cough) high speed moving sidewalk going toward Customs, it has hardly ever functioned in the ten years the terminal has been there. They'd be better off tearing it out and putting down carpet, it's as fast a walk as that piece of junk and way more comfortable on the feet.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:08 am 
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Please no more carpeted long walks.. The roller bags make the walk on carpet twice as much work.

For long walks Frankfurt has to be the worst but all the NA and Europen airports pale compared to a modern asian airport.



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Please no more carpeted long walks.. The roller bags make the walk on carpet twice as much work.

For long walks Frankfurt has to be the worst but all the NA and Europen airports pale compared to a modern asian airport.


But the bus ride from the remote parking gate to the terminal can be very enjoyable as you scoot by all those widebody jets. Wasn't impressed with the hour long customs wait at FRA the other day though. 30 second wait(literally) for the EU passport holders with their automated passport control.

Back to YYZ.....why don't they at least fix the slow speed walkways. Imagine the walk for an elderly pax or someone with a sprained ankle.



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LHR is the worst. If you want to get from terminal 2 to terminal 5 (for example) it's something ridiculous like a 15 min walk, followed by a bus journey, followed by another 15 min walk.

YVR can also be a bit ridiculous if you're transferring from international to domestic. My wife pointed out that after walking for 15 mins and going through the security circus again, we were right next to where we started. Then it's another 15 mins walk to get to the gate.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:19 am 
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Do we even need to mention the absolute abortion that is the new terminal at YYC? Aside from
Walkways being constantly broken, the "swing gates" often aren't configured properly, leaving people trapped in the hamster maze of corridors, long walks through bland sterile hallways that make an asylum look like a fun place to be. Serious lack of windows or interior lighting. The stupid "dink link" shuttle sharing space with pedestrians who I see almost get hit on a weekly basis (nevermind that it only runs through half the airport.) absolutely zero seating at many departure bridges as many people don't understand the "call to gate" concept. But even if you do stay in the shopping and dining areas, you're limited to about 3 flavours of extremely overpriced restaurants with garbage service.

What drives me nuts, is because of their stupid "tubs and trays" arrangement in the bag room, you'll often have inbound baggage delayed over an hour while they wait for more trays to be emptied. Do any passengers blame the farce that is the YYC airport authority for that? Of course not. It's now Air Canada's fault that the bags are late in their eyes.



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Puhhhhhhlease.

The car that picked us up at our plane yesterday had the air conditioning cranked, so I politely asked the driver to open his window and turn down the ac. He felt really bad about it, but I told him not to worry about it.



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Please have you guys been into YUL these days. They are using PTVs!

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LHR is the worst. If you want to get from terminal 2 to terminal 5 (for example) it's something ridiculous like a 15 min walk, followed by a bus journey, followed by another 15 min walk.


But there are three long moving walkways on that long T2 walk and they have always worked when I have been there. YYZ is a joke in comparison.



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jpilot77 wrote:
Please have you guys been into YUL these days. They are using PTVs!

I don't know what is happening but we are often over capacity these days. Storms didn't help and gate availability in the evenings has been really restricted.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:21 am 
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I don't know what is happening but we are often over capacity these days. Storms didn't help and gate availability in the evenings has been really restricted.


There's not much room left in YUL, I've heard rumors that they will be building a new terminal where the old Canada post hangers used to be.
I think we are seeing the consequences of shutting down Mirabel and shifting everything to Dorval. In the long run the opposite should have happened.


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I don't know what is happening but we are often over capacity these days. Storms didn't help and gate availability in the evenings has been really restricted.


There's not much room left in YUL, I've heard rumors that they will be building a new terminal where the old Canada post hangers used to be.
I think we are seeing the consequences of shutting down Mirabel and shifting everything to Dorval. In the long run the opposite should have happened.


