CBC Called Out by Air Canada Social Media

[Rockie]

CBC, the public relations arm of the Liberal Party of Canada.

Ding!

I thought you guys thought the CBC was communist, which is far closer to the NDP than the Liberals. BTW, the last government to not only balance the budget but post record surpluses was Liberal. Don't look now but your ideology is showing.

[mantogasrsrwy]

Far closer to the NDP that the Liberals? If you say so little Chihuahua.

[complexintentions]

@photofly

I certainly respect the BBC far more than CBC. Your only point seems to be that both have their detractors, which they both deserve. Well spotted...?

It doesn't change the fact that if you have a problem with the journalism of the former, you should probably entirely ignore the latter.

[Rockie]

Nor does the conduct of this individual reflect the journalistic standards of the entire network.

[photofly]

@photofly

I certainly respect the BBC far more than CBC. Your only point seems to be that both have their detractors, which they both deserve. Well spotted...?

What I'm saying is that all organizations of this kind benefit from a kind of grass-is-greener bias. From afar the shiny bits stand out; you have to get up close before the warts show. People outside the UK hold up the BBC, people outside Canada hold up the CBC. (Those who have heard of the CBC, that is.)

[complexintentions]

In many years outside Canadian borders I've never met a single soul outside of Canada who was even aware of the existence of the CBC.

BBC on the other hand is an international presence, followed worldwide. I can find it on the television worldwide, in the Middle East, Asia, North America, anywhere. I don't "hold it up", its just not even comparable in the scale of audience. We're talking news here - but if you want to get into dramatic series the BBC absolute destroys the garbage on the CBC by any rational comparison.

But like it or hate it, it's not even in the same category as the Canadian national broadcaster. The fact that Brits whinge about it as much as Canadians hate on the CBC is irrelevant. That's just human nature. The colonial apple didn't fall far from the tree, I guess.

And I'd definitely say that the lack of journalistic integrity displayed by the email accidentally sent to Air Canada isn't exactly an anomaly.

It's pretty weird, a former Canadian defending the BBC to a former pom! Well hey, we both left...

[photofly]

You'll have to trust me when I say the BBC is prone to exactly the same lapses in journalistic standards at the CBC has displayed here. There are so many there's a special webpage devoted to the results of the complaints investigations:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/comp-reports/ecu/

Does the CBC have anything similar?

[complexintentions]

I highly doubt there are enough people that care about the CBC one way or another. It's just not relevant outside of Canada and barely, within.

Not sure what point you're even trying to make - that complaints automatically imply "lapses in journalistic standards"? That it's bad the BBC has a formal mechanism in place to deal with them? That you're surprised that an entity of its size and scope attracts complaints?

All of which, are total logic failures.

Or do you just want to continue to derail this thread? It IS all about you, after all!

Really, makes no difference to me what you think of poor ol' Blighty and its institutions. Evidently your opinion isn't very high or you wouldn't have left. But the discussion isn't really about the BBC. Apparently my off-hand reference triggered something in you so I'll just let it lie and leave you to the joys of Canadian tax-funded programming.

Enjoy your re-runs of Little Mosque on the Prairie.

Ta.

[photofly]

I highly doubt there are enough people that care about the CBC one way or another. It's just not relevant outside of Canada and barely, within.

Not sure what point you're even trying to make - that complaints automatically imply "lapses in journalistic standards"?

Well, when the complaints investigations conclude that there were lapses of journalistic standards, I'd say that implies there were lapses of journalistic standards. Wouldn't you?

You said the CBC wasn't fit to carry the bags of the BBC, or words that effect. Perhaps you think this is evidence of the same, and that this couldn't happen at the Beeb. Either way, I think you have an unrealistically high opinion of the BBC. Maybe you could even cut the CBC some slack? It's really not that bad, you know.

[complexintentions]

That wasn't what I said - my point is that the mere existence of complaints isn't an automatic indication of problems. People love to complain - have you not noticed? Gsus, all I did was make an offhand remark and you were off to the races to try and correct some perception that doesn't even exist.

I'm sure all news outlets suffer from their lapses in accuracy and integrity. That doesn't preclude one from considering one of better quality than another. If it'll help calm your obsession with eagerly Brit-splaining the BBC, I'll readily admit than I also consider CBC to be inferior to CNN and Al Jazeera for international news reporting.

Hopefully we can agree, that when news producers decide to deliberately promote an agenda, as in this CBC reporter, that it's not exactly quality journalism.

[photofly]

The CBC budget is about 1.5 Billion dollars annually. The BBC budget is more than 8 Billion. If the BBC has superior foreign news coverage, and the CBC isn't fit to carry the BBC's shoes, that might be why.

Gicen that they both have journalistic lapses, you could probably afford to be a bit more proud of your national broadcaster. It does well, for what you spend on it.

[Rowdy]

How does this relate to aviation again? Wheres Sulako with 'this thread has run its course' ?

[B208]

CBC, the public relations arm of the Liberal Party of Canada.

Ding!

I thought you guys thought the CBC was communist.....

...and we thought you thought CBC was unbiased and fair in their journalist endeavours. Would you care to tell us again how much you admire CBC news?

[Rockie]

I never said I admire the CBC B208, I said I like it and find their standards high notwithstanding some exceptions. Calling them left wing is inaccurate though, they are centre (for Canada) which equals communist for a rabid right winger like you.

