Risky or cleaver?

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Risky or cleaver?

#1 Post by bushwings » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:00 am

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#2 Post by Mach1 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:34 am

Can't it be both?
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#3 Post by 5x5 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:53 am

Playing with a cleaver is always risky - no doubt about that!
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#4 Post by ahramin » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:40 pm

I'd say very clever. Weather is one of those things where the more you know, the more you can do safely.
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#5 Post by Blakey » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:49 pm

An excellent display of skill and experience operating on the edge of what can be safely done.

I might also add that it was an excellent display of airmanship and pilot decision making on the part of those pilots who decided to turn back even though Delta made it in and out. No measuring contests here; kudos to all.
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#7 Post by Donald » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:27 am

As a consideration or "what if" aspect of this mission, realize that something as relatively benign as a blown tire on landing or any other delay, would become a life-threatening situation to the crew as well as risk a $85M+ aircraft.

Good job to the dispatchers and crew though, extreme situations are when teams shine and good people excel.
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#8 Post by ARGO » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:34 am

As a consideration or "what if" aspect of this mission, realize that something as relatively benign as a blown tire on landing or any other delay, would become a life-threatening situation to the crew as well as risk a $85M+ aircraft.


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#9 Post by Blakey » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:38 am


Nope. Like this - https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20140105-1

Pressing forward with a blind disregard for safety does not make you a good or professional pilot. If you get away with it, it makes you lucky, not skilled. "Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes" doesn't work well when there really ARE torpedoes!
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#10 Post by Eric Janson » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:46 am

The 2 biggest issues with this type of weather are wind limits and visibility in heavy rain.

I've flown in the edges of several Typhoons over the years - no different than flying in regular tropical weather conditions.
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#11 Post by confusedalot » Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:25 pm

I'm good with it. Seems to me that threading that needle was done with skill and did not unduly create risk.
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Re: Risky or cleaver?

#12 Post by sanjet » Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:14 pm

Weather was actually well within limits during arrival and departure and they flew over the weather. METAR looked like a normal day in YYT. Nothing risky nor clever, all limitations were respected, pilots doing what they are paid to do...
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Re: Risky or cleaver?

#13 Post by Broker » Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:16 am

Eric Janson wrote:The 2 biggest issues with this type of weather are wind limits and visibility in heavy rain.

I've flown in the edges of several Typhoons over the years - no different than flying in regular tropical weather conditions.
Same. Every storm is different, some more favourable to flight operations than others.
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