I know about the gate issues. I am ATC in YUL just don't know where all this traffic came from. I guess airlines are expanding into YUL since we rarely have delays like YYZ does. They are building new park areas near the de-ice and RWY 10-28 to park aircaft. I haven't heard of a new terminal but it would make sense. As an ATC'er YMX would of been a way better operation. Not like we had a choice in the matter.



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What would have made YMX a better option? Not disagreeing, just curious what makes it better from a controller point of view?


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What would have made YMX a better option? Not disagreeing, just curious what makes it better from a controller point of view?


YMX has a lot of area to expand with a runway layout like YEG. The terminal "was" in between the 2 runways like YEG but at YUL it's stuck at the end of the airport. YUL is landlocked by roads on all sides and has no room to expand. The terminal keeps getting redone but is still a dump in my opinion. Narrow hallways. Constantly broken escalators, smelly washrooms etc. Ironic that Turdo Sr. wanted to make YMX the main airport but once he croaked they named the airport he wanted phased out after him. :rolleyes:



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crazyaviator wrote:
What Pelmet may be trying to say is this: We are getting tired of taxpayers money and money put into aviation infrastructure being used for other purposes or being wasted or outright criminal misuses! The NDP and greens were adamantly against pay-to-play dinners and golf tournaments and vowed to enact legislation to stop the corruption,,,, what are they doing with the $550.00/plate dinner now and the golf tournament? They are all crooks and liars !!!!!


This thread is about PEARSON airport - which, last time I checked, is in Ontario. NDP &Green fundraisers are happening in BC - two different parts of the country.

Lay off the bong, man!



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:18 am 
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Worst part about Pearson is the escalators not working very often... how come I almost never see an escalator at a mall broken but always a few at the airport. PS the T1 guys should spend some time in T3 they will feel blessed lol


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T3, nuff said!!!

You feel bad for people having to walk. Come to T3 at YYZ and all will be good in the world again.



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Alcoholism wrote:
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One of the most expensive airports in the world apparently.

...Not a big deal for me...
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What a joke.


Apparently it is a big deal for you. And of all things that's wrong with the GTAA, this would be at the bottom of the list that should be of yours or anyones concern.


Chill out and have a drink Alky. For a dude with difficulty walking, unserviceable moving side walks are a big concern, especially when one considers how much of an improvement fee the airport charges.



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PostmasterGeneral wrote:
What would have made YMX a better option? Not disagreeing, just curious what makes it better from a controller point of view?

Runway layout permitting expansion for parallels. Real high speed taxiways. Ultra long runways and since the terminal is/was in the middle of the airport we don't have to sort the aircraft in the air like we do in YUL. Aircraft going to transborder gates that land 24L screw up the flow on the ground. Also space to expand all facilities.



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Yes. You wait 20 minutes for a marshaller to bring the plane the last 20 feet to the gate, the moving sidewalk doesn't work or when it does there are retards standing across the entire width so no one can get by, you stand in line at immigration for 45 minutes, floors and carpets are filthy, bathrooms are disgusting, you go stand outside for 45 minutes in an unheated shelter breathing exhaust fumes waiting for your hotel shuttle driver who probably just arrived in Canada on the yesterday's flight. Welcome home.


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B208 wrote:
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pelmet wrote:
One of the most expensive airports in the world apparently.

...Not a big deal for me...
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What a joke.


Apparently it is a big deal for you. And of all things that's wrong with the GTAA, this would be at the bottom of the list that should be of yours or anyones concern.


Chill out and have a drink Alky. For a dude with difficulty walking, unserviceable moving side walks are a big concern, especially when one considers how much of an improvement fee the airport charges.


First world problems as you sip on your triple-twist-dirty-skinny-latte as you hope to lazily have a device move you a short distance. If walking is a concern, there are plenty of wheelchairs to help make it easy for you.



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Travelling all over the world; never seen anything not working at Pearson.
Frankfurt is LONG walks; LHR also; as mentioned.
Try Juba, Kabul, Accra, Monrovia, Addis, etc, then get back to us!



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