Comparing them to the BBC makes no sense either. There are significant differences in scale, budget, and cultural necessities that preclude comparison. As well maybe if right wing governments didn't vow to eliminate the CBC every chance they got they might get a little more sympathy from CBC employees.

[Old fella]

Where to start......... I cast my first ballot in 1970 and from then on the Left CBC, the Right CBC and everything in between has always been on ongoing debate from politicos, partisans, hangers on, disgruntled journalists, you name it. The Communist CBC, The Neo Conservative CBC, Extreme Left CBC it has been all said by all ad nausea. The media has it in for the Government(of all stripes), if I had a buck for every time that was said I would retire with the same pension as the most senior AC B787 Captain.

For those into Archives, Google “ This Hour Has Seven Days” a mid 60’s CBC kinda investigative show. I barely remember it, didn’t watch it though was to young.

[B208]

I never said I admire the CBC B208, I said I like it and find their standards high notwithstanding some exceptions. Calling them left wing is inaccurate though, they are centre (for Canada) which equals communist for a rabid right winger like you.

Dude, I note that you chose not to address your previous, (and now empirically proven to be inaccurate), claims that the CBC is unbiased.

With regard to the CBC's political bias; prepare to have your mind stretched. Pretty much everyone considers themselves to be moderate centrists. Certainly, if you ask most people on the street, they would describe themselves as slightly right or slightly left of centre. Very rare is the person who describes themselves as far right or left. This, of course, does not mean that they aren't far right or left, it just means that they don't recognize it. This last point brings us back to you and the CBC. The CBC says things that line up with your world view, therefore you think that they are centrist. You are wrong. You are both out on the left. What you lack is the perspective to recognize it. I know that you like to look down on the fellas south of the border who find Fox news a viable source of news. I have sad news for you. You aren't much different. The only thing that differentiates you from them is your choice of disinformation.

Now, back to the point at hand. There has been a long running hypothesis that CBC, (and journalists in general), have agendas and lack integrity. This just strengthens the argument in favour of that position. My advice to you Rockie is to recognize a lost cause and walk away from this argument. Further attempts to defend the CBC just make you look worse.

[B208]

Where to start......... I cast my first ballot in 1970 and from then on the Left CBC, the Right CBC and everything in between has always been on ongoing debate from politicos, partisans, hangers on, disgruntled journalists, you name it. The Communist CBC, The Neo Conservative CBC, Extreme Left CBC it has been all said by all ad nausea. The media has it in for the Government(of all stripes), if I had a buck for every time that was said I would retire with the same pension as the most senior AC B787 Captain.

For those into Archives, Google “ This Hour Has Seven Days” a mid 60’s CBC kinda investigative show. I barely remember it, didn’t watch it though was to young.

All very good points. However, one key point is missing. The world is dynamic, vice static. You have made reference to a `50 year period. During the 50s-70s our society and the "establishment", (Government, education system ect....), were much further to the right than today. The subject at hand is the CBC and establishment of today both of which show a real bent towards left wing fascism. Just to save people the trouble of looking it up:

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3

That bolded bit sounds very much like what current progressives are pushing with their calls to silence "climate deniers" and "hate speech". Isn't that interesting? The so called progressives, (antifa, BLM) are acting like what they purport to hate?

[Rockie]

The CBC is as unbiased as they come. Their political panels are always balanced with people from the whole political spectrum and all have their say in a respectful manner. Contrast that with the right wing echo chambers. You don't like it because you're extreme right. Extreme left wingers don't like it for essentially the same reason.

If individual CBC employees don't fall on your side of the aisle it may be because people on your side are constantly trying to put them out of work. I wonder how you would react?

[B208]

The CBC is as unbiased as they come.

Dude, I am literally chuckling as I type this. You're dogged determination to be seen as right is so funny it's almost cute. No organization is unbiased. None.
Yes, I am farther right on the political spectrum than what is currently mainstream. The key difference between us is that I know where I am. You, on the other hand, have lost SA on your position. Let me re-cage you. You are moderate left. You live somewhere between Marx and the centre, but you are definitely not on the centre. I am moderate right. I am most certainly not in the centre.

If individual CBC employees don't fall on your side of the aisle it may be because people on your side are constantly trying to put them out of work. I wonder how you would react?

Given that, as a taxpayer, I am their employer it is perfectly within my rights to want to fire them if their performance doesn't meet my standards.
I propose that we make CBC a subscription based service as opposed to a tax payer funded organization. That way people like Rockie can stand up for their principles and fund the organization. It would be a fantastic opportunity to virtue signal. CBC would be able to write whatever they wanted. I wouldn't have to pay for them. Everybody gets something.

[Rockie]

I said as unbiased as they come, I did not say they were unbiased. Stop chuckling at your own self-percieved cleverness and learn to read carefully.

Given that, as a taxpayer, I am their employer it is perfectly within my rights to want to fire them if their performance doesn't meet my standards.

Another example of inadequate reading. Of course it's your right to want to fire them, but they do not work for you and you are not their employer. The CBC is. And yours are not the only standards that count especially since yours are driven solely by ideology. If Canadians didn't want the CBC it wouldn't exist, but it does. A conundrum for such a clear headed thinker like yourself I know.